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Sundiata Arran
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2013.04.12 21:08:00 -
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I understand there are some problems with with Player Owned Stations, but is the rest of the business play good in Eve? For instance, is the research component interesting? I'm planning to make exploration my ISK-making activity, and I wonder whether I should get into manufacturing once I discover some blueprints. I haven't come to grips with the economy, to be truthful. For instance, I wonder why the market tab only tells me about prices in my region. Can't I transport my goods anywhere for sale? Or is it that communication ranges are limited? |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2357
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Posted - 2013.04.12 21:14:00 -
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I'm not sure what you mean by "business sim", but there are several very successful businesses in Eve -- a good number of which do not revolve around shooting people. I run one myself (on an alt) and have made several billion ISK with relatively little effort (and almost no skill points at all) involved, and while being pretty "small".
Market orders are limited to one region to encourage local trading, and thus differentiated markets, rather than one huge market focused around a single hub. If you want to check out the prices in other regions, you can use tools such as EVE-Central. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec FW operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Sundiata Arran
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.12 21:16:00 -
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Thanks. What business activities do you prefer?
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2357
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Posted - 2013.04.12 21:20:00 -
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Sundiata Arran wrote:Thanks. What business activities do you prefer?
Local trading and market speculation, cross-region high volume trading (faction ships, while I did it), gambling (as the house, not as a player), and scamming/separating stupid people from their ISK/valuables.
More recently, though, I just support myself through looting the wrecks of people I kill, plus the occasional faction warfare mission spree. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec FW operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1712
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Posted - 2013.04.12 21:20:00 -
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There are some characters that never undock from Jita 4 - 4.
There are sites and applications that make use of exported and cache-scraped data.
Example (there are many more): http://eve-central.com/ http://www.eve-markets.net/
Sometimes it isn't done for pure market trading reasons: http://goonmetrics.com/cargo_scan/
There are also Googledocs that import data. |
J'Poll
The Fiction Factory Tribal Band
2059
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Posted - 2013.04.12 21:42:00 -
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Sundiata Arran wrote:I understand there are some problems with with Player Owned Stations, but is the rest of the business play good in Eve? For instance, is the research component interesting? I'm planning to make exploration my ISK-making activity, and I wonder whether I should get into manufacturing once I discover some blueprints. I haven't come to grips with the economy, to be truthful. For instance, I wonder why the market tab only tells me about prices in my region. Can't I transport my goods anywhere for sale? Or is it that communication ranges are limited?
A.) What do you mean with business simulator?
B.) What is the problem with POS, other then the UI is just ****?
C.) You will only see regional markets because that's how CCP made the game. It also means you can do inter regional trading (buying in Region A for cheap and then move it to Region B to sell it high).
D.) If you have no real desire to do Industry (manufacturing OR research), don't do it. You will have to compete with specialized industry guys who can likely run industry jobs more efficient and cheaper then you can. So unless you just want to try it out a couple of times or you want to go and become one of those Industry moguls I would not recommend it.
E.) If you have no idea how the market works...be very careful. Loosing ISK on the market PvP is actually much easier then loosing ISK on the ship type of PvP. When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Professional Forum Thread locker. |
Nikolai Vodkov
Pro Synergy
44
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Posted - 2013.04.13 05:21:00 -
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I think you may be confusing business with industry. Industry revolves around research and manufacture, business is more related to creating third party services, shops, contracts between players/corps etc. More... businesslike? EVE gives you a lot of tools and freedoms to come up with all kinds of business dealings and ideas. I for example am the CEO of Pro Synergy, so far EVE's only franchise (I think). Run level 4 missions? -áIncrease your income and help new players earn ISK. -áJoin channel: Pro Synergy Pro Synergy is looking for dedicated Salvagers. -áWant to learn more? -áJoin channel: Pro Synergy |
J'Poll
The Fiction Factory Tribal Band
2060
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Posted - 2013.04.13 08:25:00 -
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Nikolai Vodkov wrote:I think you may be confusing business with industry. Industry revolves around research and manufacture, business is more related to creating third party services, shops, contracts between players/corps etc. More... businesslike? EVE gives you a lot of tools and freedoms to come up with all kinds of business dealings and ideas. I for example am the CEO of Pro Synergy, so far EVE's only franchise (I think).
You clearly never heard of:
Red Frog PUSH Industries.
You are not the only franchise around When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Professional Forum Thread locker. |
Beckie DeLey
Hyperfleet Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
444
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Posted - 2013.04.13 12:12:00 -
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Nikolai Vodkov wrote: I for example am the CEO of Pro Synergy, so far EVE's only franchise (I think). EOH Poker Somer Blink
Heh. The New Order Goodposter extraordinaire! You are welcome. Also, i am prettier than Saskia. True story. But don't tell her, little princess is sensitive.
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Litair
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.04.13 13:10:00 -
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Exploration is nice and fun, but the vast majority of sites that you find will be guarded by NPCs.. And to find the really valuable stuff, you have to go to low sec space or wormholes, which houses some pretty nasty NPCs at that. So basically you would need a pretty decent combat capable ship. Or a co-pilot, that'd work too.
I have been able to haul away with things worth 20 mil or so after spending a few hours in lowsec, without having to fire a shot.. So it is possible to earn some pennies. But not sure it's optimal as a primary source of income, unless you have some people to help you exploit the opportunities you find.
I will also say that it is the best business sim you can find, of that there can be no doubt! |
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Viddyi Dukima
Ship Spinning Inc.
26
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Posted - 2013.04.13 15:16:00 -
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Nikolai Vodkov wrote: I for example am the CEO of Pro Synergy, so far EVE's only franchise (I think). Business owner checking in. Is this the right thread? |
Nikolai Vodkov
Pro Synergy
44
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Posted - 2013.04.13 17:28:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Nikolai Vodkov wrote:I think you may be confusing business with industry. Industry revolves around research and manufacture, business is more related to creating third party services, shops, contracts between players/corps etc. More... businesslike? EVE gives you a lot of tools and freedoms to come up with all kinds of business dealings and ideas. I for example am the CEO of Pro Synergy, so far EVE's only franchise (I think). You clearly never heard of: Red Frog PUSH Industries. You are not the only franchise around
I have heard of them and used them on regular basis. I guess it depends how you look at it. In a way they are franchising their name to each individual pilot, I'm not sure if they take a fee for that or not. You can also look at it as them employing all those pilots in their corp.
Pro Synergy franchises a single office to an administrator who is willing to build it up, hire salvagers, find missioners, etc. That Administrator picks where and when to open an office and becomes it's owner. If you want to learn more about our franchise read: https://truestories.eveonline.com/ideas/261-pro-synergy-inception-of-eves-first-franchise
If there are other franchise corporations I'd love to hear about them. Run level 4 missions? -áIncrease your income and help new players earn ISK. -áJoin channel: Pro Synergy Pro Synergy is looking for dedicated Salvagers. -áWant to learn more? -áJoin channel: Pro Synergy |
J'Poll
The Fiction Factory Tribal Band
2061
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Posted - 2013.04.13 17:32:00 -
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Nikolai Vodkov wrote:J'Poll wrote:Nikolai Vodkov wrote:I think you may be confusing business with industry. Industry revolves around research and manufacture, business is more related to creating third party services, shops, contracts between players/corps etc. More... businesslike? EVE gives you a lot of tools and freedoms to come up with all kinds of business dealings and ideas. I for example am the CEO of Pro Synergy, so far EVE's only franchise (I think). You clearly never heard of: Red Frog PUSH Industries. You are not the only franchise around I have heard of them and used them on regular basis. I guess it depends how you look at it. In a way they are franchising their name to each individual pilot, I'm not sure if they take a fee for that or not. You can also look at it as them employing all those pilots in their corp. Pro Synergy franchises a single office to an administrator who is willing to build it up, hire salvagers, find missioners, etc. That Administrator picks where and when to open an office and becomes it's owner. If you want to learn more about our franchise read: https://truestories.eveonline.com/ideas/261-pro-synergy-inception-of-eves-first-franchiseIf there are other franchise corporations I'd love to hear about them.
As I had an alt in Red Frog for a while
Red Frog only has contracting alts. They are just there to accept contracts and then move them over to their freighter pilots (of which none are in red frog itself - for safety reasons).
And ALL benefits of contracts go to the freighter pilot. Red Frog itself doesn't earn money from the contracts, they get their money from donations etc. When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Professional Forum Thread locker. |
Nikolai Vodkov
Pro Synergy
44
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Posted - 2013.04.13 17:57:00 -
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J'Poll wrote: As I had an alt in Red Frog for a while
Red Frog only has contracting alts. They are just there to accept contracts and then move them over to their freighter pilots (of which none are in red frog itself - for safety reasons).
And ALL benefits of contracts go to the freighter pilot. Red Frog itself doesn't earn money from the contracts, they get their money from donations etc.
Red Frog is more like individual contractors, or subcontracting company, or independent contractors. Depends how you look at it. It's like some of the truck drivers in RL who work independently with contracting companies.
Pro Synergy is more like 7-Eleven, you open a store, you own it and only you get to decide it's fate. You pay fees to the franchisor etc. Run level 4 missions? -áIncrease your income and help new players earn ISK. -áJoin channel: Pro Synergy Pro Synergy is looking for dedicated Salvagers. -áWant to learn more? -áJoin channel: Pro Synergy |
J'Poll
The Fiction Factory Tribal Band
2061
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:26:00 -
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Nikolai Vodkov wrote:J'Poll wrote: As I had an alt in Red Frog for a while
Red Frog only has contracting alts. They are just there to accept contracts and then move them over to their freighter pilots (of which none are in red frog itself - for safety reasons).
And ALL benefits of contracts go to the freighter pilot. Red Frog itself doesn't earn money from the contracts, they get their money from donations etc.
Red Frog is more like individual contractors, or subcontracting company, or independent contractors. Depends how you look at it. It's like some of the truck drivers in RL who work independently with contracting companies. Pro Synergy is more like 7-Eleven, you open a store, you own it and only you get to decide it's fate. You pay fees to the franchisor etc.
I like RFF better...no money to pay someone else while you are doing all the work. When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Professional Forum Thread locker. |
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