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Lidia Caderu
Cobalt Academy Cobalt..
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Posted - 2013.04.11 07:13:00 -
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Why Brutix not Myrmidon?! |
Martin0
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
98
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Posted - 2013.04.11 07:34:00 -
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Soooooo the navy brutix will be as expensive as an astarte without t2 resists.
And now there are 4 ships with the brutix hull.
Really, why not a Navy Myrmidon with the same bonuses? The model also have 6 turrets.
Don't tell us "myrmidon is a drone boat" because the exequror is a logi but the navy exequror is an awesome blasterboat.
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Lidia Caderu
Cobalt Academy Cobalt..
1
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Posted - 2013.04.11 07:37:00 -
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You can make Myrm like this:
+10% turret damage +10% drone damage
100/175 for drones (200 dronehold is too big) 7 hi slots, 7 turrets
else is pretty same |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
618
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Posted - 2013.04.11 07:56:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:It's just not worth the price of admission over the standard 'Cane. It also seems like a lazy cop out after the apparent thought that went into the other Navy BCs.
Faction ships aren't supposed to be cost effective, Einstein. |
El Geo
Pathfinders. The Marmite Collective
87
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Posted - 2013.04.11 08:16:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Jureth22 wrote:but why brutix and not myrmidon? Because we finally have our dps + tracking BC for fleets! But yeah, need more T2/Faction Myrm hulls out there (instead of them all being Brutix huls).
I agree
Jureth22 wrote:but why brutix and not myrmidon?
indeed
CCP, y u no make more myrms???? path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.11 08:18:00 -
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They look cool,but do we really need this ships?
Good they are expensive so people will still use T1 hulls over this ones.But also their price shows that CCP is not really upset about inflation that is present it EVE atm. |
El Geo
Pathfinders. The Marmite Collective
87
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Posted - 2013.04.11 08:22:00 -
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Buhhdust Princess wrote:These seem fair but not op. Cant wait to see that serpentis myrmidon u got planned ;-)
Serpentis myrmidon.... path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.04.11 08:29:00 -
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Exactly, the Serp skin looks fantastic on the Myrm, it's all greeny black and vertical. Who can complain with a Vertical serpentis ship?? |
Absolon Echerie
Gulag Industries
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Posted - 2013.04.11 08:33:00 -
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Sahriah BloodStone wrote:Can you tell us why you chose the brutix instead of the myrm? The brutix already has the Eos and astarte. I know the myrms a drone boat, but come on, that really sucks :( I dont mind if you give it hybrid weaps instead of drones for the navy version, just give the gallente the same hull treatment :(
maybe pirate version of the myrm? would be easier to explain since the guristas use drone boats (worm,gila, rattler) so a pirate myrm would fit in nice as an armor variant or even refocussed to shield |
Hakan MacTrew
Caledonian Light Industries Sick N' Twisted
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Posted - 2013.04.11 08:38:00 -
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+9001
Persoanlly, I like all the NBC's. Wasn't sure about the Harby not having a cap use bonus, but that 5th mid should help offset it's dependancy. At least all the fool's who begged for it's removal have finally got their wish.
Launchers!. Fitting will be a bit of a squeeze on that Drake. May require an impant or two... But the added bonuses are tastey.
The return of the Welpcane. I was hoping for something special on it, something unique. But I can see a lot of people are happy to see it's return. And it will always be a solid layout.
The Brutix? Really? Nice stats, but I was hoping for a Myrm. Fingers crossed for the eventual Pirate versions... (Unless you can fit the Myrm skin in here and use the tier 3 hulls for the Pirates... Now that has potential.) MODULAR DRONES
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wallenbergaren
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.11 08:39:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Anabella Rella wrote:It's just not worth the price of admission over the standard 'Cane. It also seems like a lazy cop out after the apparent thought that went into the other Navy BCs. Faction ships aren't supposed to be cost effective, Einstein.
That doesn't mean they can't be overpriced.
A Navy Geddon is 150k LP, a Navy Harb is 125k LP. Does that give you a hint?
Then consider the fact that this class of BC has many natural predators. Aside from the Drake none of them are going to be particularly great kiting ships, and as brawlers BCs have shined because of their price performance ratio. But these ships will be competing in price with Command Ships which completely outclass them.
The faction BSes are used because there aren't T2 variants that outperform them, same with many of the frigates. The faction Cruisers are used because their price sits in a nice spot, a Stabber Fleet is 50m, not 120m. At this current price these ships are little more than a novelty, at ~120m they might actually get used. |
tasman devil
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded
28
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Posted - 2013.04.11 09:47:00 -
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First pass from me:
Amarr Navy BC is shhhh..
Amarr Harbinger:
-1 med +1/2 low
at a minimum
Minmatar Hurricane: drop the launchers. Since they are un-bonused, nobody will use them and that means the Hurricane will have TWO utility highs instead of ONE like all other races (DNI has none, Caldari forgot about that, apparently). Also reduce the Drone bay and bandwidth to 25/25
You also could re-think about the bonuses. Currently (+5% damage +7,5% rate of fire) will make it a joy to ride.
Gallente Brutix NI:
+1 med, -1 low
othen then that it is good to go. Or you could boost the drones to 75/75
I don't belive in reincarnation I've never believed in it in my previous lives either... |
Firu Issier
Europa.
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Posted - 2013.04.11 10:26:00 -
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Lidia Caderu wrote:You can make Myrm like this:
+10% turret damage +10% drone damage
100/175 for drones (200 dronehold is too big) 7 hi slots, 7 turrets
else is pretty same
This looks great but we all know that CCP hates gallente and we never get would we want. |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
230
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Posted - 2013.04.11 10:30:00 -
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tasman devil wrote:Minmatar Hurricane: drop the launchers. Since they are un-bonused, nobody will use them and that means the Hurricane will have TWO utility highs instead of ONE like all other races (DNI has none, Caldari forgot about that, apparently).
Hurricane already has two utility highs. It's just that those utilities can also be used as launchers if you so please, it goes with minmatar versatity doctrine. |
Katsami
Sancta Terra
17
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Posted - 2013.04.11 10:38:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Anabella Rella wrote:It's just not worth the price of admission over the standard 'Cane. It also seems like a lazy cop out after the apparent thought that went into the other Navy BCs. Faction ships aren't supposed to be cost effective, Einstein.
Faction ships are also at least supposed to provide a nominal upgrade over T1 for that inflated price.
These don't even come close. |
Katsami
Sancta Terra
17
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Posted - 2013.04.11 10:40:00 -
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Hakan MacTrew wrote:+9001 Persoanlly, I like all the NBC's. Wasn't sure about the Harby not having a cap use bonus, but that 5th mid should help offset it's dependancy. At least all the fool's who begged for it's removal have finally got their wish. Launchers!. Fitting will be a bit of a squeeze on that Drake. May require an impant or two... But the added bonuses are tastey. The return of the Welpcane. I was hoping for something special on it, something unique. But I can see a lot of people are happy to see it's return. And it will always be a solid layout. The Brutix? Really? Nice stats, but I was hoping for a Myrm. Fingers crossed for the eventual Pirate versions... (Unless you can fit the Myrm skin in here and use the tier 3 hulls for the Pirates... Now that has potential.)
It can't be called a Welpcane if you can't actually Welp it. |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2013.04.11 10:48:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium is there not a concern over their tank being better than most battleships? Btw love the brutix its kind of what people want the T1 brutix to be like... also a little concerned the drake will basically replace the old drake .. yes slightly more expensive but null sec alliances are short of isk.. 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor. |
OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.11 11:01:00 -
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So on a different point of view, not just commenting the numbers, it's all about paying 5x the price of the boat, to get decent performances back. This after all the "balance" speech. After the OP drama. After all the s*it about how bad Blobs are. Not that i don't like the "new" boats, or care about their price. Just about the hypochrisy and the "because i say so" thing. Lol, CCP. Lol. Lol. Lol. *** "Why not rise prices on the BC's from start?", would one ask. Just to avoid s*hit throwed from the fan, an direct it to forum people wich were more than happy to show their hate to the things they don't fly. Simple "good cop/bad cop" game. Those guys have blonde chicks in the Marketing department. Blonde JEW chicks. Small, but important detail. Don't serve me the "it's a game" argument, please. For us, it's a game. For them, it's a bussines. "Pay to Win" is bad just when money go in a unwanted direction. Let's guess... who says where's the good direction? *** Any ideea how...balanced will the militia guys incomes be after this one? *** "My awesome game must cost more than yours. Because i say so." And this is all what's about. Even like this i want my awesome EvE back. |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2013.04.11 11:04:00 -
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im guessing they all have the command link bonus like T1 ?.... the brutix will surely obsolete the mega same tank almost same slots and much more mobile..... 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor. |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
257
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Posted - 2013.04.11 11:15:00 -
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hmm usually how much isk 1000lp worth? or could somebody tell us probably what will be the cost of one of these things? |
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
2502
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Posted - 2013.04.11 11:16:00 -
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The Frutix has some very nice stats, and could well serve as low-SP option for small armor gangs. Tracking bonus is damn sweet <3
However I strongly oppose these awful camo paint jobs. Please, please design proper color schemes for the navies, cheap jungle camo is an insult to these ships.
And now you have to make Eos use the Myrm hull as base :)
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
257
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Posted - 2013.04.11 11:21:00 -
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Jonas Sukarala wrote:CCP Ytterbium is there not a concern over their tank being better than most battleships? Btw love the brutix its kind of what people want the T1 brutix to be like... also a little concerned the drake will basically replace the old drake .. yes slightly more expensive but null sec alliances are short of isk.. pff so exactly how this will replace the drake? not that the drake is used that much it has lower dmg and tank , for better range and speed ,so pls tell us |
El Geo
Pathfinders. The Marmite Collective
89
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Posted - 2013.04.11 11:25:00 -
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Roime wrote:The Frutix has some very nice stats, and could well serve as low-SP option for small armor gangs. Tracking bonus is damn sweet <3
However I strongly oppose these awful camo paint jobs. Please, please design proper color schemes for the navies, cheap jungle camo is an insult to these ships.
And now you have to make Eos use the Myrm hull as base :)
I do miss the old comet paint job, it was so awesome looking now it just looks like its had a tin of green paint thrown over it
path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2013.04.11 11:28:00 -
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Naomi Knight wrote:Jonas Sukarala wrote:CCP Ytterbium is there not a concern over their tank being better than most battleships? Btw love the brutix its kind of what people want the T1 brutix to be like... also a little concerned the drake will basically replace the old drake .. yes slightly more expensive but null sec alliances are short of isk.. pff so exactly how this will replace the drake? not that the drake is used that much it has lower dmg and tank , for better range and speed ,so pls tell us
it has more tank than the raven ......... much better projection and tracking..... 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor. |
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
65
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Posted - 2013.04.11 11:31:00 -
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Jonas Sukarala wrote:im guessing they all have the command link bonus like T1 ?.... the brutix will surely obsolete the mega same tank almost same slots and much more mobile.....
Well the faction Brutix is going to cost a lot more than a Mega. So yes on stats alone it will potentially obsolete a Megathron, you know in the same way that the Proteus has obsoleted pretty much every Gallente ship on the game. I've never seen any Gallente pilot not flying a Proteus.
Love the amount of confusion these ships are causing. The amount of completely contrary posts saying these ships are under/over powered is hilarious! |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
724
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Posted - 2013.04.11 11:33:00 -
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I don't quite understand what niche these things are supposed to fill
Looking at the lp prices they will end up costing almost as much as a command ship and.. Well i don't see why you would get a slightly buffed up hurricane when you can get a sleipnir for the same price =/
All in all these ships seem rather redundant and boring, not really adding any significant value. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
2502
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Posted - 2013.04.11 11:41:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:I don't quite understand what niche these things are supposed to fill
Looking at the lp prices they will end up costing almost as much as a command ship and.. Well i don't see why you would get a slightly buffed up hurricane when you can get a sleipnir for the same price =/
All in all these ships seem rather redundant and boring, not really adding any significant value.
They are primarily aimed at players with more ISK or LP than SP. One does not simply jump into a command ship. They are also more commonly used in PVE than PVP.
CCP wrote:For those who just joined EVE, navy hulls mainly offer improved performance over regular tech1 ships. They can be acquired at your nearest navy or Factional Warfare (FW) militia friendly store if you donGÇÖt feel like obtaining them through other players on the regular market.
Nice goals for new and old mission grinders or FW guys.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2013.04.11 11:54:00 -
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Mr Floydy wrote:Jonas Sukarala wrote:im guessing they all have the command link bonus like T1 ?.... the brutix will surely obsolete the mega same tank almost same slots and much more mobile..... Well the faction Brutix is going to cost a lot more than a Mega.
I wouldn't be so sure about that the price of the mega will increase after patch im sure to at least 200mil plus mods and rigs you're talking closer too 300mil i doubt a navy brutix will cost that much.
'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor. |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
2701
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Posted - 2013.04.11 11:56:00 -
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Mr Floydy wrote:Jonas Sukarala wrote:im guessing they all have the command link bonus like T1 ?.... the brutix will surely obsolete the mega same tank almost same slots and much more mobile..... Well the faction Brutix is going to cost a lot more than a Mega. So yes on stats alone it will potentially obsolete a Megathron, you know in the same way that the Proteus has obsoleted pretty much every Gallente ship on the game. I've never seen any Gallente pilot not flying a Proteus. Love the amount of confusion these ships are causing. The amount of completely contrary posts saying these ships are under/over powered is hilarious!
The confusion means CCP has done their job correctly. It is almost a perfect balance because noone really knows which way this is going to swing. |
Firu Issier
Europa.
0
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Posted - 2013.04.11 12:07:00 -
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Buhhdust Princess wrote:Mr Floydy wrote:Jonas Sukarala wrote:im guessing they all have the command link bonus like T1 ?.... the brutix will surely obsolete the mega same tank almost same slots and much more mobile..... Well the faction Brutix is going to cost a lot more than a Mega. So yes on stats alone it will potentially obsolete a Megathron, you know in the same way that the Proteus has obsoleted pretty much every Gallente ship on the game. I've never seen any Gallente pilot not flying a Proteus. Love the amount of confusion these ships are causing. The amount of completely contrary posts saying these ships are under/over powered is hilarious! The confusion means CCP has done their job correctly. It is almost a perfect balance because noone really knows which way this is going to swing.
But....... But....... But....... I want a navy Myrmidon....... Not another Brutix with less tank.
I think CCP hates Drones |
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