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CCP Rise
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:46:00 -
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Such an exciting week here on features and ideas!
We are continuously making adjustments around the new battleships, both based on our own assessments and on your feedback. This topic is partly the result of that feedback, and also partly due to more internal testing and discussion.
We feel convinced that in their currently proposed state, Amarr battleships would have likely caused problems for lower skillpoint pilots trying to earn a living in Eve. There were many avenues we could have chosen to address this problem, including a re-design of the Apocalypse, but we feel very happy with it's direction and wanted to keep it if possible. So, instead we are proposing the following:
-10% capacitor need for Large Pulse Lasers -20% capacitor need for Large Beam Lasers -10% powergrid need for Large Beam Lasers
This also acts as a continuation of CCP Fozzie's work on energy turrets during Cruiser Tiericide which you can look at here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155001&find=unread
Just like the Battleships themselves, public testing will be helpful in showing whether or not these changes are on target.
Thanks for all of your input!
CCP Rise |
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Jureth22
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
23
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:48:00 -
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first
good start,but medium/small ones also need a look regarding capacitor |
Luc Chastot
Gentleman's Corp
291
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:51:00 -
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Good, because it seemed as if the Amarr BSs were about to starve to death. Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
2267
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:53:00 -
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This is awesome :D
Way less cap need? bring on the abaddons! The Drake is a Lie |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
3576
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:54:00 -
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This is a great change, and something that we have been asking for for a long time. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Jezza McWaffle
EVOL Command
10
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:56:00 -
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Fozzie. I love you. Marry me or else...
*cheekily*
Maybe 15% bonus on powergrid reduction for Tachyons? |
Pertuabo Enkidgan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:56:00 -
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS@!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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CCP Rise
C C P C C P Alliance
430
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:56:00 -
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Jezza McWaffle wrote:Fozzie. I love you. Marry me or else...
*cheekily*
Maybe 15% bonus on powergrid reduction for Tachyons?
FOZZIE? FOZZIE?!
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
183
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:56:00 -
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Cap boosters will still be mostly mandatory on all laser (and hybrid) battleships, and all non-frigate active tanking ships. I don't have the mids for this. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
5285
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:57:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Jezza McWaffle wrote:Fozzie. I love you. Marry me or else...
*cheekily*
Maybe 15% bonus on powergrid reduction for Tachyons? FOZZIE? FOZZIE?!
:Smug: Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Jezza McWaffle
EVOL Command
10
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:58:00 -
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Sorry Rise xD
But yes thank you! |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
726
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:59:00 -
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Medium and small beams are still not at all viable
(Mainly because scorch is lol though)
BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Arline Kley
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
136
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:01:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:We feel convinced that in their currently proposed state, Amarr battleships would have likely caused problems for lower skillpoint pilots trying to earn a living in Eve
You mean "Definitely caused problems"
And 10% powergrid isn't really enough. Only drops a T2 Tach to 3735, leaves a minimum PG of 26892.. Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows |
Din Chao
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
210
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:02:00 -
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LIKE!!! |
Din Chao
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
210
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:04:00 -
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Arline Kley wrote:CCP Rise wrote:We feel convinced that in their currently proposed state, Amarr battleships would have likely caused problems for lower skillpoint pilots trying to earn a living in Eve You mean "Definitely caused problems" And 10% powergrid isn't really enough. Only drops a T2 Tach to 3735, leaves a minimum PG of 26892.. Lower skillpoint pilots don't use T2 Large guns. |
Bouh Revetoile
TIPIAKS
279
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:06:00 -
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What about medium railguns ? :-( |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance 24eme Legion Etrangere
107
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:06:00 -
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Finally! i approve of this. |
Arline Kley
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
136
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:07:00 -
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Din Chao wrote:Arline Kley wrote:CCP Rise wrote:We feel convinced that in their currently proposed state, Amarr battleships would have likely caused problems for lower skillpoint pilots trying to earn a living in Eve You mean "Definitely caused problems" And 10% powergrid isn't really enough. Only drops a T2 Tach to 3735, leaves a minimum PG of 26892.. Lower skillpoint pilots don't use T2 Large guns.
Given that I am arguing seperate points in my singular reply, I can see your confusion. Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows |
Loki Vice
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:09:00 -
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Is a good start, but you need to look at the ammo as well, as it stands only 3 crystals are worth using Multifreq and scorch/conflag. the other t1 crystals just don't pull their weight when it comes to doing well... anything, if you need long range and can't use scorch, radio is an absolute joke. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3938
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:10:00 -
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This is an excellent place to start testing, to see if any further tweaking (on an individual basis) is necessary, and dovetails nicely with the laser fitting tweaks for mediums size already introduced. Hopefully it will be on the test server soonish.
I know you are trying to take care not to make lasers easily mountable on other hulls, so this may get a bit delicate (I also appreciate that a Tach fit on anything other than an Oracle is supposed to be an all or nothing thing). To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3938
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:11:00 -
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Loki Vice wrote:Is a good start, but you need to look at the ammo as well, as it stands only 3 crystals are worth using Multifreq and scorch/conflag. the other t1 crystals just don't pull their weight when it comes to doing well... anything, if you need long range and can't use scorch, radio is an absolute joke.
Well, many of the T1 crystals do address one of the largest complaints, which is cap use, so it's a bit of a trade off. Perhaps a little tweaking there wouldn't be too much to ask for though. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Kethry Avenger
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
58
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:11:00 -
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Any thoughts from the proposal in the Amarr BS thread to make crystals more interesting? The changing them up to 4 range groups with each group having a thermal heavy crystal and the other being EM heavy.
This is a good start. Hopefully some Eft warriors can show how we still can't fit tachs though. Also with teiricide I think this is the final nail in the coffin of tachs having relevant benefits over other large weapon systems that fit on their racial variants ships and don't self neut. |
Regolis
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:12:00 -
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Ok so maybe my ability at math is broken...
Mega Beam Laser 1 40 km range 16 falloff 65 GJ power usage 9.00 rate of fire 3.0 damage modifier tracking 0.0153125 rad/sec FITTING 55 CPU 3250 Powergrid
425mm Railgun 1 48 km range 24 km falloff 21 GJ power usage 9.56 rate of fire 3.025 damage modifier 0.01010625 rad/sec FITTING 67 CPU 2200 Powergrid
ok so for 0.56 rate of fire and better tracking .. the Mega beam has 50% more fitting cost and 3x the power cost to fire... so lets reduce the capacitor on Amarr ships....
20% reduction in power use and 10% in grid is a joke .. took me less than 5 minutes to type this in even less to actually look at the data ... maybe you guys should
Reposted here from Amarr BS rebalance thread |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1155
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:14:00 -
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Taste the rainbow! |
Naso Aya
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:14:00 -
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Perfect.
I like the tracking bonus of the Apoc, my only question was making it useable.
WARNING: How will this affect the Oracle? The oracle is already ridiculously cap-stable with the 10% bonus per level, and fits even Tachyons very easily now. It's already a dominant laser platform, and the last thing I want is for this to simply encourage more people to fly an Oracle, as opposed to the ships it's supposed to be helping. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3938
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:18:00 -
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Naso Aya wrote:Perfect.
I like the tracking bonus of the Apoc, my only question was making it useable.
WARNING: How will this affect the Oracle? The oracle is already ridiculously cap-stable with the 10% bonus per level, and fits even Tachyons very easily now. It's already a dominant laser platform, and the last thing I want is for this to simply encourage more people to fly an Oracle, as opposed to the ships it's supposed to be helping. The Oracle is pretty much custom designed to be able to use Tach's (which is nice). I really haven't seen them in a dominant role among the other Attack BC's, but you could have a point I suppose. The extra fittings might allow it to start to over shadow some fo the others.
That is probably something that will have to be looked at closely on the test server. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
726
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:21:00 -
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Naso Aya wrote:Perfect.
I like the tracking bonus of the Apoc, my only question was making it useable.
WARNING: How will this affect the Oracle? The oracle is already ridiculously cap-stable with the 10% bonus per level, and fits even Tachyons very easily now. It's already a dominant laser platform, and the last thing I want is for this to simply encourage more people to fly an Oracle, as opposed to the ships it's supposed to be helping.
Which is why the Tier 3 "Nerf" should have included nerfing their fittings..
Also i'm quite sure an Apoc with scorch will still outdps an apoc with tachs at 70 km.. =/ (WHILE being able to fit things like a tank)
Seriously though.. Small and medium beams.. i want some =< BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Naso Aya
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:26:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Also i'm quite sure an Apoc with scorch will still outdps an apoc with tachs at 70 km.. =/ (WHILE being able to fit things like a tank)
Seriously though.. Small and medium beams.. i want some =<
With Scorch, yes, but the strength of an Apoc with Tachs doesn't come from being able to hit things at 70km, it comes from being able to (with the bonus, and aurora) hit things at over 150 km away. |
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:27:00 -
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Oracle: 8 Tach 2's and 10mn MWD leaves 232.23 power to spare after changes with no fitting mods.
New Apoc has 26250 Grid. Takes 26730 to fit Tachs with the 10% reduction and another 1250 for MWD. At least you can get by with one Ancil rig now? |
Johnson Oramara
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:34:00 -
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What? My eyes must be lying to me or are the lasers actually getting buff? With all these nerfs lately? Buffs in my nERf online? |
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