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Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Tactical Response Directive
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Posted - 2013.04.08 13:47:00 -
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iyammarrok wrote:You know... you should probably leave the talking to Malcolm Khross and Pieter Tuulinen, they are far more capable. That is part of how your meritocracy works, right... those who are best at a task are the ones who should perform that task
While I appreciate your sentiment; Kyiokkinen-haani is no less capable of communicating her thoughts clearly than myself or Tuulinen-haan.
She is less interested in being diplomatic and possessing a silver tongue than either of us, however. ~Malcolm Khross
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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
149
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Posted - 2013.04.08 13:54:00 -
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If I may notice, there's a rather entertaining fallacy in most people's ideas about removing Intaki from the CEWPA, which is both sides being sure this will somehow benefit them;
Caldari hope that by doing this the system will come under control of Ishukone; Gallente think that by doing this they'll be able to put their reins around the Intaki people without any outside interference or consequences.
I'd advise the Intaki people to think outside of the box either of this sides are trying to force onto you and form a third solution that is beneficial to your own good. - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far...
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Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
57
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Posted - 2013.04.08 13:55:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:She is less interested...
That made me smile. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2406
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Posted - 2013.04.08 13:56:00 -
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As usual, Leo shows his complete ignorance of the situation in inimitable style. Mane 614
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Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Tactical Response Directive
909
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Posted - 2013.04.08 14:01:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote: Caldari hope that by doing this the system will come under control of Ishukone; Gallente think that by doing this they'll be able to put their reins around the Intaki people without any outside interference or consequences.
Caine,
There is only one Caldari in this thread who has even suggested that Intaki is or should be under the "control" of Ishukone. ~Malcolm Khross
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
301
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Posted - 2013.04.08 14:05:00 -
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iyammarrok wrote: I'm sure that you understand at least that much, don't you?
I understand your empty words perfectly. And you're right, it is next to impossible to get rid of a capsuleer in space. It is, however, possible to shut people up if you slap them hard enough. And this is the reason why I respect Kim-haani more than, for example, you. Because she is actually capable of - and much more importantly - willing to back up her words.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
813
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Posted - 2013.04.08 14:15:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Anja Suorsa wrote:You do yourself a (further) diservice Kim-haani. Intaki belongs to the Intaki, Ishukone merely hold development rights. The two are nothing alike. I do neither service nor diservice to myself. I serve the State. Ishukone did invest resources into Intaki development, and I have to protect assets of the State, even if Ishukone neglects them. These resources belong to our nation. If Ishukone doesn't need them, we still do, and the State could use them for military effort.
The Federation invested 200 years of resources into Caldari Prime's development.
Hypocrite. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2406
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Posted - 2013.04.08 15:02:00 -
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The funny thing is, Heth invalidated the results of the Blind Auction anyway, so under Caldari law Ishukone has no claim to the Intaki system whatsoever. However, under Federal law, Ishukone are the rightful holders of the system's shipping and security franchise alongside Mordu's Legion.
If Ms. Kim wants to defend the assets of the Ishukone corporation, she should be fighting to keep it in Federation hands. Mane 614
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
155
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Posted - 2013.04.08 15:13:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:iyammarrok wrote:You know... you should probably leave the talking to Malcolm Khross and Pieter Tuulinen, they are far more capable. That is part of how your meritocracy works, right... those who are best at a task are the ones who should perform that task While I appreciate your sentiment; Kyiokkinen- haani is no less capable of communicating her thoughts clearly than myself or Tuulinen- haan. She is less interested in being diplomatic and possessing a silver tongue than either of us, however.
True. Although apparently the thoughts she's capable of contributing to discussions here at the Summit are limited to a litany of personal insults. How very common. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
302
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Posted - 2013.04.08 15:19:00 -
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It's my duty to call people out on their shortcomings. You're also welcome. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
155
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Posted - 2013.04.08 15:55:00 -
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Believe me, I am grateful that you've proven yourself to be so petty. Do carry on. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
824
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:40:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:If I may notice, there's a rather entertaining fallacy in most people's ideas about removing Intaki from the CEWPA, which is both sides being sure this will somehow benefit them;
Caldari hope that by doing this the system will come under control of Ishukone; Gallente think that by doing this they'll be able to put their reins around the Intaki people without any outside interference or consequences.
I'd advise the Intaki people to think outside of the box either of this sides are trying to force onto you and form a third solution that is beneficial to your own good.
Fascinating that you miss the true point of this - which is that we'd prefer the Intaki people not suffer under a never-ending cycle of occupation and abandonment by BOTH governments or the crushing effects of a war that is not of their making and which they cannot ever bring a resolution to.
Put short, we'd like the bombing and the killing to stop Mr Caine. That is our agenda here. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
405
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:15:00 -
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iyammarrok wrote:Diana Kim wrote: Removing Intaki from the CEWPA is totally interesting idea, and I fully support it, but on one condition: by removing the solar system from CEWPA it should permanently change sovereignty to Caldari State.
Disregarding of current occupation, this system belongs to Ishukone.
The Intaki people are not of the State. The Intaki system is the property of the Intaki people 1. State consists of many different peoples. Anyone, who wants to join and will abide to rules, can become part of the State. 2. It never was property of Intaki people. It was property of the Federation, but now we took it, and Ishukone developed it. Ishukone wasted resources that we could have used for war with Federation instead, and the State needs dividends now.
iyammarrok wrote: If you're claiming that it should be given to the Ishukone corporation due to the recent occupation of the space surrounding it and the illegal auction of the planetary bodies in the system to State corporations, then you are also claiming, by exactly the same merit, that all of Luminaire should be controlled by the Federation.
Now how the *beep* did Luminaire end here? And I don't care about being given and occupation of Intaki. The State wasted resources on this piece of rock and needs pay out. This is business. This is interest of the State. Simply giving it away to Federals is not acceptable! This is just like throwing away gold bricks into dirt without attempt to hold it.
And please don't try to put your dirty words into my mouth. I never claimed that Luminaire should be controlled by Federation, but conterwise, so, please, just shut up, and read what I write, not what you dream of.
iyammarrok wrote: Your hypocrisy is showing again kim. Do the cluster a favour and biomass yourself.
Now where the *beep* did you see hypocrisy? Where exactly I said anything hypocritic? Can your gallentean subhuman brain analyze it? So, about biomassing yourself, no, I won't ask you to do it. But I will smile, when your home will be swept away and your body will be forcefully biomassed under height of provist boots. And have a nice jam. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
405
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:26:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Anja Suorsa wrote:You do yourself a (further) diservice Kim-haani. Intaki belongs to the Intaki, Ishukone merely hold development rights. The two are nothing alike. I do neither service nor diservice to myself. I serve the State. Ishukone did invest resources into Intaki development, and I have to protect assets of the State, even if Ishukone neglects them. These resources belong to our nation. If Ishukone doesn't need them, we still do, and the State could use them for military effort. The Federation invested 200 years of resources into Caldari Prime's development. Hypocrite. Another gallentean barking? You see hypocrisy too?
I don't care how and what gallenteans invested into our homeworld. This is not from this discussion. I have no desire to learn what petty deeds frogs have committed, because I don't follow their interests. I am fighting for interests of the State and State alone. I don't care if gallenteans have any claims to Intaki or Caldari Prime. Talk times are over.
Now we talk with guns. And we fight for what is ours. Easy like that. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
815
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:00:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Anja Suorsa wrote:You do yourself a (further) diservice Kim-haani. Intaki belongs to the Intaki, Ishukone merely hold development rights. The two are nothing alike. I do neither service nor diservice to myself. I serve the State. Ishukone did invest resources into Intaki development, and I have to protect assets of the State, even if Ishukone neglects them. These resources belong to our nation. If Ishukone doesn't need them, we still do, and the State could use them for military effort. The Federation invested 200 years of resources into Caldari Prime's development. Hypocrite. Another gallentean barking? You see hypocrisy too? I don't care how and what gallenteans invested into our homeworld. This is not from this discussion. I have no desire to learn what petty deeds frogs have committed, because I don't follow their interests. I am fighting for interests of the State and State alone. I don't care if gallenteans have any claims to Intaki or Caldari Prime. Talk times are over. Now we talk with guns. And we fight for what is ours. Easy like that.
"It's different when we do it to when you do it."
That's hypocrisy Kim. Intaki is not the State's to claim, it is the sovereign state of the Intaki people and as members of the Federation is under their protection.
You cannot use an argument in one scenario and then claim it irrelevant (when significantly stronger) elsewhere. Unfortunately for you, talk times are only beginning, your violent gung-ho and bloodshed means of conflict resolution through conflict escalation are coming to an end.
You are a relic Kim, take your time in the past and accept the future has no need for you. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
161
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Posted - 2013.04.08 22:05:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote: 2. It never was property of Intaki people. It was property of the Federation, but now we took it, and Ishukone developed it. Ishukone wasted resources that we could have used for war with Federation instead, and the State needs dividends now.
In addition to being an example of pure and total lunacy, this is utterly false several times over. First, the Federal Union does not and has never claimed its members territory as "property" of the Federation. Member States join willingly, and retain their Sovereignty unto themselves. This is the case with every Member generally, and the Intaki people, specifically.
Furthermore, you had taken in. As of now the Intaki System is under Federal Defense Union control in regard to the CEWPA. We sent you fools packing some time ago.
Your State can look for its blood money elsewhere. |
iyammarrok
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
47
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Posted - 2013.04.08 23:45:00 -
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Thankyou Rinai.
Next time you're on Intaki, pop into 'The Rethel Arms' Tell them that 'Rocks' sent you.
A bottle of Intaki Rum is on me. Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Tactical Response Directive
923
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Posted - 2013.04.09 01:50:00 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Your State can look for its blood money elsewhere.
The State isn't looking for blood money, Vero. These are the words expressed by a singular pilot.
Remember how not too long ago you were telling me not to judge your entire alliance based on the actions of a few of your pilots? ~Malcolm Khross
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
161
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Posted - 2013.04.09 05:40:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:Rinai Vero wrote:Your State can look for its blood money elsewhere. The State isn't looking for blood money, Vero. These are the words expressed by a singular pilot. Remember how not too long ago you were telling me not to judge your entire alliance based on the actions of a few of your pilots?
True enough. I'm more than willing to admit that "The State" as a whole isn't looking for blood money. That State, your State, the State my father served, is an entirely different entity to the one that lunatic hails from. Her State, the one she shares with the Templis Dragonaurs, Tibus Heth and the rest of their blood soaked ilk is one I feel no need to show any respect for. |
Hadrian Tivianne
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.04.09 05:48:00 -
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Certainly an admirable request, though the Intaki people should probably be the ones to speak for themselves.
I do wonder though if we keep declaring planets as illegal targets, what will the poor war mongers fight over? |
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
405
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Posted - 2013.04.09 11:13:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote: "It's different when we do it to when you do it."
That's hypocrisy Kim.
When I say that what we do is different than what you do, it is not hypocrisy. It is Caldari superiority. Because everything Caldari do, is better than what you do. Simply because our nation is superior to your nation.
Caellach Marellus wrote:Intaki is not the State's to claim, it is the sovereign state of the Intaki people and as members of the Federation is under their protection. I think you didn't understand, what I was proposing. I do not want to "claim" Intaki. I want to take it for use by the State. With guns or diplomacy, I do not care. Anything goes. There are interests of the State and we will be fighting for it.
Caellach Marellus wrote: You cannot use an argument in one scenario and then claim it irrelevant (when significantly stronger) elsewhere. Unfortunately for you, talk times are only beginning, your violent gung-ho and bloodshed means of conflict resolution through conflict escalation are coming to an end.
What "argument" are you talking about? Do you think I came here to argue? Do you think I am some sort of diplomat, eh? I AM A VIOLENCE INCARNATE! And people like me are sent on you when diplomacy fails.
Caellach Marellus wrote: You are a relic Kim, take your time in the past and accept the future has no need for you.
Talking about relics, New Age is coming. New Age, when everyone will accept Caldari Superiority. And if you don't, it is you who is relic, and future will have no place for you. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
405
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Posted - 2013.04.09 11:16:00 -
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Rinai Vero wrote: Your State can look for its blood money elsewhere.
You forgot one thing, sweetie. Caldari always return for their money. ALWAYS. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2427
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Posted - 2013.04.09 11:20:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:When I say that what we do is different than what you do, it is not hypocrisy. It is Caldari superiority. Because everything Caldari do, is better than what you do. Simply because our nation is superior to your nation. Then why do you keep losing?
Why is Heth pissing away every scrap of support he has in the State? Why are the Provists becoming more and more unpopular? Why is the State Protectorate losing so much of Black Rise? Why is Ishukone making more progress through diplomacy then you are through accusing everyone who doesn't agree with you of treason?
Diana Kim wrote:I think you didn't understand, what I was proposing. I do not want to "claim" Intaki. I want to take it for use by the State. With guns or diplomacy, I do not care. Anything goes. There are interests of the State and we will be fighting for it. "I think you didn't understand, what I was proposing. I do not want to "claim" Caldari Prime. I want to take it for use by the Federation. With guns or diplomacy, I do not care. Anything goes. There are interests of the Federation and we will be fighting for it."
Diana Kim wrote:What "argument" are you talking about? Do you think I came here to argue? That's pretty much all you ever come here to do, yeah.
Diana Kim wrote:I AM A VIOLENCE INCARNATE! Funny that you're always docked up when I come into local. Perhaps you're trying to bore me to death.
Diana Kim wrote:Talking about relics, New Age is coming. New Age, when everyone will accept Caldari Superiority. And if you don't, it is you who is relic, and future will have no place for you. Prick. Mane 614
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Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
97
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Posted - 2013.04.09 15:12:00 -
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Andreus, why are you arguing with her. She was created for the very reason that she lacked charisma. If she a ate a little more, and lost the constant fixation with killing, she might be more reasonable and coherent.
There is no way any rational person can look at the history of this star system and conclude other than that it is the Intaki homeworld. That historically the Intaki have been part of the Federation. To argue that somehow this system is Caldari territory even when not being controlled through military occupation by Caldari forces is delusional.
More generally, though, as it relates to Caldari Prime, the whole problem with homelands, homeworlds, homesystems, that are claimed by more than one ethnicity is that basically a neutral third party administration is the only real solution. So short of some Concord or other "neutral" body administering the governmental and regulatory functions of the planet and possibly/arguably the system, there will always be the "i'm a freedom fighter/You're a terrorist" clash of opposing forces.
Returning to the subject of the Intaki system, the paradigm of a autonomous collective or anarcho-syndicalist commune within a larger administrative system of the Federation has been the history and the understanding of the masses. Supreme executive power is derivative of a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical interstellar militaristic ceremony. And it cannot come from the repression and violence inherent in such a system. I could go on, but you appear to have switched off your vid link. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
166
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Posted - 2013.04.09 15:45:00 -
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On second thought, let's not go to Intaki. Tis a silly place.
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Natalcya Katla
Naqam Shaktipat Revelators
112
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Posted - 2013.04.09 19:03:00 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:On second thought, let's not go to Intaki. Tis a silly place. This is the most sensible thing that has been said in this entire thread. I agree completely. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
421
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Posted - 2013.04.09 19:18:00 -
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I like (being) silly. Nightmares - A short story by Ch+¬ Biko |
iyammarrok
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
49
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Posted - 2013.04.09 19:57:00 -
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Kim.
The Intaki system is, was and will always be the property of the Intaki people. While we are a member of the federation, that does not mean that the federation own our land, simply that we are a member state within a larger union. Much like the Corporate lands within the Caldari state maintain their own sovereignty while also being members of a larger whole.
The Ishukone corporation negotiated the rights to shipping and trade within the Intaki system. The infrastructure that you claim they put in place was already there, they simply move things about for a profit.
You say that you don't care about the ownership of the Intaki system, yet the entire debate between us began with you saying that the Intaki system should permanently change sovereignty to the Caldari state. Which is it? you either do want the system or you don't.
You also say that due to the time ishukone have spent in the system that the Intaki have no claim to their homeworld. so, when you ask where I see hypocrisy, I can only answer by pointing out the rhetoric you have repeated ad nauseum regarding Caldari Prime.
You are also mistaken about me being Gallentean. Intaki is my home, it's people are my kin. The Caldari have no right to claim the system.
So yes. I can, will and have analyzed your words, they have been found lacking in substance and a link to any form of reality. You should get that looked at.
As for 'provist boots' sweeping my home away, It is far more likely that the Caldari people will see you and your ilk for the warmongering psychopaths that you truly are and sweep your kind away before that happens. Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
406
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Posted - 2013.04.10 08:18:00 -
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iyammarrok wrote:Kim.
The Intaki system is, was and will always be the property of the Intaki people.
These are your words. I prefer to believe tactical maps instead. They say: "Occupation: Gallente Federation". I don't see "Intaki people". And I don't see "Intaki people" fighting for it either. If they don't fight for it, they don't need it.
iyammarrok wrote: You say that you don't care about the ownership of the Intaki system, yet the entire debate between us began with you saying that the Intaki system should permanently change sovereignty to the Caldari state. Which is it? you either do want the system or you don't.
Probably there was a misunderstanding. The State invested resources into Intaki development, and I am protecting interests of the State. Since these interests lay in Intaki system, I will fight for it.
iyammarrok wrote: You also say that due to the time ishukone have spent in the system that the Intaki have no claim to their homeworld. so, when you ask where I see hypocrisy, I can only answer by pointing out the rhetoric you have repeated ad nauseum regarding Caldari Prime.
I never said such heresy. You should work to improve your reading skills.
iyammarrok wrote: You are also mistaken about me being Gallentean. Intaki is my home, it's people are my kin. The Caldari have no right to claim the system.
Your "rights" system is wicked, deranged, invalid and void, when Caldari power comes in. We don't claim your systems with so called "rights". We claim them with guns.
iyammarrok wrote: So yes. I can, will and have analyzed your words, they have been found lacking in substance and a link to any form of reality. You should get that looked at.
About "lacking reality" and claiming i said that "due to the time ishukone have spent in the system that the Intaki have no claim to their homeworld" you should really check your current clone for hallucinations. This brain malfunction is very annoying and makes it impossible for proper conversation. Maybe you also see "Intaki People's Federation" flying and capturing systems? |
Mammal Tafren
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
62
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:17:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote: These are your words. I prefer to believe tactical maps instead. They say: "Occupation: Gallente Federation". I don't see "Intaki people". And I don't see "Intaki people" fighting for it either. If they don't fight for it, they don't need it.
Diana,
My advice to you is that you should generally avoid speaking of things of which you have no idea. It makes you sound ignorant.
You and calamulav like you have a great deal to learn |
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