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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:30:00 -
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It's a pity that the 600 CPU you originally reported on the Megathron wasn't accurate... I know it's designed as a brawler, but that makes it real easy to make it a fleet ship too. Large railgun fitting reqs are absurd. Mynnna for CSM 8 |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
109
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:37:00 -
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The only thing Im worried about now is that only 6 turrets will look extremely ugly on the hyperion [just like the Myrmidon currently] |
Dani Lizardov
Otbor Chereshka GaNg BaNg TeAm
12
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:37:00 -
[1263] - Quote
mynnna wrote:It's a pity that the 600 CPU you originally reported on the Megathron wasn't accurate... I know it's designed as a brawler, but that makes it real easy to make it a fleet ship too. Large railgun fitting reqs are absurd.
Why people think, that the Mega should be a sniper? Please check out the new Domi bonuses!... then maybe learn drones. |
F4bske
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:39:00 -
[1264] - Quote
Hype and Mega look great now |
androch
Chillwater Ltd
44
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:42:00 -
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its great that domis a drone boat now... but now can you work on making it less ugly so it looks more like something that was made to launch drones... something sexy like the algos |
baltec1
Bat Country
5900
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:44:00 -
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androch wrote:its great that domis a drone boat now... but now can you work on making it less ugly so it looks more like something that was made to launch drones... something sexy like the algos
What are you talking about?
Its a lovable potato people just want to hug! |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2345
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:44:00 -
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Quote:Megathron:
With the Hyperion moving to more of a combat/utility ship via its drones, heavy mid-slot allocation, and spare high, we felt the mega could now afford to move towards a completely dedicated gun boat. Instead of the former 8/5/6 utility focused set up, we now have a 7/4/8 hybrid damage machine that has sacrificed its utility high (which was often unused) to gain another low - giving it more access to damage, damage application/projection, or tank. It stays in its attack role and therefor retains the previously described increases to speed and agility. This design should also fit the 'flavor' that the Megathron has spent a decade building much more accurately.
Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses: +5% Large Hybrid Turret rate of fire (replaces large hybrid turret damage) +7.5% Large Hybrid Turret tracking speed
Slot layout: 7H(-1), 4M, 8L(+1); 7 turrets , 0 launchers(-2) Fittings: 15500 PWG, 570 CPU(+20) Defense (shields / armor / hull): 6300(+89) / 6500(-141) / 7500 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 5800(+175) / 1087s / 5.02 (+.15) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 122(+7) / .117(-.0046) / 98400000 / 15.96s (-.63s) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 75(-50) / 75(-50) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 72.5km / 95 / 7 Sensor strength: 21 Magnetometric Sensor Strength Signature radius: 380(-20)
I approve of this service announcement and will be more than willing to endorse it with sexual favors. Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Afandi
Otbor Chereshka GaNg BaNg TeAm
11
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:44:00 -
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androch wrote:its great that domis a drone boat now... but now can you work on making it less ugly so it looks more like something that was made to launch drones... something sexy like the algos
Why not make it look like a panda? Or a tauren?
GTFO, the Dominix's charm is in its looks. |
Denuo Secus
161
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:44:00 -
[1269] - Quote
androch wrote:its great that domis a drone boat now... but now can you work on making it less ugly so it looks more like something that was made to launch drones... something sexy like the algos
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2863875#post2863875 (all rumors and guessing atm) |
Moretic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:45:00 -
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androch wrote:its great that domis a drone boat now... but now can you work on making it less ugly so it looks more like something that was made to launch drones... something sexy like the algos
I agree!!!!! remove the whale/potato |
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Viribus
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
133
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:48:00 -
[1271] - Quote
Ahahahhaa the updated changes are almost exactly what I posted on kugu like 3 hours before the OP was updated
Great minds think alike or somethin
Good changes |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
349
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:48:00 -
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mynnna wrote:It's a pity that the 600 CPU you originally reported on the Megathron wasn't accurate... I know it's designed as a brawler, but that makes it real easy to make it a fleet ship too. Large railgun fitting reqs are absurd.
Blame the weapon system G££ <= Me |
Siobhan MacLeary
BRG Corp Ocularis Inferno
91
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:49:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:
Hyperion:
+7.5% Armor Repair amount
My only, sole, solitary issue with the new Hyperion is the quoted hull bonus - active tanking is still pretty meh and most people who are going to use the Hyperion as a fleet ship will probably have not much use for local reps. Personally, I'd vote for a very modest - say 5% at max skills - bonus to either armor resists or armor hp.
Then again, the Myrmidon also has an armor rep bonus and its never exactly been a pushover, so Iunno. Aside from that everything looks good. GÇ£Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.GÇ¥ - CCP Soundwave |
androch
Chillwater Ltd
46
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:50:00 -
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the potato look is outdated since it no longer has weapon bonuses it needs to have its appearance altered to match its primary weapon system not to mention its so ugly that it makes caldari ships look pretty in comparison (moa) |
Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
460
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:53:00 -
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androch wrote:but now can you work on making it less ugly so it looks more like something that was made to launch drones... something sexy like the algos +1 Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |
Antimatter Launcher
Path of Progress Gatekeepers Universe
0
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:54:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote: Here's the new and improved Hyperion. Based off of your feedback, this new version goes from 8 turrets to 6, while doubling its damage bonus from 5% per level to 10%. It also gains a larger drone bandwidth and bay, a utility high, and keeps its much-needed mid slot.
Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses: +10% Large Hybrid Turret damage +7.5% Armor Repair amount
Slot layout: 7H(-1), 5M, 7L(+1); 6 turrets , 1 launchers
the old hyperion has the DMG of 10 Turrets 8 x 1,25 the new hyperion has the DMG of 9 Turrets 6 x 1,5
that hurt a little, but the new dronebay should make it okay. so, the new bonus is okay in my opinion. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5900
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:55:00 -
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androch wrote:the potato look is outdated since it no longer has weapon bonuses it needs to have its appearance altered to match its primary weapon system not to mention its so ugly that it makes caldari ships look pretty in comparison (moa)
But it already looks like a beehive... |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
806
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:55:00 -
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Dani Lizardov wrote:mynnna wrote:It's a pity that the 600 CPU you originally reported on the Megathron wasn't accurate... I know it's designed as a brawler, but that makes it real easy to make it a fleet ship too. Large railgun fitting reqs are absurd. Why people think, that the Mega should be a sniper? Please check out the new Domi bonuses!... then maybe learn drones.
Heaven forbid someone decide see if a ship can be used in a manner that you do not personally approve of. And I'm well aware of the notional fleet domi, thank you very much. Mynnna for CSM 8 |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
503
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:58:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:we are using myrms, gilas end even prophecys to great effect for brawls [with sentries]
Yeah I could see them working in that situation I guess. It's not a common thing to see a sentry drone meta outside of slowcats in my experience.
The thing that irks me about sentries is this; even if you get in a close range brawl, where you should hopefully not move too far from your sentries, you really only need to move a little outside the tiny scoop range to be left with the decision to leave them or spend time collecting.
I don't feel really strongly about it to be honest but making sentries move on return or increased scoop range would be a nice change that would probably give more reason to use them. There are still big limitations with using sentries (destroyable, low tracking, only carry one or two flights) even if this idea were to be implemented.
I used to use drone ships a lot and now I rarely use them because using drones annoys me so much. The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1252
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:58:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:androch wrote:its great that domis a drone boat now... but now can you work on making it less ugly so it looks more like something that was made to launch drones... something sexy like the algos What are you talking about? Its a lovable potato people just want to hug! Any ship with a rear end that looks like a hippo's ass gets a +1 from me. |
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1252
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Posted - 2013.04.10 15:03:00 -
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William Darkk wrote:I'm still a bit worried about the Dominix. It's going to be stuck in place unless the sentry drone changes happen concurrently with the changes. Could we get drone velocity added to the optimal/tracking bonus? It's drone dps seems to be comparable to the other ships turret dps, and in return for standing still while also dealing with drones, the domi fleet can provide remote reps/cap transfer/neuting services |
Havegun Willtravel
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
87
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Posted - 2013.04.10 15:03:00 -
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Good Morning Rise,
Thank you and your team for keeping up with the wall of text we've been generating. I can appreciate that finding a balance between some of the diverse opinions and wants can be a very difficult task while still maintaining good game balance.
Mega: Much improved. Retains it's classic role and features, and add's a touch of fresh flavor. This less radical rework should prove to be more widely accepted and utilized. Not sure it will replace Rokh's or Mael's in any fleet doctrine, but it now at least has the potential to hold it's own. In it's classic low sec Gunship role with logi support it seems better adapted than ever. +1 ( For anyone not 100% satisfied you still have the Navy Mega to tweak and they're not that much more expensive overall )
Hype: Alot better. If we have to get stuck with the rep bonus, this is a superior platform to do it with. The drone bay reblanacing seems very equitable considering the ship needs to live "In You're Face" to get it's job done. I can see where it has the potential to finally shine but I'm doubtful of it being OP simply because it doesn't have the pg to go wild with max gank & tank. As a dual rep Ion or tripple rep Electron platform it should remain equitable.
Two things are Exxceptionaly important here though. Currently Hype's go for +200 mil, Domi's for @ 95. While much maligned ( justifiably ) the rep bonus can be hugely advantageous to new and low sp players for pve ( and vets to ). Far and away the best manner to guarantee we finally see this ship fielded in great numbers is to nerf the hell out of the build cost. Make it the equivalent of the entry level bs and pve'ers will love you and PvP'ers will find a use for it. Of significant importance is the one stat you actually don't list. Cargo Bay . Perhaps for the first time ever in the history of EvE, in particular in a Combat ship balancing thread, someone's asking for a cargo bay buff. There's just no argument to be had. If it's getting stuck with the active rep bonus then it needs cap boosters. Even with Navy 800's and a med secure container it's just barely viable for a short drive by shooting. I'm not expecting it to have Itty 5 type cargo but it needs +50 or 75 for sure. Otherwise expect a rather large Nos drone thread to begin in 3,2,1.
Domi: Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe i don't '' Get It " with the optimal bonus. More than likely I'm still shocked that the Geddon got buffed the way it did. Either way, I can't see any purpose for this ship anymore. Not sure I'll train Amar BS 5, but i'll definitely have it at 4 for Odyssey. Maybe it will get better with Sentries. But that wont help if I'm using any of the two dozen other drones in the game. Ogre 2's and Zerks will still be stupid slow. Worse if the ship is now intended to be a mid to long range platform as opposed to it's more classic role of close to Very close range.
Going from a Vex to an Algos you definitely notice the speed bonus at work. I've used an Omni or Drone Nav comp on the Domi a few times but never been impressed enough to keep it on for long. Perhaps now they'll start to shine but sorry, I'm hugely doubtful of that . ATM I'm just at a loss to see any reason to PvP a Domi instead of a Geddon.
Thanks again for working with us on this. |
Spugg Galdon
APOCALYPSE LEGION
284
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Posted - 2013.04.10 15:10:00 -
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Holy poop box.
That's two times in a row my feedback has either
A) been listened to and applied
or
B) I somehow knew exactly what CCP were gonna do.
Can I please think that it was option "A"? It will make me blood up a little and everything.
Hyperion is now EXACTLY how I've always wanted it to be, it's just a little slow. Also, with that extra low the 9 effective turrets + and extra heavy drone + being able to actually fit a MFS II gives moar deeps. I am gonna cream myself!!! Has it had it's PG reduced or not cause -2 guns frees up heaps of PG which it needs. |
Antimatter Launcher
Path of Progress Gatekeepers Universe
0
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Posted - 2013.04.10 15:15:00 -
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@ Hyperion. well the cargobuff would be nice. and fit perfect with the ship size. we must remember that the hyperion is the biggest battleship by far from its size.
so add a little bit cargo, and please add a little bit max velocity, so it fit better with MWD whats important for the Brawl.
and btw, why dont pushed the lock in range a bit ? just 5km more would help much ! |
Deerin
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
86
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Posted - 2013.04.10 15:25:00 -
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.....overcorrection.....
Please apply it to our ships too. Check Pest vs Hyp. Both have 6 turrets. Pest has two damage bonuses while hype has double damage wrapped into one + rep bonus. + 125mbit drones + 1 more low. Their speeds ar also similar. |
Antimatter Launcher
Path of Progress Gatekeepers Universe
0
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Posted - 2013.04.10 15:26:00 -
[1286] - Quote
Deerin wrote:.....overcorrection.....
Please apply it to our ships too. Check Pest vs Hyp. Both have 6 turrets. Pest has two damage bonuses while hype has double damage wrapped into one + rep bonus. + 125mbit drones + 1 more low. Their speeds ar also similar.
the tempest have a 5% refire rate bonus wich is stronger then a 5% dmg bonus. so the tempest do more then 10% dmg in compare to the hyperion. |
Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita Unclaimed.
219
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Posted - 2013.04.10 15:28:00 -
[1287] - Quote
Deerin wrote:.....overcorrection.....
Please apply it to our ships too. Check Pest vs Hyp. Both have 6 turrets. Pest has two damage bonuses while hype has double damage wrapped into one + rep bonus. + 125mbit drones + 1 more low. Their speeds ar also similar.
The tempest has a more than 10% damage bonus, its guns don't use capacitor and have greater range than blasters, and its tank doesn't need capacitor to run if fit with ancillary shield boosters. A more than fair tradeoff. |
Johan March
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
24
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Posted - 2013.04.10 15:28:00 -
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I think the revisions are a step in the right direction and I definitely appreciate the re-tweak.
However, did you actually nerf the Hyperion's damage by taking it from 8 turrets with a 5% per level damage bonus to 6 turrets with a 10% per level damage bonus?
(8*1.25) vs. (6*1.5)
Am I missing something?
On edit: realized the PG buff will allow the fitting of heavier guns w/ the standard armor set up. This is actually quite good.
Also, color me skeptical that a trimarked, plated Mega is going to be anything but fast and agile. As much as I do not like local armor reps, it makes sense that the active repped, no trimarked, ship would be far more 'agile' than the plated, trimarked one.
I still don't see a fleet ship here, except maybe the Dominix.
Still, over all, much better. |
Loki Vice
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2013.04.10 15:29:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Just updated the Megathron CPU slightly, it had picked up a large increase for the last iteration that I forgot to remove from the new stats.
Why are you sticking to your guns on that useless active armor bonus on the hyperion? what the gallente really need is a ship that can fit into other doctrines, making it damage/range bonus would make it feasible to fit rails, you can drop the 5th mid down to a 4th, and leave it at 7 lows.
This gives gallete pilots the chance to participate in fleets that involve long range, or it can be fit with blasters and still do decent damage (still not as much as the megathron) but have better damage projection. |
Isa Superiora
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2013.04.10 15:36:00 -
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Not bad. |
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