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Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:37:00 -
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It has barely been 12 hours since the horrendous shooting in Caille.
Republic Security Services Field Agent Administrator Abja Etbald of the Huggar Office has announced they will enter the Federation from Bei to extradite the criminal with or without Federation approval.
While the cultural and political significance of Karin Midular cannot be denied, the fact that Caille has barely had any time to even investigate the crime shows a petulant disrespect for Gallentean due process, and an arrogance in assuming the Federation should simply cave in to 'respecting the tribes' in the name of political correctness.
If RSS merely waited, I don't know, at least a day, a formal extradition could be organized. This is reactionary impatience at its worst. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
207
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:55:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote: Republic Security Services Field Agent Administrator Abja Etbald of the Huggar Office has announced they will enter the Federation from Bei to extradite the criminal with or without Federation approval.
Wouldn't that be an act of war ? |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
99
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:00:00 -
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"According to highly placed sources within the Minmatar government, Sanmatar Malaetu Shakor has been in direct contact with Federation President Jacus Roden, making a strongly worded demand that the shooter be extradited to the Minmatar Republic for questioning and trial. The same sources indicate that the President's response was negative, citing internal investigation and damage control at home as the primary reasons."
From a recent news report. Mr. Roden has already refused a direct request for extradition. While I cannot condone violation of sovereignty as in this case, the Matari are right to wonder at Roden's refusal in light of the suspect's ethnic Gallente race and willing surrender to law enforcement.
I hope that this will end without further bloodshed. |
BloodBird
Mixed Metaphor
129
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:37:00 -
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It would be absurd to assume that the Republic would start a violent politically suicidal incident with their main allies over one terrorist, regardless of their personal desires.
If they want this man for trial and punishment, I see no reason not to hand this person over - once the Federal side of the investigation and due process is over.
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Gradient Electus Matari
37
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Posted - 2013.04.11 19:27:00 -
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Crimes have been committed against both of our people. Let's not let the investigation of these Crimes get bogged down by Jurisdictional Arguments over who should be investigating.
To be frank, considering the devastation and co-ordination required for this attack, it's highly likely for the Shooter to have been working alone, even if he was the only one caught at the scene. It makes sense for our respective Law Enforcement Arms to co-operate with each other to bring the maximum possible resources to bear on completely rooting out this individual's support network and avoiding a repeat of this atrocity in either of our territories. |
Karmilla Strife
Utopian Research I.E.L. Suddenly Spaceships.
58
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Posted - 2013.04.11 19:29:00 -
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I assume you meant unlikely? |
Aidari Flamesight
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.04.11 19:33:00 -
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If the tables were turned and Blaque, Foritian, or Roden were killed by a Minmatar in Minmatar space, I'm sure they would be doing the same thing. |
Gabriel Darkefyre
Gradient Electus Matari
37
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Posted - 2013.04.11 19:41:00 -
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Karmilla Strife wrote:I assume you meant unlikely?
Indeed, a glitch in my Router signal. Part of my message got lost to Static
((OOC: D'Oh!)) |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
460
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Posted - 2013.04.11 19:42:00 -
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Aidari Flamesight wrote:If the tables were turned and Blaque, Foritian, or Roden were killed by a Minmatar in Minmatar space, I'm sure they would be doing the same thing.
What makes you think any of us give a **** about high-ranking politicians? There's no sense of interstellar kinship as amongst the Minmatar. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
881
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Posted - 2013.04.11 19:44:00 -
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I advise you to surrender said terrorist, if you think he's guilty. The Matari will NOT brook interference in their reponse to the attempted assassination of a highly placed member of their society.
I know this is... uncomfortable... in a strictly legalistic sense, but your strongeset ally will NOT understand if you drag your feet on this issue! |
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
460
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:09:00 -
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8 hours is hardly dragging feet. |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
539
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:18:00 -
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Here's the thing, Pieter.
Were the situation reversed, and it were a Matari that shot a Federation official in Republic space, you can guarantee the Republic would flip its **** about the prospect of turning him over to the Federation if the Federation demanded an immediate extradition.
They cannot have it both ways.
The attack happened on Federation soil, in Federation space, and is under Federation jurisdiction. If they want to work with the Federation on this, I'm sure accommodations would be made. But making demands and threats of violence not even eight ******* hours after the incident is not the way to go.
Midular, "Ray of Matar" or not, political figure or not, tribal chief or not, is one woman. There were fifty-eight other people killed, and three hundred and three other wounded besides her. It is incredibly disrespectful to the families of those people to extradite that one man just because some person with connections is among the victims.
For the Matari to make such a stink about this is hypocritical, with all the demands of respect for their traditions and ways that are made on a regular basis. How about some respect for the other people who were injured or actually killed, eh? What about them? Are they somehow lesser than this one woman, to the point that it is unreasonable to respect the procedures of law where the incident actually happened?
As I said before, if this had happened in the Republic with a Matari shooter and it was a Federation official who had been shot, you can rest assured that the Republic would refuse any similar demands from the Federation because the incident happened on their soil and was perpetrated by one of their own. There would be no "sure, we'll give him to you right away!" Just a "no, we will deal with this, it's under our jurisdiction."
This was an event I went to every year with my parents when I was growing up, partly due to the fact that it was within walking distance of where I lived, but mostly because they felt it was important to expose me to other cultures as early as possible.
I would have been there this morning, with my mother, if I hadn't decided late last night that I really needed to go home for the first time since the 22nd of March instead of staying with her another day to go to the festival like we used to.
I know she was planning to go regardless of whether I stayed or not. I haven't heard anything from her yet. So excuse me for being extremely blunt about this: this is an incredibly ******** move on the RSS' part, and it's not going to end well for anyone.
Patience is a virtue. Unfortunately it is not as common as it should be. Morwen Lagann Director, Tyrathlion Interstellar |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1135
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:36:00 -
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Morwen: I hope she's alright. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Hadrian Tivianne
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:51:00 -
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Morwen sums it up nicely, and I too hope her mother is alright.
I was present at the standoff between the Federation and the RSS. There was a certain level of thickheaded responses from both sides and the tensions were certainly high until the DED arrived. I believe the best way to handle the situation is with a joint tribunal of both Federation and Republic officials. Let them both sort out the punishment for the one who caused this tragedy. My guess is that the desired punishment isn't so different between both sides. |
Christine Anderson
Sela Media Corporation
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:58:00 -
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Sources from Colelie report that a Republic Security Service task force jumped into Federal space there. After a brief confrontation with the Federation Navy, the Directive Enforcement Division intervened and the situation resolved with perhaps only feelings hurt. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
785
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Posted - 2013.04.11 21:11:00 -
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Christine Anderson wrote:Sources from Colelie report that a Republic Security Service task force jumped into Federal space there. After a brief confrontation with the Federation Navy, the Directive Enforcement Division intervened and the situation resolved with perhaps only feelings hurt.
Wait, so CONCORD stopped a Matari fleet after crossing a sovereign border unilaterally?
Wonders never cease. Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
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Posted - 2013.04.11 21:18:00 -
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As one who was present at the confrontation and who observed the war of words, I have grave concerns. One itchy trigger finger and disaster could have happened.
Maybe the prisoner needs to be held in a more neutral location while both sovereignties conduct a joint investigation. Military standoffs involving not just faction Navies but war-eager capsuleers are not a good idea. I have offered the use of the HAMRI Yulai office as a temporary holding location for the prisoner and as a meeting place for invistigative teams of both the Gallente and the Minmatar.
There were some there today who were itching for a fight. I am glad that it did not happen. Now, how to prevent it from happening as tensions continue over this incident...
"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri) |
Lucas Raholan
Agenda Industries
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Posted - 2013.04.11 21:21:00 -
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Christine Anderson wrote:Sources from Colelie report that a Republic Security Service task force jumped into Federal space there. After a brief confrontation with the Federation Navy, the Directive Enforcement Division intervened and the situation resolved with perhaps only feelings hurt.
Having been present I can confirm that following a standoff between the Federal Navy and Republic Security Services in the Gallente system of Colelie ended peacefully after CONCORD officer Odo Korachi successively resolved the situation and the RSS returned to Minmater space in the Bei system after promising Gallente forces that this was not the end of this. I'm secretly a unicorn that Sh**ts fairy dust and sings all day-á |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1259
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Posted - 2013.04.11 21:26:00 -
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Of course the Shakorite regime wants the perpetrator in their custody as soon as possible. It makes it so much easier to prevent them talking that way. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
602
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Posted - 2013.04.11 21:39:00 -
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As angry as we are regarding the attack on our people and as much as we want to have those responsible handed over, we do need to respect our longtime ally and give them time to investigate the incident and question the accused. Hopefully calmer heads will prevail and prevent this matter from harming Matari/Gallente relations. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
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Nicolas Merovech
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
20
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Posted - 2013.04.11 21:53:00 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:Here's the thing, Pieter.
This was an event I went to every year with my parents when I was growing up, partly due to the fact that it was within walking distance of where I lived, but mostly because they felt it was important to expose me to other cultures as early as possible.
I would have been there this morning, with my mother, if I hadn't decided late last night that I really needed to go home for the first time since the 22nd of March instead of staying with her another day to go to the festival like we used to.
I know she was planning to go regardless of whether I stayed or not. I haven't heard anything from her yet. So excuse me for being extremely blunt about this: this is an incredibly ******** move on the RSS' part, and it's not going to end well for anyone.
Patience is a virtue. Unfortunately it is not as common as it should be.
I pray your family is safe and unharmed, that the people wounded during this tragedy recover quickly, and that those who perished rest in peace. |
Aidari Flamesight
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:33:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Aidari Flamesight wrote:If the tables were turned and Blaque, Foritian, or Roden were killed by a Minmatar in Minmatar space, I'm sure they would be doing the same thing. What makes you think any of us give a **** about high-ranking politicians? There's no sense of interstellar kinship as amongst the Minmatar.
So if President Roden, on a visit to our Republic was shot, you and most other Gallente would be perfectly fine with the trials taking place entirely within our country? |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2013.04.11 23:00:00 -
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Aidari Flamesight wrote:So if President Roden, on a visit to our Republic was shot, you and most other Gallente would be perfectly fine with the trials taking place entirely within our country? Let us set aside for a moment the fact that I couldn't really give a damn if Roden got one between the eyes and imagine it was a Federation president I actually cared for.
No. I wouldn't be entirely happy about it, but I wouldn't breach the sovereignty of my closest ally by sending military forces across the border without permisison to sieze a suspect held by their law enforcement. Mane 614
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Narcisa De Fontaine
Core medical group
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Posted - 2013.04.11 23:01:00 -
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That's not the same thing at all.
The better comparison would be a former president, Foiritan. As much as I personally disapprove of Foiritan he's still a Federation citizen, and I don't pretend we'd be fine with it if it were the other way around. At minimum, we'd want to be kept informed, and some reassurance that everything was being done to investigate the matter. We would also talk to you, because that's what friends are meant to do at times like this. Talk things out. Not scream threats down the comm.
I don't understand why the Matari, of all people, are having problems understanding why we're not prepared to stand by while a fleet waltzes in through our borders to unilaterally snatch one of our citizens away.
Yes, I'm aware we're talking about a criminal. They're in custody at the moment. As Pilot Lagann has already pointed out - there's always a lot of bluster from the Tribes about respecting their culture and their way of doing things. Now is the Republic's chance to show us the same respect.
A crime has been committed inside the Federation, it should be investigated by our authorities and the perpetrator tried within the Federation.
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James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation
325
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Posted - 2013.04.12 02:34:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I advise you to surrender said terrorist, if you think he's guilty. The Matari will NOT brook interference in their reponse to the attempted assassination of a highly placed member of their society.
I know this is... uncomfortable... in a strictly legalistic sense, but your strongeset ally will NOT understand if you drag your feet on this issue! Foot dragging? Six hours is foot dragging? It is unfortunate that the former Tribal Entity, lets be honest its not longer a Republic, has so little respect or confidence in the Federal System. I know those of you in the State want to drive a wedge between the Republic and the Federation. But please... be a bit more transparent about it. If the RSS ships enter Federal space without permission they should be vaporized. "We are what we do." |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
826
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Posted - 2013.04.12 02:47:00 -
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This is an irrational and reckless move made by the RSS, making a request for the detainee is one matter, a reasonable matter at that, this is simply stupid.
The Minmatar have time and again asked for others to respect their traditions and customs, this is a time where they must return the favour and let the Federal justice system do its job.
On a side note I am glad to see Brigadier General Korachi back in service after the incident at Caldari Prime. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1335
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:29:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Of course the Shakorite regime wants the perpetrator in their custody as soon as possible. It makes it so much easier to prevent them talking that way.
Came here to say this, but you beat me to it. Live Events are neither. |
James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation
328
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:37:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Of course the Shakorite regime wants the perpetrator in their custody as soon as possible. It makes it so much easier to prevent them talking that way. An interesting assessment. It is curious why GÇ£theyGÇ¥ are so impatient to get their hands on the alleged perpetrator. Even to the point of risking war with those they profess to be allies.
"Crime when it succeeds is called virtue."
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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
151
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Posted - 2013.04.12 05:58:00 -
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James Syagrius wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Of course the Shakorite regime wants the perpetrator in their custody as soon as possible. It makes it so much easier to prevent them talking that way. An interesting assessment. It is curious why GÇ£theyGÇ¥ are so impatient to get their hands on the alleged perpetrator. Even to the point of risking war with those they profess to be allies.
It's in Shakorites' style of dealing with things. They prove to be nothing but warmongering brutes, over and over again; concepts of tact, protocol and justice are lost on such.
When you take into account that ms. Midular was among the victims of the attack, I think calling it an assassination rather than a 'lone crazy gunman incident' would be far more precise.
As I said above, it's Shakor's way of dealing with things. I don't see why his political opposition would be an exception in any way. - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far...
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Yarod Cool
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.12 06:30:00 -
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The Minmatar want to be the next empire to send a fleet to invade Luminaire? Some ally... |
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