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von Torgo
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Posted - 2005.09.13 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow Edited by: Eyeshadow on 13/09/2005 07:44:45 Actually the DPS of an ishtar's drones is a fair bit lower than a gank HAC. 15 beserkers dont even hit 300 DPS. Its only with 15 tech2 ogres that it hits 400 DPS. Your average zealot or deimos will easily hit that figure
Of course, the ishtar has a lot more going for it than damage
No. Zealot doesn't easily hit that figure. It has to use best t2 guns and be fitted all the way for ganking. This leaves absolutely no room for tanking, while Ishtar can use it's slots for anything they will.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.09.13 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: von Torgo
Originally by: Eyeshadow Edited by: Eyeshadow on 13/09/2005 07:44:45 Actually the DPS of an ishtar's drones is a fair bit lower than a gank HAC. 15 beserkers dont even hit 300 DPS. Its only with 15 tech2 ogres that it hits 400 DPS. Your average zealot or deimos will easily hit that figure
Of course, the ishtar has a lot more going for it than damage
No. Zealot doesn't easily hit that figure. It has to use best t2 guns and be fitted all the way for ganking. This leaves absolutely no room for tanking, while Ishtar can use it's slots for anything they will.
you get 300 DPS out of a zealot with a MWD, medium nos, quad light beams and a 1600 plate. With heavy pulse, 4 dmg mods and medium rep you get way over 400. Dont try and tell me the zealot doesnt do enough damage.
The ishtar only just hits 400 DPS, all thermal i may add (most tanked dmg in game) with tech2 drones that cost ~2mil each and take a long time to train for. Dont try and tell me that its easy to do so much damage and oh so hard for a zealot
I know the ishtar is a damn good ship, its why i fly it. It owns in 1on1 HAC and also in most other situations but please dont try and make out its some uber DPS machine cos it aint. It makes up for it in other departments
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.13 08:57:00 -
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err Zealots can do like 400-600 DPS no? ------
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2005.09.13 09:04:00 -
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LoL at some of the total nonsense spouted on this thread.
The Ishtar is extremely difficult to counter 1v1, especially if its in the hands of an experienced pilot.
If its setup includes named reps and named nos (corpum 19k) then i would say 1v1, its unbeatable.
I believe a unnamed ;) KIA pilot has this setup:
3 Corpum Nos (19km range) Small Neut Blasters (for drone destruction)
2 x Faction Scramblers (i beleive 1x2 point and 1x1 point) 15k web Cap recharge
Hardeners dual corpum reps
Tech 2 drones
I believe he is yet unbeatenin a 1v1, with ease, and has had quite a bit of success vs Battleships 1v1.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.09.13 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ LoL at some of the total nonsense spouted on this thread.
The Ishtar is extremely difficult to counter 1v1, especially if its in the hands of an experienced pilot.
If its setup includes named reps and named nos (corpum 19k) then i would say 1v1, its unbeatable.
I believe a unnamed ;) KIA pilot has this setup:
3 Corpum Nos (19km range) Small Neut Blasters (for drone destruction)
2 x Faction Scramblers (i beleive 1x2 point and 1x1 point) 15k web Cap recharge
Hardeners dual corpum reps
Tech 2 drones
I believe he is yet unbeatenin a 1v1, with ease, and has had quite a bit of success vs Battleships 1v1.
wow thats one over the top setup for an ishtar.
TBH, sticking a 1600 plate, tracking disruptor + multispec in mids with web + scramble and 2 nos in the highs and theres nothing thats gonna beat it short of a smart bombing battleship with NOS.
Ive never had a 1on1 with another HAC in mine except a close range vaga and he didnt even get through my shields. Ive also killed quite a few BS solo in my ishtar. It is by far the best solo ship in the game imo. Id rather have a zealot or a deimos if we are in a group cos of the higher and instant DPS, but on my own, its the ishtar always
Overpowered? Im not sure tbh. Its certainly not a DPS machine. It does spank most things in a 1on1 situation but i think its a perfectly acceptable compromise. Your damage can be taken away or left behind and i feel thats a sufficient trade off for its flexibility
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.13 09:32:00 -
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can an ishtar punch through a dual rep apoc? ;/ ------
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.09.13 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor can an ishtar punch through a dual rep apoc? ;/
with 15 beserkers yeah, with ogres/wasps/praetors, im not sure
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.13 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Originally by: Jim Raynor can an ishtar punch through a dual rep apoc? ;/
with 15 beserkers yeah, with ogres/wasps/praetors, im not sure
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shakaZ XIV
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Posted - 2005.09.13 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor can an ishtar punch through a dual rep apoc? ;/
not with nos setup, but it can easily with 3x med (electron) blaster as thats another ~150 dps + the ~250 from drones
i had a 10 minute long fight with an apoc a while back in my ishtar, 3x med diminishing nos + 2x small pulselaser II fitted + 14 berzerkers... wasn't enough to break the tank.
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Trefnis
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Posted - 2005.09.13 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Jim Raynor tracking disruptors do very little to autocannons.. at least not the dual 180mm ones.
believe me thy do, vaga couldnt hit me at all when I disrupted him
ok, I was in frig, but anyway
that's odd last time i used two on a muninn he mwd humped me and hit me just fine.
muninn has tracking bonus on its own, I can kill frig with 425 ac with one tracking disruptor on me, but only if I web it. Not sure about ceptor as of its small sig.
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.09.13 13:21:00 -
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Which reminds me, Eye, I have to get you on SiSi to try out that munin set-up i was working on! See how long it lasts before you blow it to smithereens.
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HankMurphy
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Posted - 2005.09.13 13:51:00 -
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Hmmm... Its a given the drones are basterds. But it seems the icing on the cake is the NOS and EW. How does this sound? A stabber at approx 13-14k, one SB, one MWD, and all the cap and track mods you can fit after that? (650 IIs i'm thinkin, would rather 425s for obviouse reasons, not sure if i could stay at optimal and still be outside NOS, too lazy to check object explorer :P ). As before, comments, suggestions and critisism plz!
Thanks All!!
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.09.13 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: darth solo on 13/09/2005 14:20:46 my other char uses a ishtar and having 15 heavy drones/hac lvl 5 is just crazy...
The beauty of the ishtar though is in the variations of setups... its 5 lows 5 meds make it good at EVERYTHING...
fighting an ishtar u will never really know what u shall be up against. thats its biggest advantage.
d solo.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.09.13 14:28:00 -
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Its a damn good ship, must admit I nicked Eyeshadow's loadout because I was a bit of a HAC noob and it works a treat. Had absolutely no problems against Tempests, Apocs, Megathrons and the like. The drawback is of course large nos and smartbombs from battleships or HAC's that fight at longish range 15-20 and keep a scramble. Without the Ishtar getting to nos range itself I think the tank dies eventually against a decent bombardment (of course the bombarder needs to survive 15 berserker II's [8) to do it)
The other way I'd kill one is to use dampers and light drones to confuse the Ishtar's drone loadout. (the ishtar heavies will waste shots responding to aggression from stupidly fast light drones) - but obviously you need a ship with both responable mids + room for 10 light drones to do it.
All round though it is an excellent HAC and I'm very glad I bought one.
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HankMurphy
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Posted - 2005.09.13 18:48:00 -
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And the verdict is unanomous, the Ishtar is unbeatable in 1v1 pvp....?!?! I am pretty suprised. I figured SOMEONE would post something along the lines of "Try this, I take em down *this* way all the time." I havent even heard someone try to lie about taking one down (incredibly rare for the forums!)
Sounds like the Ishtar is gonna get a one way trip to Nerf City after a couple/few months.
Till then, I'll be honing my skills in anxious anticipation, looking for the perfect anti-Ishtar HAC setup
( <---- HankMurphy after killing his first Ishtar solo) ( <----- Sauron flyin around in his pod thinkin "wtfjusthappened?")
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.09.13 18:55:00 -
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ecm
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Stormfront on 13/09/2005 19:37:00 3 med nos 2 quad light beam IIs 1 MEd kinetic smarti (named)
ab, web, scram, cap recharge/tracking dis (for regular setups)
2 emd rep IIs therm hardner 2 cap relay
OR
1 med repII therm energized adaptive II 800 plate cap relay
1 med smarti kills tech I drones before they can break ur tank. However if an Ishtar has ew.. u will be out of cap (though after having killed the drones).
EDIT : Its a sacrilege setup
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Denrace
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: Denrace on 13/09/2005 19:42:50 Edited by: Denrace on 13/09/2005 19:40:56 by benwallace: ""uhm yes 14-15 heavy drones (maybe even t2) is not tankable in hac they *****with dps and some ishtar pilot go all ns in high meaning you will not be able to out suck it on a normal everyday setup hac it is the ultimate hac""
yeah right... ive done it. its possible. i. have. done. it.
sheesh...get a clue benwallace. clearly you never have flown a sacrilege with a tank. its cap is too good, and its nossing the ishtar too..so nosses are effectively balanced out between the ships.
even if the sacri cant kill the ishtar, the ishtar damn well cannot even remotely come to CLOSE to breaking the tank of a sacrilege. no HAC can break a sacrileges tank. NONE. it has been thoroughly tested. with nos, with plates with everything. only ships that can break sacris tank are heavy nos BS's, a tempest/machariel with 1400 II's at 90km and a blasterthron with heavy drones.
Of course, a blasterthron wont kill a sacrilege if the sac can keep at 15km from it. drones or not.
sacri tanks 15 heavy drones (any type) without breaking so much as a sweat.
dont bother commenting on the fact that "so what if your sac cant kill me?" because i was merely correcting your mistake of thinking your drones will even scratch my sacrilege
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:43:00 -
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Quote: by benwallace: ""uhm yes 14-15 heavy drones (maybe even t2) is not tankable in hac they *****with dps and some ishtar pilot go all ns in high meaning you will not be able to out suck it on a normal everyday setup hac it is the ultimate hac""
yeah right... ive done it. its possible. i. have. done. it.
sheesh...get a clue benwallace. clearly you never have flown a sacrilege with a tank. its cap is too good, and its nossing the ishtar too..so nosses are effectively balanced out between the ships.
maybe even if the sacri cant kill the sihtar, the ishtar damn well cannot even remotely come to CLOSE to breaking the tank of a sacrilege. no HAC can break a sacrileges tank. NONE. it has been thoroughly tested. with nos, with plates with everything. only ships that can break sacris tank are heavy nos BS's, a tempest/machariel with 1400 II's at 90km and a blasterthron with heavy drones.
Of course, a blasterthron wont kill a sacrilege if the sac can keep at 15km from it. drones or not.
sacri tanks 15 heavy drones (any type) without breaking so much as a sweat.
FALSE
Sacri cannot tank 15 heavy drones. You need TWO MEd reps to do that. Or you need a plate and 1 med rep and even then your tank will slowly but SURELY drop.
You will rely on having as many NOS (3 minimum) against an Ishtar to break even on cap. AND HERE IS WHERE THE EW on the IShtar will kill ya. I'm sure your setup against that Eyeshadow speaks off will end in you dying with no cap to run your reps.
I fly both ships.. ITS TESTED I KNOW IT.
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Denrace
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: Denrace on 13/09/2005 19:46:37
Originally by: Stormfront
Quote: by benwallace: ""uhm yes 14-15 heavy drones (maybe even t2) is not tankable in hac they *****with dps and some ishtar pilot go all ns in high meaning you will not be able to out suck it on a normal everyday setup hac it is the ultimate hac""
yeah right... ive done it. its possible. i. have. done. it.
sheesh...get a clue benwallace. clearly you never have flown a sacrilege with a tank. its cap is too good, and its nossing the ishtar too..so nosses are effectively balanced out between the ships.
maybe even if the sacri cant kill the sihtar, the ishtar damn well cannot even remotely come to CLOSE to breaking the tank of a sacrilege. no HAC can break a sacrileges tank. NONE. it has been thoroughly tested. with nos, with plates with everything. only ships that can break sacris tank are heavy nos BS's, a tempest/machariel with 1400 II's at 90km and a blasterthron with heavy drones.
Of course, a blasterthron wont kill a sacrilege if the sac can keep at 15km from it. drones or not.
sacri tanks 15 heavy drones (any type) without breaking so much as a sweat.
FALSE
Sacri cannot tank 15 heavy drones. You need TWO MEd reps to do that. Or you need a plate and 1 med rep and even then your tank will slowly but SURELY drop.
You will rely on having as many NOS (3 minimum) against an Ishtar to break even on cap. AND HERE IS WHERE THE EW on the IShtar will kill ya. I'm sure your setup against that Eyeshadow speaks off will end in you dying with no cap to run your reps.
I fly both ships.. ITS TESTED I KNOW IT.
er..nope
15 drones is tankable
1600mm plate, 2x corpum A-type reps (or med II) 2x thermal hardeners
and some med battery II's
its been done. you arent worthy to FLY a sacrilege if you cant tank 15 heavy drones
on a another note: what EW setups do Ishtar pilots here use?
im interested in knowing what you put in those 5 mids
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:52:00 -
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Quote: er..nope
15 drones is tankable
1600mm plate, 2x corpum A-type reps (or med II) 2x thermal hardeners
and some med battery II's
its been done. you arent worthy to FLY a sacrilege if you cant tank 15 heavy drones
on a another note: what EW setups do Ishtar pilots here use?
im interested in knowing what you put in those 5 mids
Worthy rofl... Plz lets not make this personal shall we.
Firstly, how much are those 2 corpum reps worth? We are not talking of setups that require a billion ISK to fit out.
Talk using regular on market affordable/available mods. Not everyone carebears it out like you might.
Btw, how many ships have you killed in your Sacrilege solo? I would like to see it.
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Denrace
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:57:00 -
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I dont, that aint what its for.
4x 20km Disruptors. I warp in, pin things down and tank long enough for fleet support to jump in and finish the job.
Im sorry if this is a MULTIPLAYER game bud. But i like flying the sacrilege as a baiting tanked tackler. Works great!
Finally us tacklers get on killmails too.
and im not a carebear either hehe
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:05:00 -
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Quote: I dont, that aint what its for.
4x 20km Disruptors. I warp in, pin things down and tank long enough for fleet support to jump in and finish the job.
Im sorry if this is a MULTIPLAYER game bud. But i like flying the sacrilege as a baiting tanked tackler. Works great!
Finally us tacklers get on killmails too.
and im not a carebear either hehe
Thats fine if you dont/cant fly it solo. I DO. I fit it accordingly. I also fit it for group ops. seems you only see the Sacrilege as a tanked tackler.
Now, as I pointed out. That setup with 2 med batteries, 2 nos (more will NEVER fit), 1600 plate and 2 med rep II will not fit on a SAcrilege. You dont have enough grid.
Also, with 2 hardners best named, and the above setup you have used up 350 CPU. You still have 2 MID slots and 3 hi slots empty. Will you kill anythin in that ship? NO NEVER.
An Apoc can tank like a mofo.. but it serves no purpose to fit out to just tank. The point of this post was to find a ship that can tank AND kill an Ishtar with 15 drones. And your setup is just useless for that job.
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Calian
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:06:00 -
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Doesn't matter how good the Ishtar is, it's the ugliest thing to ever fly through space...
But anyway, I don't see the issue, the damage it does is good, but not any more than most HACs, so the biggest issue is it's nos, which you can easily counter by staying at 20-30km and using a decent named disruptor, put some EW on for good measure if you want, and the Ishtar is nothing that unbeatable... at least, that's how it seems. Will have some trouble if they fit EW, but that's true of any HAC, it's not a boon of the Ishtar specifically.
Regardless, haven't had personal experience fighting one, so I can't say, but I fail to see what makes them so unbeatable when their NOS can be ranged, their drones don't do insane damage, and they're not a fast ship. Don't get me wrong though, not saying it's not a very good ship, but unbeatable? I think not.
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:09:00 -
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Quote: Im sorry if this is a MULTIPLAYER game bud
Multiplayer doesn't mean flying solo isn't multiplayer. When you fight solo you are still fighting MULTIPLAYER. So lets not use that reasoning to not fly ships solo. Its A MAJOR part of this game. And the risk is higher, but thats what makes it MORE FUN.
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Elrathias
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:37:00 -
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how can staying at range be a good way to handle something? imo, handling is to kill it, and already the statement "range" is the wrong statement.
IF pilot_a.distance >25000 THEN warp.nearestcelestialobject ELSEIF Pilot_a.warpdisruptordistance <=25000 THEN die ELSEIF Pilot_a.warpdisruptordistance <7500 THEN pilot_a.eject_and_flee ELSE DIE Endif. --------------------------
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Calian
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: Calian on 13/09/2005 20:43:40 30km disruptors aren't that hard to buy, it's not like we're talking a billion isk for one, and you only need to stay 15km away from a Ishtar to totally negate it's NOS. What's the issue?
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Actually the DPS of an ishtar's drones is a fair bit lower than a gank HAC. 15 beserkers dont even hit 300 DPS. Its only with 15 tech2 ogres that it hits 400 DPS. Your average zealot or deimos will easily hit that figure
Of course, the ishtar has a lot more going for it than damage
It takes like 4 dmg mods on a Zealot to get 400+ DPS. It tops out around 600DPS with 7.
I think most people would consider a 4 dmg mods Zealot to be quite damaging So yes the Ishtar has more for it then damage but it's not like it's lacking in that department anyway
Doms 400dps vs 1200dps a Geddon does Ishtars 400dps vs 600dps a Zealot does
Thats what i meant in terms of the Ishtar having a much closer DPS value to it's rivals then a Dominix.
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sven dar
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Posted - 2005.09.13 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Elrathias
IF pilot_a.distance >25000 THEN warp.nearestcelestialobject ELSEIF Pilot_a.warpdisruptordistance <=25000 THEN die ELSEIF Pilot_a.warpdisruptordistance <7500 THEN pilot_a.eject_and_flee ELSE DIE Endif.
roffle VB 4tw btw check ur syntax if its VB 6,
on another note tho, a sac can not tank an ishtar's 15 hvy's with an off the market setup. now i have never fought an ishtar, but if i cant tank a domi's drones while hes only useing 2 nos in my sac, then no way in hell will i be able to tank a sac
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HankMurphy
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Posted - 2005.09.13 21:36:00 -
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*hankmurphy looks a few posts up the list*
Lets try to keep it civil ladies
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