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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13511
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Posted - 2013.04.08 15:10:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:So the corp bans the new members from using the forums, going on the official wiki, going on other eve wikis, using the rookie channel, using the help channel, using google, doing the tutorial, doing the career missions, and ever leaving the corp. No, but why would they do any of that? All they apparently need to know is provided by the helpful corp membersGǪ
GǪtoo bad that the corp members are wrong.
If an educated adult already has the answer to his question, why would he waste time finding the answer to his question?
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
140
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Posted - 2013.04.08 15:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:So the corp bans the new members from using the forums, going on the official wiki, going on other eve wikis, using the rookie channel, using the help channel, using google, doing the tutorial, doing the career missions, and ever leaving the corp. No, but why would they do any of that? All they apparently need to know is provided by the helpful corp membersGǪ GǪtoo bad that the corp members are wrong. If an educated adult already has the answer to his question, why would he waste time finding the answer to his question?
Which goes back to my point that if they ignore all other resources (including the evelopedia manual they get directed to in tutorial) and trust the first corp they come across...they are a sheeple with a gullible mindset probably going to ragequit sooner or later anyway, probably after trusting someone who was giving away their stuff for 1 tritanium. |
March rabbit
No Name No Pain
614
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Posted - 2013.04.08 15:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:So the corp bans the new members from using the forums, going on the official wiki, going on other eve wikis, using the rookie channel, using the help channel, using google, doing the tutorial, doing the career missions, and ever leaving the corp. No, but why would they do any of that? All they apparently need to know is provided by the helpful corp membersGǪ GǪtoo bad that the corp members are wrong. If an educated adult already has the answer to his question, why would he waste time finding the answer to his question? this is only true for little children (who depends of parents).
any amateur (and Eve Online players are mostly amateur arent' they?) person should look around. This is what life teaches you to do. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13511
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Posted - 2013.04.08 15:19:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:any amateur (and Eve Online players are mostly amateur arent' they?) person should look around. They should. Many don't, and the forums are full of evidence of it.
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
522
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Posted - 2013.04.08 15:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪtoo bad that the corp members are wrong. What exactly is it that you are contending as "wrong"?
And I am curious as to why you are calling for CCP to ban these players, considering they may be speaking from their own experiences in other areas of the game. You're calling for them to be BANNED; simply because they're propagating what YOU think is wrong information (ie, doesn't jive with your definition).
Would you have the same zealous and over-protective attitude towards a new player complaining he was lied to joining goonswarm and scammed or lured into a gatecamp? What if it was a ganker telling a new player that lo sec is actually safe? Would you demand these players be banned as well?
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Shao Huang
University of Caille Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.04.08 15:44:00 -
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I am the part of the 'they' referred to in this thread, i.e. a rookie, noob, etc. I have no idea what this thread is actually about. What it pretends to be about is concern for new players and player retention or something. I do not pretend to have any view on most of the assertions flying around in the thread.
What it sounds like is the OP lacks a recruiting strategy. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13511
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Posted - 2013.04.08 15:46:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:What exactly is it that you are contending as "wrong"? Common items on the list are: -+ Anything to do with aggression flagging. -+ Anything to do with low and nullsec. -+ Basic rules about what you can and cannot do. -+ Basic game design decisions concerning problems players are supposed to face.
And here's the thing: even very old carebear players are wrong about these things. There are half-decade old frequent posters on these forums (who obviously know of and have access to all these information sources) who still don't know what griefing is; what highsec is for; how aggression works. The whole GÇ£oh they're adults, they'll figure it outGÇ¥ is proven wrong on a daily basis.
Quote:And I am curious as to why you are calling for CCP to ban these players, considering they may be speaking from their own experiences in other areas of the game. The things I'm talking about are not a matter of experience, and they're speaking from nothing but elitism or (at best) assumptions based on others telling them the same some time in the past.
And yes, I think it's tantamount to griefing (a ban-worthy offence) to actively try to make new players not play the game and instead wait for some completely arbitrary and irrelevant condition to be fulfilled in the remote future.
Quote:Would you have the same zealous and over-protective attitude towards a new player complaining he was lied to joining goonswarm and scammed or lured into a gatecamp? What if it was a ganker telling a new player that lo sec is actually safe? Would you demand these players be banned as well? Don't tell me you can't tell the difference between tricking someone into an in-game trap and making the actual player have a completely incorrect picture of how the game works.
If I bluff you into believing I have a full house in poker, and you fold your three of a kind that would have beaten my pair of 2s, then that's radically different from me telling you that my pair of two is actually a stronger hand than your three of a kind. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1589
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Posted - 2013.04.08 15:52:00 -
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Tippia wrote:
If I bluff you into believing I have a full house in poker, and you fold your three of a kind that would have beaten my pair of 2s, then that's radically different from me telling you that my pair of two is actually a stronger hand than your three of a kind.
And her'e Tippia yet again thinking that people who concoct ridicules arguments in the 1st place are capable enough of abstract thinking to actually get that example......
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Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
141
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Posted - 2013.04.08 15:58:00 -
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Tippia wrote:And yes, I think it's tantamount to griefing (a ban-worthy offence) to actively try to make new players not play the game and instead wait for some completely arbitrary and irrelevant condition to be fulfilled in the remote future.
If I bluff you into believing I have a full house in poker, and you fold your three of a kind that would have beaten my pair of 2s, then that's radically different from me telling you that my pair of two is actually a stronger hand than your three of a kind.
Hyperbole.
Telling people that "low sec is dangerous" and "don't pvp until you have 5 million SP" are opinions. You can't ban people for giving opinions.
And try telling a poker site to refund your money because you were mised by a friend who tutored you in poker, see what they say. They are going to say "well there's a page on our site with the rules, why didn't you read that before entering a table?" and you are going to say....? |
baltec1
Bat Country
5858
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Posted - 2013.04.08 15:59:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Tippia wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:So the corp bans the new members from using the forums, going on the official wiki, going on other eve wikis, using the rookie channel, using the help channel, using google, doing the tutorial, doing the career missions, and ever leaving the corp. No, but why would they do any of that? All they apparently need to know is provided by the helpful corp membersGǪ GǪtoo bad that the corp members are wrong. If an educated adult already has the answer to his question, why would he waste time finding the answer to his question? this is only true for little children (who depends of parents). any amateur (and Eve Online players are mostly amateur arent' they?) person should look around. This is what life teaches you to do.
Yet after14 months of very public barge ganking most miners still dont fit any tank.
People dont look for info in games these days, they simply follow the leader. |
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March rabbit
No Name No Pain
614
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:08:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Yet after14 months of very public barge ganking most miners still dont fit any tank. and i still have to see thread of "miners tears" at least as large as gankers tears about barge buffing....
baltec1 wrote:People dont look for info in games these days, they simply follow the leader. exactly. Leader said: we hate miners! Ally-members: woof! woof! woof! And forums get filled by hate. |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
558
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:12:00 -
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Shao Huang wrote:I am the part of the 'they' referred to in this thread, i.e. a rookie, noob, etc. I have no idea what this thread is actually about. What it pretends to be about is concern for new players and player retention or something. I do not pretend to have any view on most of the assertions flying around in the thread.
What it sounds like is the OP lacks a recruiting strategy.
You are seeing a glimpse of a much deeper argument that has raged between those that think EVE should only be about the hostile exchange of ammo in space and those that think there is room for many play styles in EVE.
Let's use highly simplified definitions for this post. PvPer = someone that thinks the game should be all about swapping ammo in a violent way. Carebear = person that wants to avoid this hostile exchange of ammo. These are not 100% accurate descriptions, but it will make this post shorter than "War and Peace".
The PvPers rage at the large number of players that live in high sec, that won't fight when they get war dec'ed, that are angry that CCP has made suicide ganking less profitable, and generally made it easier for those wishing to avoid BOOM, to avoid most BOOM. CCP's own numbers say that in any given month, less than 20% of accounts will lose a ship to boom, and less than 4% of toons will show up on a kill mail as a killer.
The PvPers think, "Oh, this game would be so much better, if it were easier to make those carebear's ships go boom." They come up with all these suggestions to make it easir to BOOM carebear ships. Let's remove local. Let's remove NPC corps. Let's remove some of the bight from CONCORD. Let's rollback the tank buffs given to exhumers. On and on.
The easy counter to all these "ideas" is simply to point out that the players that want to avoid PvP, play this game, because it is possible to avoid PvP. Remove the things that allow them to avoide PvP, and they will simply stop playing.
This is clearly demonstrated by players like me, that would rether lose 1 billion ISK in opportunity cost by not undocking duiring a war, rather than undock in war, earn half a billion ISK mining in barges, then lose 100 million in ISK when barges go BOOM. For me, it is not just about the lost revenue. It is more about avoiding showing up on someone's kill board as a kill.
This, risk averse play style, enfurates those that play the game to pad their kill board stats with lots of easy kills. Not my problem.
Either let me mostly avoid BOOM, or I simply won't play the game. I don't play the game, and hundreds of thousands of other like me do the same, well, CCP is toast as a viable company....
The PvPers are mad that we always win the argument, with a simple "We'll all quit". Or, put another way. You can't make me play, so you can't make me play in a way that makes it easy for you to make my ship go boom.
The OP of this thread is a failed attempt to counter that argument. His assertion is that more players are driven away by carebears teaching new players to play in a boring style (avoid PvP) then would be driven away by getting rid of the carebears. |
Moth Eisig
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:14:00 -
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Good grief.
If a person is dumb enough that he or she A) can't figure out what options the game offers on their own, B) wants to PvP and joins a random hi-sec corp instead of FW or RvB or EveUni or going to low/null without doing research , and C) doesn't get PvP in that corp and decides it's the game's fault and quits instead of considering looking around for another corp or place to find fights, then I daresay that person is probably not cut out for EVE any more than the person that jumps into PvP with low SP and gets killed a lot and quits.
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Bellanea Rajanir
Poseidaon
6
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:14:00 -
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Quote:Yes, if you don't pvp your a carebear.
This game don't have "pvp off" option. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13511
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:15:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:You are seeing a glimpse of a much deeper argument that has raged between those that think EVE should only be about the hostile exchange of ammo in space and those that think there is room for many play styles in EVE. So you're saying that the OP is arguing against no-one? After all, he belongs to the latter category and there is no-one who actually belongs to the former.
The rest of your post has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
84
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:26:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Yet after14 months of very public barge ganking most miners still dont fit any tank.
People dont look for info in games these days, they simply follow the leader.
well, that's a horrible generalisation. tank versus yield is entirely situational, just as tank versus DPS is in missions. freelance space bum |
Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
142
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Congratulations, you've just illustrated the OP's point. Teaching players the wrong thing means they'll get burned when the gaming authorities tells them that, no, all they've learned is wrong.
I never denied this. Find a post where I denied it happened, you won't. My only point was that the person is at fault not the corporation, because he has so much more information and was too gullible and/or lazy too research for himself. Eve punishes the gullible and lazy.
Quote:Nope. I'm describing corps who, for better or worse, perpetuate myths about the game because they have never actually experienced large parts of it and only spread on what they once heardGǪ which was never true to begin with. The damage to the newbies is the same, no matter what.
It's still only giving opinions, you can't ban them for that. It's the difference between say, a Dominican nun and a cable televangelist. They are both peddling BS but only the televangelist is griefing. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
522
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:31:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Common items on the list are: -+ Anything to do with aggression flagging. -+ Anything to do with low and nullsec. -+ Basic rules about what you can and cannot do. -+ Basic game design decisions concerning problems players are supposed to face. - Misunderstanding aggression flagging isn't something that only hi sec carebear corps do. And this also does not constitute grief play. - Your opinions on lo and null sec are highly subjective. If a corp member speaks of lo/null sec in a negative light because of the experience he's faced there himself that is something that he is entitled to, even if yfou don't like it and regard it as "grief". - What exactly is it they are being told they can and cannot do? Are these corp policies (ie only mine and mission)? If that is the case, you are welcome to leave. If they are forcing you to stay, then feel free to file a petition. If a carebear joins a pirate corp and is "forced" to PVP miners, will you feel the same level of compassion as a player being "forced" to mine and mission in a different corp? I didn't think so. Otherwise, I'm curious as to what is it they are being told (i.e., "you can absolutely not enter lo sec as it is game-mechanically impossible"). - You don't get to dictate what decisions players make in a game where a player's decisions are entrusted to the player. You are certainly welcome to form your own ideas and decisions and even share them with other players. But the decision is ultimately the individual's to call. Again, corp members are certainly welcome to persuade you. There's nothing "bannable" about this.
Quote:The things I'm talking about are not a matter of experience, and they're speaking from nothing but elitism or (at best) assumptions based on others telling them the same some time in the past. Really? Do you have anything to back this claim up? If a corp member warns another corp member about lo sec being dangerous, as he himself as been blown up many times, which of your two assumptions does this fall under, "elitism" or "because someone told me that's how it is"?
Quote:And yes, I think it's tantamount to griefing (a ban-worthy offence) to actively try to make new players not play the game and instead wait for some completely arbitrary and irrelevant condition to be fulfilled in the remote future. I underscored the key words. You certainly have a right to your opinion. But that is all it is.
Quote:Don't tell me you can't tell the difference between tricking someone into an in-game trap and making the actual player have a completely incorrect picture of how the game works.
If I bluff you into believing I have a full house in poker, and you fold your three of a kind that would have beaten my pair of 2s, then that's radically different from me telling you that my pair of two is actually a stronger hand than your three of a kind.
Pirate lies to an unsuspecting victim by telling him there is no gatecamp on the other side of the gate.
Carebear lies to a passerby by telling him there is always a gatecamp on the other side of the gate.
I'll agree that the intent may be different. But the outcome is still the same. Either both are "ban-worthy offences" or none.
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baltec1
Bat Country
5858
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:31:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:baltec1 wrote:Yet after14 months of very public barge ganking most miners still dont fit any tank. and i still have to see thread of "miners tears" at least as large as gankers tears about barge buffing.... baltec1 wrote:People dont look for info in games these days, they simply follow the leader. exactly. Leader said: we hate miners! Ally-members: woof! woof! woof! And forums get filled by hate.
There has been not tears shed by gankers on the barge buff. We are still able to gank miners for profit.
What you saw is calls for barge imbalances to be fixed.
As for the second part, we dont hate miners. We love them because they are so bad st this game and we make so much isk blowing them up. |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations Shockwave Sovereign Industries
61
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:32:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Onomerous wrote:2/10
Posting in a stealth "nerf hi-sec" thread. This has nothing to do with highsec.
from OP:
I find that often times when new players look for corporations they get sucked into a high sec corporation run by carebears. |
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Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
264
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:34:00 -
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Hrm... The OP is crying like a baby on the forums when in fact they need a good dose of HTFU and go spend some time actually recruiting newbs in to PVP corps.
Oh wait what? You mean the OP doesn't have PVP corp that recruits newbies with complimentary PVP training?
Oh I see. I suppose nothing will ever come of this threadnaught except more tears on how the bad carebears touched them without ever spending more time to actually... You know... Go out and recruit newbies themselves.
That would be too much effort. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight -affliction-
86
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:38:00 -
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Commander Ted wrote:I find that often times when new players look for corporations they get sucked into a high sec corporation run by carebears. I had multiple internet friends try Eve and go join their other internet friends doing missions, I try to convince them that they are not experiencing what the game really has to offer, they ignore me, and quit the game saying its ****.
Carebears are killing Eve by sucking up players and protecting them.....
Everyone should join us on combatting this scourge, wardec a carebear corp today!
http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca |
Polaris Sagan
Sagan Enterprises
10
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:40:00 -
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Commander Ted wrote:Polaris Sagan wrote:So what you're saying is everyone who lives in hisec and preferes not to pvp is a carebear?
There's more to EVE than just shooting players. Not to mention that without 'carebears' the market price would be high, minerals up etc and no ships to buy when someone blows yours up.
For the record, I mine and manufacture. But I'm not afraid on jumping into a cheap frig to pvp with people should the situation arise... Yes, if you don't pvp your a carebear. If you don't want to pvp your risk averse, so your a carebear. Your arguments against my post show your ignorance of the point I was trying to make and have nothing to do with what im arguing for. I don't care if you keep being boring, just don't teach new players thats how you play when the AWESUM!11!!!!1 trailers show quite the opposite.
There is no pvp off button so your argument is invalid...
As for "i dont care if you keep being boring just dont teach new players"...whats boring to you might not be boring to others...so whose showing their ignorance now? |
Zenos Ebeth
People Who Don't Like People
73
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:47:00 -
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It is well kwown that carebears : -Are the reason for starvation , war and unhappiness in the world -give cancer -Support ***** -Don't have a soul -Hate Jesus -Scare away new players |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front New Creation Collective
256
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:48:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Commander Ted wrote:I find that often times when new players look for corporations they get sucked into a high sec corporation run by carebears. I had multiple internet friends try Eve and go join their other internet friends doing missions, I try to convince them that they are not experiencing what the game really has to offer, they ignore me, and quit the game saying its ****.
Carebears are killing Eve by sucking up players and protecting them..... Everyone should join us on combatting this scourge, wardec a carebear corp today!
This is the right attitude. The good news in this situation is that we still have some tools left to combat it. When you identify one of these dangerous carebear corps, you should do a service to the community and destroy it. CCP has given us wardecs, AWOXing, and suicide ganking to help us deal with these people. Do it well and you may even get them to ragequit. Join the Revolutionary Front and liberate New Eden from it's stuff.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4062
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:50:00 -
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This entire thread has demonstrated exactly why only a small portion of EVE Players even bother to read the Forums anymore.
Just mostly pure drivel. None of it can be taken seriously. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13512
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:51:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:It's still only giving opinions, you can't ban them for that. GǪand I never said you should. You're confusing two completely different issues.
One is the ignoramus corps, which are unable to teach new players about the game because they are themselves too unfamiliar with it. The other is people who preach the GÇ£don't do X until you have YGÇ¥ and GÇ£all to VGÇ¥ mantras. The latter group is the one that need to have a sock implanted in their tranchea.
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:- Misunderstanding aggression flagging isn't something that only hi sec carebear corps do. And this also does not constitute grief play. - Your opinions on lo and null sec are highly subjective. If a corp member speaks of lo/null sec in a negative light because of the experience he's faced there himself that is something that he is entitled to, even if yfou don't like it and regard it as "grief". - What exactly is it they are being told they can and cannot do? Are these corp policies (ie only mine and mission)? If that is the case, you are welcome to leave. If they are forcing you to stay, then feel free to file a petition. If a carebear joins a pirate corp and is "forced" to PVP miners, will you feel the same level of compassion as a player being "forced" to mine and mission in a different corp? I didn't think so. Otherwise, I'm curious as to what is it they are being told (i.e., "you can absolutely not enter lo sec as it is game-mechanically impossible"). - You don't get to dictate what decisions players make in a game where a player's decisions are entrusted to the player. You are certainly welcome to form your own ideas and decisions and even share them with other players. But the decision is ultimately the individual's to call. Again, corp members are certainly welcome to persuade you. There's nothing "bannable" about this. The same goes for you. I never said any of that is grief play GÇö I said that those are items that carbear corps habitually fail to teach their members properly. And no, again, it's not a matter of opinion but of facts and mechanics, and about GÇ£truthsGÇ¥ that have been proven false over and over again throughout the history of the game, e.g. that low is permacamped, or that there is no place for the little guy or the newbie in null.
As for what you can and cannot do, again, I'm talking about mechanics. Things like outlaws being allowed in highsec; such as suicide ganking; such as salvaging; such as probing mission runners.
I have no idea where you get the idea that I'm dictating anything. If anything, it's what these corps do (see the example provided earlier in the thread). That last point is about design decisions such as highsec being a PvP zone; that it's your task to chase outlaws; that it's up to players to protect themselves, not the game; that you don't inherently own anything beyond what you can actually keep to yourself. All of these are points that carebear players have a tendency to completely have misunderstood, and I've seen many cases where these misapprehensions are being taught though corp chats.
Quote:Really? Do you have anything to back this claim up? Yes. See my newbie skill plan, which shows that you can get a workable PvP skill set in a matter of weeks, not years. See the myth about the permacamped/insta-death lowsec, which is as solid as a wire-mesh sieve and just as full of pirates as the sieve is of water.
Quote:I'll agree that the intent may be different. But the outcome is still the same. Either both are "ban-worthy offences" or none. Bluffing is not the same thing as lying about how the game works, no. One is a legitimate gameplay move; the other is cheating. Neither the intent nor the outcome is the same. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
522
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:51:00 -
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Zenos Ebeth wrote:It is well kwown that carebears : -Are the reason for starvation , war and unhappiness in the world -give cancer -Support ***** -Don't have a soul -Hate Jesus -Scare away new players And have caused global warming. Don't forget global warming. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
142
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:58:00 -
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Tippia wrote: One is the ignoramus corps, which are unable to teach new players about the game because they are themselves too unfamiliar with it. The other is people who preach the GÇ£don't do X until you have YGÇ¥ and GÇ£all to VGÇ¥ mantras. The latter group is the one that need to have a sock implanted in their tranchea.
I'm not confusing them, these aren't two different issues. They aren't mutually exclusive. Those opinions can come out of ignorance.
There's 1000 posts in sci and ind forum saying "don't manufacture until PE is at V", are they all griefers that should be banned, or are they giving that advice out of goodwill?
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Esteban Dragonovic
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:00:00 -
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While I happen to agree with op, his suggestion doesn't actually target the core of the problem and that would be eve's terrible tutorial. For as much as ccp likes to try and present the game as a sandbox, their tutorial does a terrible job at showing the possibilities that lie within. Granted its better than it was before, all the current tutorial still does is essentaily dispay the mechanics of the game within highsec and then plops you off doing missions or mining IN highsec. Needless to say this hardley does justice to the rest of the game and its no wonder why highsec corps are able to suck up new players, its all they know! Ccp needs to actually properly retool the tutorial to show the full depth and environment of player interaction in the game. At least take them for a tour around lowsec so they can taste some diversity in the eve lifestlye. Otherwise new players are going to be stuck with the impression that eve is simpley another themepark to forever do quests in. |
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