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Vizvig
Savage Blizzard Bright Side of Death
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Posted - 2013.04.14 07:04:00 -
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Ovv Topik wrote:"There is no solo pvp in FW, just solo +ogb alt," There's no OGB baby, this all natural, web range, EHP, speed.
In fact, I wonder why it has not yet been fixed. But see to all game design - pve system shows you can farm and get superiority and you can get superiority via another effort, this is bad, this make many ppl gone. A 0.001% elite pvp can effort time again to search victims, just do it
There is 2 way to further development 1st way make something funny and dyfficult (and also physical engine, collisions, ets. So i think phys engine make lesser CPU-load than calculations of magic buffs ). 2nd way is make t4 OGB to make suffer t3 OGB users.
BTW i also use OGB periodically. |
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.15 00:53:00 -
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Face it, Eve is a space MMO where the middle M stands for "Multiplayer". So the assumption that you can pick your 1 on 1 fights is wrong.
Though having offgrid boosts and logistics show up on killmails would be good. |
Khalid DeCroix
MADPVP Mad Citizens
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Posted - 2013.04.15 05:44:00 -
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My own personal solution for this is just to drag an ECM alt everywhere I go. The only real purpose he serves is to heroically save my more expensive ships from certain death to kiters, OGB tards, and anyone bringing more than one pilot to the fray vs my neighborhood friendly yarr boats.
Optionally, I could just get an OGB alt as well, but then I'd have to learn how to actually pvp, sorta. And falcons inspire a certain kind of rage(which is its own reward,) especially against the mighty fleet tackle and leet pvp'ers with boosts. "We'd totally have screwed you over if you hadn't screwed us over first you cheating bastard with ECM. This 10v1 was totally fair."
Local awareness, as previously mentioned, is also very very useful. Realistically, solo pvp will always be an uphill battle. Duo is much more realistic, and most people have an alt anyway. |
Seraph Castillon
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.04.15 08:12:00 -
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Sjugar wrote:Face it, Eve is a space MMO where the middle M stands for "Multiplayer". So the assumption that you can pick your 1 on 1 fights is wrong.
This is possibly the worst argument against nerving them and yet it keeps coming up. Clueless people ... OGB are just as bad when the engagement is a small gang one. Also notice that you said multiplayer, not multi-possed-up-account. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
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Posted - 2013.04.15 08:32:00 -
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Seraph Castillon wrote:Sjugar wrote:Face it, Eve is a space MMO where the middle M stands for "Multiplayer". So the assumption that you can pick your 1 on 1 fights is wrong. This is possibly the worst argument against nerving them and yet it keeps coming up. Clueless people ... OGB are just as bad when the engagement is a small gang one. Also notice that you said multi player, not multi-possed-up-account.
i do not know why you cry so much about ogb, but if you think that those people who now use OGB will give you fair fight and you could win them after nerf you are at wrong. Nerfing OGB does not really change anything, same people will just use other tricks to kill you. |
Vizvig
Savage Blizzard Bright Side of Death
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Posted - 2013.04.15 10:40:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Seraph Castillon wrote:Sjugar wrote:Face it, Eve is a space MMO where the middle M stands for "Multiplayer". So the assumption that you can pick your 1 on 1 fights is wrong. This is possibly the worst argument against nerving them and yet it keeps coming up. Clueless people ... OGB are just as bad when the engagement is a small gang one. Also notice that you said multi player, not multi-possed-up-account. i do not know why you cry so much about ogb, but if you think that those people who now use OGB will give you fair fight and you could win them after nerf you are at wrong. Nerfing OGB does not really change anything, same people will just use other tricks to kill you. You right, they all become blob after OGB nerf |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.04.15 14:40:00 -
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The fact that you think the two are related is very telling in just how dense you are, well done. In regards to your actual query, no I say nothing of any substance on here and you are much better off ignoring me.
Ginger Barbarella wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Off grid boosts are off grid; at a safe, at a gate, at a station undock, etc "Solo" pilots roam with them so they just safe it up, turn on boosts and **** on your plex
So, someone not on grid ****'s with your plex, but neutrals dropping in (to FW plexes) is "good stuff"? Do you EVER post anything that matters?
derp? |
Seraph Castillon
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.04.15 15:22:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:i do not know why you cry so much about ogb, but if you think that those people who now use OGB will give you fair fight and you could win them after nerf you are at wrong. Nerfing OGB does not really change anything, same people will just use other tricks to kill you.
Name one trick that is as risk free and hidden as OGB. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.04.15 15:29:00 -
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The only issue I have with OGB is that they don't follow the concept of "diminishing returns" that seems to be part of everything else in Eve.
Edit: OK, and the fact that they don't show up on killmails. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2013.04.15 15:54:00 -
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It would be great if the ogbs showed up on past as well as future killmails. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
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Posted - 2013.04.16 18:53:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Cearain wrote:Ovv Topik wrote:So cant they be scanned out with combat scanners?
If someone is dual boxing, the boosting alt must be at least semi AFK.
You'd think a small gang could pin down the alt while baiting the main in a plex...
No wait, don't tell me... They can boost cloaked? No they can't boost cloaked. But they can boost behind a pos shield. Most solo pvpers I know don't gimp their fit with a combat scanner. I imagine some do but those solo pvpers are mostly looking to gank carebears and industrials. On this forum people are generally fighting other pvp ships. Crime & punishment will have more of that sort of pvp I would think. Beyond that, I don't know. Scanning mining and pi are things I have no desire to do in eve. But I have heard to scan down many t3s you needs speacial implants - but i don't really know. They can also boost with a covert ops cloak. and... -On station (dock up if anyone aggresses); in lowsec they take sentry fire and a sec hit as well. -On gate (Jump, cloak up if aggressed); aggressor also takes sentry fire and sec hit. -In a safespot with ECCM running (Need a max-skilled scanner with all the bells and whistles plus a virtue set to scan them down)
Rofl, learn to play.
Alpha nado 1 Shots a t3 on a gate or station. Easy 500mil killmail. |
Sian Ka'an
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2013.04.16 20:08:00 -
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I do most of my pvp in entry system vs boosted camps, usually outnumbered fighting alone or with my mate. in those situations OGBs really enables you to even have the fight in the first place and helps level the field vs their boosts. ****** flying still gets you killed no matter what. OGBs are not an iwin button vs superior numbers.
having said that, I do miss the good old pre-ogb days and would rather not have them in the game at all. I also feel boosting a 1v1 is a silly thing to do. |
Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
598
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Posted - 2013.04.16 23:11:00 -
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Sian Ka'an wrote:I do most of my pvp in entry system vs boosted camps, usually outnumbered fighting alone or with my mate. in those situations OGBs really enables you to even have the fight in the first place and helps level the field vs their boosts. ****** flying still gets you killed no matter what. OGBs are not an iwin button vs superior numbers.
having said that, I do miss the good old pre-ogb days and would rather not have them in the game at all. I also feel boosting a 1v1 is a silly thing to do.
My fears are that when OGBs are removed.. The boosted gate camps will just simply replace their Lokis with claymores. In this situation the solo / small gang PvPers that could once have a chance of competing will just get stomped.
Imagine trying to kite the enemies when they go faster and point longer than you.
I see it as just another nerf to small gangs.
Infact CCP has been making it harder for smaller groups to compete with larger groups. Tier 3 BCs counter many kiting ships simply just shooting them and soon we are going to have Armageddons that will neut you dry all the way out to 40kms. |
Sian Ka'an
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2013.04.17 02:47:00 -
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Diesel47 wrote:Sian Ka'an wrote:I do most of my pvp in entry system vs boosted camps, usually outnumbered fighting alone or with my mate. in those situations OGBs really enables you to even have the fight in the first place and helps level the field vs their boosts. ****** flying still gets you killed no matter what. OGBs are not an iwin button vs superior numbers.
having said that, I do miss the good old pre-ogb days and would rather not have them in the game at all. I also feel boosting a 1v1 is a silly thing to do. My fears are that when OGBs are removed.. The boosted gate camps will just simply replace their Lokis with claymores. In this situation the solo / small gang PvPers that could once have a chance of competing will just get stomped. Imagine trying to kite the enemies when they go faster and point longer than you. I see it as just another nerf to small gangs. Infact CCP has been making it harder for smaller groups to compete with larger groups. Tier 3 BCs counter many kiting ships simply just shooting them and soon we are going to have Armageddons that will neut you dry all the way out to 40kms.
removing ogb is not all that bad and opens up other opportunities, mainly off grid separation.
tier 3s have not really been that much of an issue to us. sig reduction link and savvy manual flying allows you to kill stuff within arty range, provided you fly the correct ship for the job.
and ya that new geddon is silly. I expect to see bricked neut batteries with sentries on a regular basis.
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Secret Squirrell
Allied Press Intergalactic
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Posted - 2013.04.17 14:56:00 -
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First, the idea that OGB Alts are risk free is simply not true. Unless you have a POS to safe up at in every system, your boosting at a safe. As mentioned, even set up for max probe resistance, with a virtue set you are definately probable. Gate camps are always a risk, sure your cloaky nullified, but each time you run one there is a risk that you either get unlucky and spawn too close to something to cloak, or mess up the cloak timing and get quick locked, in either case, your probably dead as you have no tank or weapons, and many don't even fit a prop mod. 800m isk ship/pod combo dead. Also, undock/gate is just inviting someone to alpha your glass tanked booster.
I fly my booster in support of 0.0 fleets, and quite simply, on grid boosters do not work in current mechanics. You will get alpha'd off the field no matter how well you try to tank it, and even if they don't bring alpha, your gonna be slow and get left behind when maneuvering. And there are definitely probers with virtue sets around. The T3 booster nerf strongly favors the bigger guys too, as OGB is still going to work, and the big guys will have nice safe POSes to put command ship boosters in, while roamers/smaller guys will still need to rely on safed T3s that now boost less.
As for the KMs thing, wouldn't really effect my booster alt, everyone who cares to knows who the boosters are already knows, half the time we jump past the enemy scouts or even the whole fleet to get set up in the system where the fights going down, not to mention the rampant spying that goes on. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
365
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Posted - 2013.04.17 19:19:00 -
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Well they are risk free unless you are a moron, as it's easy to keep it safe with just a small amount of effort. However as there are a lot of morons out there you are correct they are not completely risk free.
KM thing is about ego, piece of mind, or BC ratings. More for us solo folk then the blobcentric majority of Eve. I.E. "He only beat me because he was boosted" can now be proved. Stuff like that.
Would provide some intelligence ofc, but you are correct nothing you couldn't figure out easy enough on your own. But again i don't see that as the primary motivation for wanting them on the KM.
Secret Squirrell wrote:First, the idea that OGB Alts are risk free is simply not true. Unless you have a POS to safe up at in every system, your boosting at a safe. As mentioned, even set up for max probe resistance, with a virtue set you are definately probable. Gate camps are always a risk, sure your cloaky nullified, but each time you run one there is a risk that you either get unlucky and spawn too close to something to cloak, or mess up the cloak timing and get quick locked, in either case, your probably dead as you have no tank or weapons, and many don't even fit a prop mod. 800m isk ship/pod combo dead. Also, undock/gate is just inviting someone to alpha your glass tanked booster.
I fly my booster in support of 0.0 fleets, and quite simply, on grid boosters do not work in current mechanics. You will get alpha'd off the field no matter how well you try to tank it, and even if they don't bring alpha, your gonna be slow and get left behind when maneuvering. And there are definitely probers with virtue sets around. The T3 booster nerf strongly favors the bigger guys too, as OGB is still going to work, and the big guys will have nice safe POSes to put command ship boosters in, while roamers/smaller guys will still need to rely on safed T3s that now boost less.
As for the KMs thing, wouldn't really effect my booster alt, everyone who cares to knows who the boosters are already knows, half the time we jump past the enemy scouts or even the whole fleet to get set up in the system where the fights going down, not to mention the rampant spying that goes on.
derp? |
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