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Waldo Barnstormer
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Posted - 2005.09.15 20:13:00 -
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Thank you CCP, and about time :) Heres hoping CCP keep the trend up and remove them on a regular basis :)
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YodaMasterJedi
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Posted - 2005.09.15 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: YodaMasterJedi on 15/09/2005 20:24:52
Originally by: Matthew
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: YodaMasterJedi I say start blocking hardware MAC Addresses of the users network cards. Of these computers they use, how many have built in NIC's in the motherboard? Renders that NIC and motherboard useless to connect to Eve.
It's not like it's impossible to spoof a MAC address.
Exactly. Many NIC's these days will actually let you set the MAC to whatever you like, as will most DSL modems, routers etc.
Unmasking the MAC is not too difficult, you just have to have to right firewall/sniffers built! Any tech idiot can type a MAC address in your DSL router or spoof the address on your NIC, but how many of these macro miners "farming isk" are going to be able to do that???
I'd put my money on blocking the MAC addresses!
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2005.09.15 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Summersnow
Originally by: Chewyguru I think they mean that its ok to run more than one account mining at same time. you just cannot use Stored commands or keystrokes to accomplish this mining. you have to actually take the time to drag drop your ore.
I think you misunderstood my point.
CCP's EULA states macroing is illegal but adds the disclaimer "if it gives you stuff quicker then you'd get without the macro's" basically
Since mining is and always will be at a set fixed rate based on laser speed an nothing a macro can do will ever improve that rate no ones breaking the rules as written here.
As they wrote it I'm thinking it'd be perfectly legal to sit in front of a machine with a good book running a macro as long as you aren't afk or mining more ore then you could "normally", based on the assumption that the afk part is what makes it illegal as you can not "normally" acquire goods while afk.
of corse u can go afk wile mining (ice) cause when your mining ice, with max skills and tech 1 ice harvester, it takes 7min to mine 1 unite of ice per laser. :P so of corse u can go afk for thoes 7min and then come back and drag the ore to the cargo can like normal.
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2005.09.15 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Hopey boy, i love how this game is run :D
ban them all! ban the IP's they are logged in from, and ban the credit card they're paying with!
won't stop them for long, but it'll frustrate the hell out of them, and that's enough for me!
thers a problum with youtr thing, what if a differnt person uses the same computer as the macrower does, and but the other guy dosent uses macros, so if they ban every account on that ip, thell be also banning the person who has never used macros
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Hydrocarbon
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Posted - 2005.09.15 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Hydrocarbon on 15/09/2005 20:57:02 Edited by: Hydrocarbon on 15/09/2005 20:55:09
Originally by: YodaMasterJedi but how many of these macro miners "farming isk" are going to be able to do that???
I don't think you realize the scope of the problem.
In 2004, Jonathan Yantis (one of the "big dogs" of the virtual items market) sold his business to IGE for TENS OF MILLIONS in cash and IGE U.S. stock options. IGE's Hong Kong subsidiary operates *dozens* of internet sweat shops, where banks of computers run macroed computer games, tended by a single farmer who gets paid piecework for the game credits he farms.
We are talking a US$400,000,000 PER YEAR industry. With figures like that, it would be a joke to hire some high school script kiddie to come in and do it for them. Think back to when you were in high school. If someone came and offered you $2000USD to come spoof their NIC addy, how fast would you have run to their terminal farm?
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Dakath
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Posted - 2005.09.15 22:10:00 -
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This ban of cheaters makes me very, very, very happy.
Thank you, CCP.
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2005.09.15 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 15/09/2005 22:19:52
Originally by: YodaMasterJedi Nice work guys!!
I say start blocking hardware MAC Addresses of the users network cards. Of these computers they use, how many have built in NIC's in the motherboard? Renders that NIC and motherboard useless to connect to Eve.
Not an easy implementation, but would work!!
A new Network card, cost around 0$....
MAC's can be spooffed.....
That is not an option
My problem is not macromining as such, but that the macrominers use starter systems to do their bussiness in. This brings on another problem for new players, no ore for them. So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
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Calderio
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Posted - 2005.09.15 22:16:00 -
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macro mining in eve is bad mkay
wtg gms
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2005.09.15 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Hopey boy, i love how this game is run :D
ban them all! ban the IP's they are logged in from, and ban the credit card they're paying with!
won't stop them for long, but it'll frustrate the hell out of them, and that's enough for me!
You can only ban an IP, if its the same everytime, most providers give a new ip each time you log on to the net.
So you can ban the provider, or a certain range of IP's but i guess its hard if the provider operates out of countries like Russia,India or china. So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
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Lokimon
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Posted - 2005.09.15 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Eris Discordia
Originally by: Hydrocarbon
Keep banning the sellers, as many as you can and as fast as you can...but you won't kill the problem until you ban the buyers.
Those also get warned and banned if there is a trace to them, please do not understimate the GM's they are remarkably resourceful.
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It is interesting how CCP and the mods look the other way when there is such a good propaganda thread getting attention.... |
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infused
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Posted - 2005.09.15 22:39:00 -
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Macro miners use to get perm bans right away... now they get temp bans... what gives CPP?
/me rolls out his macros :)
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2005.09.15 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich
Originally by: Hopey boy, i love how this game is run :D
ban them all! ban the IP's they are logged in from, and ban the credit card they're paying with!
won't stop them for long, but it'll frustrate the hell out of them, and that's enough for me!
You can only ban an IP, if its the same everytime, most providers give a new ip each time you log on to the net.
So you can ban the provider, or a certain range of IP's but i guess its hard if the provider operates out of countries like Russia,India or china.
That is a nightmare though, even in EU and US countries. You could easily end up banning the IP of innocent people.
Plus, even banning a static IP address might not be ok because there are communal residences with a shared internet connection. I'm a student; a friend of mine who plays EVE lives in a five person flat where they all connect via a router to a 4mb internet connection. If one of the other guys were to play and then macromined, and the IP was banned, he would be banned to for doing nothing wrong.
Problem with this business is 99% sure isn't enough. Even the famous Ming1-Ming18 (did they get banned?) were only 99% sure and as long as they stayed at 99% there was nothing CCP could do in good conscience.
Now it's just a case of developing better tracking technology for the future (like WoW has, controversially, suggested).
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.09.15 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: YodaMasterJedi
I say start blocking hardware MAC Addresses of the users network cards. Of these computers they use, how many have built in NIC's in the motherboard? Renders that NIC and motherboard useless to connect to Eve.
Not an easy implementation, but would work!!
Yeah because CCP see the MAC address...
Right?
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Tarack
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Posted - 2005.09.15 23:11:00 -
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WOOT wonder how many of the 300 or so i reported got the axe.
I have to post some real good coments from a very bright and Deffinatly higher IQ than myself on the topic of macro's. Normally id linkage, but in a beta and NDA rules.
MORON1 Quote: However, that is not really the point. The point would be to keep people moving through the game at a decent pace. Instead of having to hunt wolves for 36 hours to get your skills up enough to start hunting Bears, some of this tedious work could be done while you were offline. Likewise, rather than having to spend 4 hours everyday crafting items for sale, you could have your crafter do this while you were offline and actually play a more enjoyable part of the game while you were online.
Hehe simple fix Play EVE!!!! Next, MORON1 Quote: I have used macros in several games. I have bought and sold items. I would likely do it again if there was any tedium
Lol See topic, and ahh Play EVE, but dont mine then Next, MORON1 Quote: <edit due to NDA > mmm what games exactly did macroing ruin? the only thing that macroing hurts is that it takes server bandwith/space while the person isn't sitting at his keyboard. I personally can't think of a single mmorpg that macroing in and of itself ruined. Gold farming ruins games sure no doubts there but GOLD FARMING ISN"T MACROING. who cares if bob is sitting at his comp while his char makes 5 million arrowheads or casts 1million fireball lev 1 at < edit But its a Super ebil loot dropping MOB ).. I sure don't
ANyone care to tell him? I did and he said they werent. My list included, EQ1/2, swg, WoW, UO, AO, blah blah blah *cough* E&B *cough* ( same people got caught here btw WOOTERS )
IQ factor tanking Please stand by......
MORON1 Quote: I bought a macro program for the first time because my finger was too sore to craft. I have found it to be very nice to have. I took my blacksmith to 150 and I am now raising tinkering. It cost me more gold to use the macro because I buy most of my iron from a shop keeper and the shop keeper will only buy so many of my non stackable crafts.
Ahhh i feel bad now ... Now my favorite, and also after calmly explaning 3 times on what macro's do to this macro user .... now dont forget the comments above plz...
MORON1 Quote: THAT IS GOLD FARMING NOT MACROING GET A CLUE MAN!
Ahhh nm dont play eve, we dont want you
Ok so i guess im wrong and he only has good intentions, You CANT power level toons and or farm game items and cash with macro's.............. Im so relieved now... Im going to hide in my little system and try and get my IQ to return...
EVE RULES Enough said
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.09.15 23:21:00 -
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The best way to stop these *******s would be to stop the idiots who buy the isk from them on eBay.
Good job, nonetheless. ------------------------------------------- Sometimes, I wake up but keep on dreaming. |
Chokmah
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Posted - 2005.09.16 01:52:00 -
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I think ccp should reset macro-miners sp to 0 for the first offence that will f*** them up a bit seen one in apoc hope thay got him lol
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Rthor
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Posted - 2005.09.16 02:09:00 -
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I spoke to a conspiracy theorist about it today and he said: They did it after 15K record was set.
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Spy4Hire
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Posted - 2005.09.16 03:56:00 -
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A simple solution that will slow down massive macro mining:
A) Members of nuub corps are limited to 0.7 and higher sec. B) Members of NPC corps cannot go into 0.3 or below. C) Members of Pirate NPC corps cannot go into 0.3 or above.
Mining barges are not permitted in 0.7 or higher. Belts in 0.7 thru 1.0 are very broadly spread and contain relatively low yeild ores... requiring macros to move a long way between rather small rocks and that their haulers keep up... ect ect.
Player corps can declare war on NPC (non nuub) corps... for limited periods of time (1 war cycle with a 1 cycle lockout between declarations), but the cost is higher.
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Serpensis
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Posted - 2005.09.16 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Spy4Hire Mining barges are not permitted in 0.7 or higher.
Thats not going to happen unless they give more highslots or better dronecapacity on the barges. And, most of the macromining smegheads I have seen are in Apocs or indys, so that wouldnt help anyway.
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Brannor McThife
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Posted - 2005.09.16 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Spy4Hire Mining barges are not permitted in 0.7 or higher.
Let's not forget that there are Ice Belts in some 0.7+ systems... just how you planning on mining those then?
-G
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Holy Johanna
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Posted - 2005.09.16 09:26:00 -
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Can we have a marked color for them to report if they failed of the 2nd chance when we see them mining again ?
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.09.16 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 16/09/2005 09:32:00 Great work,
but wtf is up with the second chance ?
If you catcha single IP running 10-20 clients with macros on them out of some sweatshop you actually think that anything but a permaban and isp action will prevent recurrence ?
This involves real money, it's not a simple case of an unintended exploitage or something comparable. In Eve,macroing serves only two purposes:
-gathering resources faster and while away -making isk for ebay
If you can differentiate between the two, then why the hell is there a seocnd chance for category #2 ? _______________________________________________
Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues. |
AshrakTheWhite
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Posted - 2005.09.16 09:27:00 -
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thank god i never mine :D
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Solitaire Guillaume
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Posted - 2005.09.16 11:54:00 -
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I still see my macro-nemesis logging in & out :( Guess my petition wasn't included. I Feel Renewed Already |
Ankanos
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Posted - 2005.09.16 12:56:00 -
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great work guys, keep it up.. but you missed the 20 or so macros that have still been stripping my home systemm uemisaisen clean.. i know you guys are working on it..and its harder cause this group has 1 or 2 at the keys.. but but..work faster...;p
the locals and i have been robbing them every chance we get. after about 30min to 2hrs, they finally move a system or two over. -but they come back within 12 hrs, and definately the next day..
i had hoped a week of this would make them move elswhere permantly (or at least go to isanamo, macro miner central)
but they keep coming back...
if i get fraps of all the mining beams in the group turning on at once, would that expedite matters at all?
anyway.. anyone who wishes to help them haul their ore, convo me ingame and i'll give you the list of macrorers... i have about 30+ names now i think.. (yes, all have been reported already)
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.09.16 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: YodaMasterJedi ...but how many of these macro miners "farming isk" are going to be able to do that???
I'd put my money on blocking the MAC addresses!
I'm pretty sure if they can operate macros they are quite capable of following directions on how to change a MAC address via google.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.09.16 13:12:00 -
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If a GM can't manage to ban the correct account for the guy that was 'smoskefusedwithcycle' trial I seriously doubt they can manage to ban macro miners.
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Jacque Custeau
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Posted - 2005.09.16 13:27:00 -
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I hope this will ease traffic in Lustrevik. I was trapped in a station for hours because of 3 indies and a covetor sitting at the station exit. there was no way for my fully expanded mk5 to break free. I thought it was odd, and suspected it might have been someone's macro running out of sync.
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Littlekratos
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Posted - 2005.09.16 14:28:00 -
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with all these macro miners gone the ore prices go up XD more expensive pvp, and more cash for miners (jettison ore should be banned )
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Flax Volcanus
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Posted - 2005.09.16 15:06:00 -
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To you guys who've petitioned, how do you spot macro miners? I've been playing about a month and think I've bumped into a few (sometimes literally), but it strikes me that you have to be a pretty experienced player before you can tell.
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