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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.12 14:30:00 -
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this is a lazypost; if your answer was going to be 'read the guides', you do not need to type it.
so i have an alt account that i want to continue plexing but where i do not quite know what to train. i was thinking of maybe branching out into production. i do have some market knowledge, i do have liquid ISK and one of the pilots can fly orca and freighters but i have no clue what skills i need to train to get the whole deal going.
so here I am asking for advice: if you had all necessary resources except the skills to start a manufacturing business, what would you train and why?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4101
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Posted - 2013.04.12 14:58:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:this is a lazypost; if your answer was going to be 'read the guides', you do not need to type it.
so i have an alt account that i want to continue plexing but where i do not quite know what to train. i was thinking of maybe branching out into production. i do have some market knowledge, i do have liquid ISK and one of the pilots can fly orca and freighters but i have no clue what skills i need to train to get the whole deal going.
so here I am asking for advice: if you had all necessary resources except the skills to start a manufacturing business, what would you train and why?
I would train the production skills. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
926
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Posted - 2013.04.12 15:01:00 -
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well who woulda guessed. what else?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4101
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Posted - 2013.04.12 15:03:00 -
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I'm not sure what you are asking exactly. It's just too broad. It depends a lot on what you want to manufacture. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
926
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Posted - 2013.04.12 15:08:00 -
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the question is broad because i have no fucking clue yet. feel free to hit me with suggestions i.e. if you had an account with a free skill queue, several billion ISK and an orca/freighter char at your disposal, what items would you look into producing and what skills would you train for them?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Velicitia
Nex Exercitus
1359
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Posted - 2013.04.12 15:09:00 -
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1. Google to level 3 2. EVE Mon to level 1
edit for a less snarky answer: just look at a blueprint. It'll tell you what skill(s) you need to build off of it.
anything after those base skills (Industry I?) are akin to the support skills for any other field (e.g. gunnery) -- they help A LOT, but aren't strictly necessary to have in order to build things.
If you want to know what to build: - ammo - look at the market, see what's selling. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8 |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
926
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Posted - 2013.04.12 15:11:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:1. Google to level 3 2. EVE Mon to level 1
Quote:this is a lazypost; if your answer was going to be 'read the guides', you do not need to type it.
reading comprehension to level 1.
edit, thanks for the elaboration.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
273
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Posted - 2013.04.12 15:20:00 -
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Tau's quick guide to basic industry skills https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1145497#post1145497
That's for T1 stuff (most of it anyway). T2 and T3 need significantly more in the way of skills |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
926
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Posted - 2013.04.12 15:29:00 -
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ok that clears up the skill question. if anyone has any advice on what to build or where to get BPOs, feel free to help a man out. there's gotta be better options than ammo when you have a freighter at your disposal.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
1325
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Posted - 2013.04.12 15:41:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:ok that clears up the skill question. if anyone has any advice on what to build or where to get BPOs, feel free to help a man out. there's gotta be better options than ammo when you have a freighter at your disposal.
Really the only answer you're likely to get is to do your research on what to build, not unlike in MD. What's best to build will depend on your ability to get materials, what price you can get them at, where you're going to build, etc.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
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Posted - 2013.04.12 15:51:00 -
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this is a lazyresponse. i remember someone posting a list of profitable things to produce a while back. should be somewhere in the last 50 pages of S&I posts. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
273
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:03:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:ok that clears up the skill question. if anyone has any advice on what to build or where to get BPOs.
Download EVE Isk per Hour (or EveHQ I think has similar functionality), import prices, run the numbers, see what turns a profit. No, this isn't a smart-alec reply, it changes from day to day and region to region, you need to get very friendly with spreadsheets and calculators.
Where to get BPOs - on market if you want unresearched, on contract if you want researched.
p.s. Stay away from ships at least at the beginning. Fairly low demand, fairly low margin, high cost and the mineral changes introduced with the recent rebalancing have left many completely unprofitable to make.
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
926
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:22:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:ok that clears up the skill question. if anyone has any advice on what to build or where to get BPOs. Download EVE Isk per Hour (or EveHQ I think has similar functionality), import prices, run the numbers, see what turns a profit. No, this isn't a smart-alec reply, it changes from day to day and region to region, you need to get very friendly with spreadsheets and calculators. Where to get BPOs - on market if you want unresearched, on contract if you want researched. p.s. Stay away from ships at least at the beginning. Fairly low demand, fairly low margin, high cost and the mineral changes introduced with the recent rebalancing have left many completely unprofitable to make. thank you for your answer. assuming i start right NAO, is there a reasonable expectation to start producing (efficiently) the ships that have NOT been changed yet before odyssey hits?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
273
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:37:00 -
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Honestly, I personally would not recommend that a new industrialist invest in battleship blueprints at this point, I suspect the speculation has already started (BS prices are all over the place in my local trade hub)
Odyssey is about 50 days away, Training Production Efficiency to 5 alone will take about 14-16 days of that (depending on remap and implants), add in Mass Production to a decent level, industry and some trading skills and that's better part of a month. Doesn't leave much time to make and sell. Bear in mind if the battleships follow what happened to the barges, frigates, cruisers and BCs, once the expansion hits they're likely to be unprofitable to make for some time, months likely. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
926
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:46:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Honestly, I personally would not recommend that a new industrialist invest in battleship blueprints at this point, I suspect the speculation has already started (BS prices are all over the place in my local trade hub)
Odyssey is about 50 days away, Training Production Efficiency to 5 alone will take about 14-16 days of that (depending on remap and implants), add in Mass Production to a decent level, industry and some trading skills and that's better part of a month. Doesn't leave much time to make and sell. Bear in mind if the battleships follow what happened to the barges, frigates, cruisers and BCs, once the expansion hits they're likely to be unprofitable to make for some time, months likely. thanks again. I do realize that the investment into ships is long term, in fact i may or may not already have several hundred hulls lying around waiting for next winter ().
That is probably all i have to know for now, thanks again to all serious posters. I will now go ahead and take a look at BPO prices and skill queues.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
79
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Posted - 2013.04.13 23:59:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:this is a lazypost; if your answer was going to be 'read the guides', you do not need to type it.
so i have an alt account that i want to continue plexing but where i do not quite know what to train. i was thinking of maybe branching out into production. i do have some market knowledge, i do have liquid ISK and one of the pilots can fly orca and freighters but i have no clue what skills i need to train to get the whole deal going.
so here I am asking for advice: if you had all necessary resources except the skills to start a manufacturing business, what would you train and why?
This is a lazypost translation; " Dear S&I people, I am stupid and lazy but have isk. Tell me what is the best item to build so I can make more isk and continue to be stupid and lazy."
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
927
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Posted - 2013.04.14 00:23:00 -
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Mr. Orange wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:this is a lazypost; if your answer was going to be 'read the guides', you do not need to type it.
so i have an alt account that i want to continue plexing but where i do not quite know what to train. i was thinking of maybe branching out into production. i do have some market knowledge, i do have liquid ISK and one of the pilots can fly orca and freighters but i have no clue what skills i need to train to get the whole deal going.
so here I am asking for advice: if you had all necessary resources except the skills to start a manufacturing business, what would you train and why? This is a lazypost translation; " Dear S&I people, I am stupid and lazy but have isk. Tell me what is the best item to build so I can make more isk and continue to be stupid and lazy." trolololo this is a lazypost reply translation: "Dear S&I, please look at me! I feel superior to this person because i happen to know more on a specific topic and therefore conclude that I am more hard working and more intelligent."
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
79
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Posted - 2013.04.14 00:30:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Mr. Orange wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:this is a lazypost; if your answer was going to be 'read the guides', you do not need to type it.
so i have an alt account that i want to continue plexing but where i do not quite know what to train. i was thinking of maybe branching out into production. i do have some market knowledge, i do have liquid ISK and one of the pilots can fly orca and freighters but i have no clue what skills i need to train to get the whole deal going.
so here I am asking for advice: if you had all necessary resources except the skills to start a manufacturing business, what would you train and why? This is a lazypost translation; " Dear S&I people, I am stupid and lazy but have isk. Tell me what is the best item to build so I can make more isk and continue to be stupid and lazy." trolololo this is a lazypost reply translation: "Dear S&I, please look at me! I feel superior to this person because i happen to know more on a specific topic and therefore conclude that I am more hard working and more intelligent."
I am superior!!! Only I have access to the EvE market where I can find and buy Industry skillbooks! Skillbooks that have short descriptions on them.
I hope noone else has this type of access to basic knowledge, for I must maintain complete dominance in the EvE market for great justice!
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Mistah Ewedynao
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
401
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Posted - 2013.04.14 04:37:00 -
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Oh Hi.
Another guy who thinks he is gonna buy his way way being a Tycoon with Plexs he will sell (hopefully to my lowball buy orders)
Seriously, set up a simple spreadsheet and figure out when you can sell your plex's for a 10% net profit, and save yourself and us poor guys really in the biz (who will be going "Who is this latest new idiot that thinks 10% is a good profit?") a lot of trouble.
Yep, there is isk to be made, but if you think the way to do it to come to the forums and ask how, after you state you are too lazy to bother to learn yourself..well..good luck sir.
Oh yeah..skills.
Reprocessing......cause you'll be better off. Nerf Goons
Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure. |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
244
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Posted - 2013.04.19 10:06:00 -
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Dani, nobody will be able to give you a direct answer here. In my own experience, the best use of industry is either manufacturing to contracts (usually within the corp or alliance) or using it to bolster your trading (basically, buy minerals cheap in one hub, manufacture, sell item at another hub, while also hauling trade goods to boost your profits). Sadly for you, both of those require that you research the market constantly, as few items have stable prices over long periods of time. I could say "make invulnerability fields" (just an example), but everyone reading this would jump the wagon and the prices would drop within 24 hours. It also depends where you are. For instance, the 425mm railguns will sell fairly well in Gallente space, but don't bother trying to make them your main product in Amarr.
When it comes to actual production, you NEED Production Efficiency V (IV is passable, but just barely and profit margins will be tiny in best case scenarios) and I strongly urge you to have excellent trading skills as well, those help you boost profits quite a bit. Beyond that, it's all about buying low, selling high and using well researched BPCs. |
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