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Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:23:00 -
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The new Hyperion looks very sensible. It's strong on the small scale, it has the cap boosters to run a solid active tank and its guns don't suck too much cap, while retaining the option of a full-gank shield fit. It'll probably see some good use on the fleet scale despite the active bonus but that's fine, with the alpha from nine turrets it'll have a small close-range damage advantage over the Rokh, at the cost of range and tank. I don't think it'll be overpowered, but it should be fairly easy to tone cap and/or fittings down if it is.
New Megathron looks good too. It's a bit odd that the race with the eight-lowslot BS is Gallente though, but I don't think it's a showstopper. Actually I think a perfectly viable Mega could be achieved without moving the highslot to a lowslot, but there you go. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction Whores in space
94
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:26:00 -
[1112] - Quote
Much more impressive this time CCP RISE, although I am a bit fearful as well that you might have stepped over that while line of overpower :P
Lets see.. But this is much more gallente now. Minmatar are a bit more minmatarish as well. We just need to test and ensure all ships are balanced among themselves. |
Suicide Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:26:00 -
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I really, Really, like the changes to the Hyperion. I don't use the Mega enough to really comment, but from the stats it looks good too. But for the Hype, losing a Gun, gaining some Hybrid Bonus, and gaining a full flight of Heavys is a trade I'll gladly make.
Good Job CCP Rise and the Balance Team!
In not only coming up with a great balance, but in taking the feedback :) |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
835
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:29:00 -
[1114] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote: Why is 1k extra power grid needed when you take a gun off to put a DLA on?
I'd love to see this fit in your head where you're going with long range guns and long range sentries at once without sacrifice (anyway, with just the sentries and three DDA's you're still pushing 700 ish DPS at 45k from napkin calculations with Gardes IIS, 550 ish at over 100km with Warden IIs). Curator II 1 DLA Bouncer II 2 DLAs Warden II 3 DLAs
That is quite a bit of sacrifice, being as to do this you have to use long range Railgun charges, which penalize tracking and do considerably less damage. Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
IceDe4d
Kath's Menagerie Gank for Profit
0
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:30:00 -
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hmm i would like it more if the mega would keep 8 high and gets 7 lows because i feel 8 lowslots for the basic mega is just too much and you still have the navy mega and vindi and they would need changes too if you give the mega 8 lows. It looks like i will fly more hyper in the future if this are the final changes but i have to say the aktiv rep bonus is not that usefull anymore at least for my pvp in low sec. |
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CCP Rise
C C P C C P Alliance
362
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:36:00 -
[1116] - Quote
Just updated the Megathron CPU slightly, it had picked up a large increase for the last iteration that I forgot to remove from the new stats. |
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
2482
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:36:00 -
[1117] - Quote
New version of Mega with 6 slot armor tank, 2 magstabs and both dmg rigs takes it to peak 1340 with Void on overheat (1498 with HH IIs).
Alternatively:
[Megathron, Odyssey] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Overdrive Injector System II Large Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II
100MN Microwarpdrive II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Nanobot Accelerator I Large Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Hammerhead II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x5
1253 peak dps, 838 dps w/Null no drones 75.6K EHP, 616 hp/s heated nanite reps (115.4K theory EHP after 8 cycles) 1775 m/s when you floor it
is not bad
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
252
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:37:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote: Why is 1k extra power grid needed when you take a gun off to put a DLA on?
I'd love to see this fit in your head where you're going with long range guns and long range sentries at once without sacrifice (anyway, with just the sentries and three DDA's you're still pushing 700 ish DPS at 45k from napkin calculations with Gardes IIS, 550 ish at over 100km with Warden IIs). Curator II 1 DLA Bouncer II 2 DLAs Warden II 3 DLAs That is quite a bit of sacrifice, being as to do this you have to use long range Railgun charges, which penalize tracking and do considerably less damage.
Not sounding particularly bad to hit 550 @ 100 for 3 highs and drones (Although admittedly, Bouncers seem to be more of a sweet spot.) You've still got 3 - 4 utility highs, which is enough for a potent cap chain with buddies and remote reps, as an example - something other long range battleships simply do not get the option of.
Or, you fill the highs with your favourite weapon system, bring a selection of heavies, use your ample mids for tackle, web MWD, MJD , Cap Injector; And enough lows for a reasonable armour tank + damage mods.
Or go full neut Killdozer.
Etc.
Etc.
The choice is yours! |
culo duro
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
66
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:39:00 -
[1119] - Quote
CCP Rise wrote:New versions of Hyperion and Megathron posted in the OP - let me know what you guys think.
still think that Active bonus on the Hyperion gotta go, i just can't see it being viable for anything more than teeeeny tiny gangs. |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
198
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:39:00 -
[1120] - Quote
Roime wrote:New version of Mega with 6 slot armor tank, 2 magstabs and both dmg rigs takes it to peak 1340 with Void on overheat (1498 with HH IIs).
Alternatively:
[Megathron, Odyssey] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Overdrive Injector System II Large Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II
100MN Microwarpdrive II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Nanobot Accelerator I Large Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Hammerhead II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x5
1253 peak dps, 838 dps w/Null no drones 75.6K EHP, 616 hp/s heated nanite reps (115.4K theory EHP after 8 cycles) 1775 m/s when you floor it
is not bad
um wtf |
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
252
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:43:00 -
[1121] - Quote
culo duro wrote:CCP Rise wrote:New versions of Hyperion and Megathron posted in the OP - let me know what you guys think. still think that Active bonus on the Hyperion gotta go, i just can't see it being viable for anything more than teeeeny tiny gangs.
Eh, the active bonus on the Maelstrom doesn't hurt it any for fleet work. |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
835
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:44:00 -
[1122] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote: Why is 1k extra power grid needed when you take a gun off to put a DLA on?
I'd love to see this fit in your head where you're going with long range guns and long range sentries at once without sacrifice (anyway, with just the sentries and three DDA's you're still pushing 700 ish DPS at 45k from napkin calculations with Gardes IIS, 550 ish at over 100km with Warden IIs). Curator II 1 DLA Bouncer II 2 DLAs Warden II 3 DLAs That is quite a bit of sacrifice, being as to do this you have to use long range Railgun charges, which penalize tracking and do considerably less damage. Not sounding particularly bad to hit 550 @ 100 for 3 highs and drones (Although admittedly, Bouncers seem to be more of a sweet spot.) You've still got 3 - 4 utility highs Which brings me back to my original point, what did it need 1k extra power grid for? Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
baltec1
Bat Country
5894
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:46:00 -
[1123] - Quote
Omnathious Deninard wrote: Which brings me back to my original point, what did it need 1k extra power grid for?
Options. |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
199
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:46:00 -
[1124] - Quote
Omnathious Deninard wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote: Why is 1k extra power grid needed when you take a gun off to put a DLA on?
I'd love to see this fit in your head where you're going with long range guns and long range sentries at once without sacrifice (anyway, with just the sentries and three DDA's you're still pushing 700 ish DPS at 45k from napkin calculations with Gardes IIS, 550 ish at over 100km with Warden IIs). Curator II 1 DLA Bouncer II 2 DLAs Warden II 3 DLAs That is quite a bit of sacrifice, being as to do this you have to use long range Railgun charges, which penalize tracking and do considerably less damage. Not sounding particularly bad to hit 550 @ 100 for 3 highs and drones (Although admittedly, Bouncers seem to be more of a sweet spot.) You've still got 3 - 4 utility highs Which brings me back to my original point, what did it need 1k extra power grid for?
It needed the grid BEFORE these changes so it could fit a proper tank and 425s. or like a heavy capacitor booster.
It doesn't need the grid as much now because no one would ever fit rails on the sentry drone fleet ship.
Having said that it now means people can use neutrons and a proper tank. So yeah.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
2482
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:47:00 -
[1125] - Quote
Dez Affinity wrote:
um wtf
Just trying to play to it's new strengths, it doesn't really buffer tank that well anymore. You need 7 lows and all rigs to get to 133K, leaving you with lackluster 1158 peak dps and 1364m/s max speed.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
3047
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:47:00 -
[1126] - Quote
CCP Rise wrote:Just updated the Megathron CPU slightly, it had picked up a large increase for the last iteration that I forgot to remove from the new stats.
That does hurt. The mega has trouble fitting 7 lows with current Cpu. Guess its going to need cpu rigs for rails + hardeners. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Moretic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:48:00 -
[1127] - Quote
Omnathious Deninard wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote: Why is 1k extra power grid needed when you take a gun off to put a DLA on?
I'd love to see this fit in your head where you're going with long range guns and long range sentries at once without sacrifice (anyway, with just the sentries and three DDA's you're still pushing 700 ish DPS at 45k from napkin calculations with Gardes IIS, 550 ish at over 100km with Warden IIs). Curator II 1 DLA Bouncer II 2 DLAs Warden II 3 DLAs That is quite a bit of sacrifice, being as to do this you have to use long range Railgun charges, which penalize tracking and do considerably less damage. Not sounding particularly bad to hit 550 @ 100 for 3 highs and drones (Although admittedly, Bouncers seem to be more of a sweet spot.) You've still got 3 - 4 utility highs Which brings me back to my original point, what did it need 1k extra power grid for?
As always, we all have our play styles... I am happy about the pwg update... I'd actuall prefer if it was given 200 pwg more |
Schmata Bastanold
Silver Octopus Infernal Octopus
692
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:49:00 -
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Heh, I am so happy I decided to come out my mother's basement and cross-train into weapon systems other than projectiles :)
Now the only problem will be to grind iskies for all those new toys that are coming this summer but maybe I will follow what one guy on GD wrote and start scamming people instead committing more genocide against those poor red crosses :) I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Rukhsana Uxor
Legio Astorum
2
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:49:00 -
[1129] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote: Eh, the active bonus on the Maelstrom doesn't hurt it any for fleet work.
Becuase of arty weapon with insane alpha and range :) |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
304
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:51:00 -
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How much Mega d have dps with 7 neutrons 1 mag and 100 drone bw? Anyone able to calculate?
Taking in consideration this new rof bonus. LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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culo duro
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
66
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:51:00 -
[1131] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:culo duro wrote:CCP Rise wrote:New versions of Hyperion and Megathron posted in the OP - let me know what you guys think. still think that Active bonus on the Hyperion gotta go, i just can't see it being viable for anything more than teeeeny tiny gangs. Eh, the active bonus on the Maelstrom doesn't hurt it any for fleet work.
Unlike the Maelstrom the Hyperion needs to sacrifice dps for more tank. The maelstrom have also got the huge advantage of being able to dual XL Anci reppers on it, and the 1400mm artys... The Maelstroms got a purpose in fleets, because it can fill out different roles. The Hyperion is just a brawler, with short range blasters, i can't see how it could use the armor rep bonus unless you go solo |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
167
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:52:00 -
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These 10% damage bonuses sound to me like you think you can't make it good with a normal 5%.
I'm not really seeing the 'attack' thing here. They align like half a second faster than current BS and go 50m/s faster with mwd. Do I really want to lose a tonne of hp for that? |
culo duro
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
66
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:54:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:These 10% damage bonuses sound to me like you think you can't make it good with a normal 5%.
I'm not really seeing the 'attack' thing here. They align like half a second faster than current BS and go 50m/s faster with mwd. Do I really want to lose a tonne of hp for that?
It's because it makes up for 1 less turret slot. |
IrJosy
Club 1621 Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:57:00 -
[1134] - Quote
I'm content. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2482
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:57:00 -
[1135] - Quote
Zloco Crendraven wrote:How much Mega d have dps with 7 neutrons 1 mag and 100 drone bw? Anyone able to calculate?
Taking in consideration this new rof bonus.
It has only 75mbit/s now, EFT max with one magstab is 1209 dps (2xOgreII 2xHH II 1xHobII, Void, O/H)
937 w/CNAM + 5x HH II cold
621 w/Null
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Nihilim Darth
rota fortunae DarkSide.
0
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:58:00 -
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culo duro wrote: It's because it makes up for 1 less turret slot.
2 less turret slot |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
199
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:59:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:How much Mega d have dps with 7 neutrons 1 mag and 100 drone bw? Anyone able to calculate?
Taking in consideration this new rof bonus.
Current mega with 7 neutrons 1 mag and 5 ogres is about 1050 dps
New mega with 7 neutrons 1 mag and 4 ogres is about 1030 dps
both with 2 mag stabs its about 5 dps different in favour of current mega
but it actually has 75 m3 drone now
so its 1050 current vs 990
and
1190 vs 1140 |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
835
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:00:00 -
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Dez Affinity wrote:
It needed the grid BEFORE these changes so it could fit a proper tank and 425s. or like a heavy capacitor booster.
It doesn't need the grid as much now because no one would ever fit rails on the sentry drone fleet ship.
Having said that it now means people can use neutrons and a proper tank. So yeah.
Before hand would have been great, depending on what you consider a proper tank, it still lacks powergrid for a neutron fit. Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction Whores in space
97
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:01:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:These 10% damage bonuses sound to me like you think you can't make it good with a normal 5%.
I'm not really seeing the 'attack' thing here. They align like half a second faster than current BS and go 50m/s faster with mwd. Do I really want to lose a tonne of hp for that?
But its still too fast comapred to tempest.. MINMATAR attack ship . THink both shoudl get extra speed up to 130ms |
culo duro
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
66
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:02:00 -
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Nihilim Darth wrote:culo duro wrote: It's because it makes up for 1 less turret slot.
2 less turret slot
Well long live the new mega... i mean hyperion. |
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