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Bane Nucleus
Anomalous Existence Existential Anxiety
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Posted - 2013.04.14 00:42:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:
Nope. It's cool, because we boot each other out of space, or at least kick the reset button..... while ignoring the farmers that POS up all the time.
Meanwhile we sit while loot prices drop, while gas drops. Why should any entity in null buy from us if they can do it themselves? And since we're not making as much ISK, well not much to throw into the other.
This has always been your problem Bane... I love you dude but you only see 5 seconds in front of you.
People get their pos's removed all the time. This isn't some new to Eve. If a corp/alliance is worth a damn, they will rebuild and get back into the thick of it. Forget five seconds in front of you. Take a look through the history of Eve. People, corps, alliances come and go. Everything goes through phases. I don't understand what is so hard to understand about this. It's not the end of wh space.
Alliance CEO, Diplomat, Recruiter |
chris elliot
EG CORP Talocan United
163
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Posted - 2013.04.14 01:13:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote: Nah, just wait until the "w-space is dead" posts come in a few months- provided this trend continues.
For pvp? W-space has been dead forever. lol
Thats why I prefer to roam null for pvp. |
Vincent Gaines
Cold Moon Destruction Transmission Lost
357
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Posted - 2013.04.14 01:17:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote:
Nope. It's cool, because we boot each other out of space, or at least kick the reset button..... while ignoring the farmers that POS up all the time.
Meanwhile we sit while loot prices drop, while gas drops. Why should any entity in null buy from us if they can do it themselves? And since we're not making as much ISK, well not much to throw into the other.
This has always been your problem Bane... I love you dude but you only see 5 seconds in front of you.
People get their pos's removed all the time. This isn't some new to Eve. If a corp/alliance is worth a damn, they will rebuild and get back into the thick of it. Forget five seconds in front of you. Take a look through the history of Eve. People, corps, alliances come and go. Everything goes through phases. I don't understand what is so hard to understand about this. It's not the end of wh space.
As you can see, null has evolved into an awesome PvP playground.
Any new alliance fledging out into null must pay dues to one of the blocs, lest it gets curbstomped.
There was a mittani article on it. Not a diplo.-á
The above post was edited for spelling. |
LanFear TyRaX
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
22
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Posted - 2013.04.14 03:17:00 -
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Ash Alliance ... who ? |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Talocan United
226
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Posted - 2013.04.14 04:06:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote:
Nope. It's cool, because we boot each other out of space, or at least kick the reset button..... while ignoring the farmers that POS up all the time.
Meanwhile we sit while loot prices drop, while gas drops. Why should any entity in null buy from us if they can do it themselves? And since we're not making as much ISK, well not much to throw into the other.
This has always been your problem Bane... I love you dude but you only see 5 seconds in front of you.
People get their pos's removed all the time. This isn't some new to Eve. If a corp/alliance is worth a damn, they will rebuild and get back into the thick of it. Forget five seconds in front of you. Take a look through the history of Eve. People, corps, alliances come and go. Everything goes through phases. I don't understand what is so hard to understand about this. It's not the end of wh space. As you can see, null has evolved into an awesome PvP playground. Any new alliance fledging out into null must pay dues to one of the blocs, lest it gets curbstomped. There was a mittani article on it.
Hardly. Null only excist when you can fight against gangs. There is nothing fun about wars in nulls. |
Vincent Gaines
Cold Moon Destruction Transmission Lost
357
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Posted - 2013.04.14 04:14:00 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote:
Nope. It's cool, because we boot each other out of space, or at least kick the reset button..... while ignoring the farmers that POS up all the time.
Meanwhile we sit while loot prices drop, while gas drops. Why should any entity in null buy from us if they can do it themselves? And since we're not making as much ISK, well not much to throw into the other.
This has always been your problem Bane... I love you dude but you only see 5 seconds in front of you.
People get their pos's removed all the time. This isn't some new to Eve. If a corp/alliance is worth a damn, they will rebuild and get back into the thick of it. Forget five seconds in front of you. Take a look through the history of Eve. People, corps, alliances come and go. Everything goes through phases. I don't understand what is so hard to understand about this. It's not the end of wh space. As you can see, null has evolved into an awesome PvP playground. Any new alliance fledging out into null must pay dues to one of the blocs, lest it gets curbstomped. There was a mittani article on it. Hardly. Null only excist when you can fight against gangs. There is nothing fun about wars in nulls.
Wow that one went right over ya, didn't it?
Not a diplo.-á
The above post was edited for spelling. |
Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
907
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Posted - 2013.04.14 06:12:00 -
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There isn't a Talocan thread because no one cares.
Well, okay, the Polish community cares. They essentially did to Useless Idea what we did to Rover's corp a while back...overwhelming force against a weak target to settle a very old, personal score. No complaints from me. I've done it, and I can't argue it being done to my alliance in turn.
We did have three C5 groups rage-rolling to find the target system, and the one I was a part of managed to gain entrance, but we only seeded maybe half a dozen cloakies before their armada landed on the hole. There was no way we could have pushed through a fleet large enough to take on 11 Guardians, 7 Moros's, 3 Archons, and 60-some T3s (judging by what we saw on the overview). Excellent wormhole control by the opposition.
Useless Idea will rebuild and remain in wormholes (with additional help and guidance from the alliance they're a part of). We're an alliance because we stand and fall together.
(In other news, today we vented some of the frustration from this op on a few unsuspecting capitals: http://talun.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=17235144 ) Nathan Jameson for CSM 8! My CSM 8 Blog My Twitter |
Lenier Chenal
Anomalous Existence Existential Anxiety
40
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Posted - 2013.04.14 06:52:00 -
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It's like no one here knows what this is really about.
Short story short:
CEO of US3 was in one of the ASH Alliance corps at one time, and royally pissed off everyone in his corp when he came back from being AFK. He managed to insult the entire Polish WH community. Ash Alliance has wanted to burn down whatever WH they live in for some time now. They were waiting for an opportunity to do so without having to deal with blobs/any help. US3 has about 50 active pilots, so yes, they pretty much let this happen. They are likely to live out of low sec in the future. Perhaps the Poles will resort to camping their home stations :) |
Lenier Chenal
Anomalous Existence Existential Anxiety
40
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Posted - 2013.04.14 06:53:00 -
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chris elliot wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote: Nah, just wait until the "w-space is dead" posts come in a few months- provided this trend continues. For pvp? W-space has been dead forever. lol Thats why I prefer to roam null for pvp.
C5 and C6 space is dead for pew. Do you live in Sperggard? That's why you never get pew.
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chris elliot
EG CORP Talocan United
163
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Posted - 2013.04.14 07:32:00 -
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Lenier Chenal wrote:chris elliot wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote: Nah, just wait until the "w-space is dead" posts come in a few months- provided this trend continues. For pvp? W-space has been dead forever. lol Thats why I prefer to roam null for pvp. C5 and C6 space is dead for pew. Do you live in Sperggard? That's why you never get pew.
Lack of dumbsht epeen like this is also a nice plus for playing around in nullsec. |
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G0hme
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
84
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Posted - 2013.04.14 07:32:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:Where are all the "don't evict corps that pvp" guys?
They were honest about their reasons for doing so, I don't have a problem with that.
Shook Eelm's hand at Fanfest 2012 |
Lenier Chenal
Anomalous Existence Existential Anxiety
40
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Posted - 2013.04.14 07:43:00 -
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chris elliot wrote:Lenier Chenal wrote:chris elliot wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote: Nah, just wait until the "w-space is dead" posts come in a few months- provided this trend continues. For pvp? W-space has been dead forever. lol Thats why I prefer to roam null for pvp. C5 and C6 space is dead for pew. Do you live in Sperggard? That's why you never get pew. Lack of dumbsht epeen like this is also a nice plus for playing around in nullsec.
Says the Talocan sperg. |
Rek Seven
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Polarized.
669
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Posted - 2013.04.14 09:05:00 -
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You guys are starting to sound like all those whiny care bears in high sec, crying over being grifed and not being able to do your level 4's.
You are in wormhole space. Harden the **** up and play the game instead of bitching on forums. People do not have to justify their action to satisfy your fake sense of video game morality.
Well done to Ash and Tough to Talocan, hope to see you both in space soon. Is my bitter vet membership card in the mail? |
Marcin Silesia
Bean-shidh The Nameless Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.04.14 09:57:00 -
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All polish WH corp hate Nythyx. Many of polish gamers hate him to. His corporation is only one who cannot recruit on polish community website.
This is personal, not first time his all POS was burn and not last. |
Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
910
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:02:00 -
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Marcin Silesia wrote:This is personal, not first time his all POS was burn and not last.
I'm glad to know we can move past this as alliances. Nathan Jameson for CSM 8! My CSM 8 Blog My Twitter |
Bane Nucleus
Anomalous Existence Existential Anxiety
412
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:21:00 -
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G0hme wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Where are all the "don't evict corps that pvp" guys? They were honest about their reasons for doing so, I don't have a problem with that.
So it has nothing to do with eviction and everything to do with honesty. Good to know. Alliance CEO, Diplomat, Recruiter |
Sarodh
Probe Patrol Polarized.
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:29:00 -
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Dammit, i'm already late.
popcorn, eve is dieing, my 2 cts, etc.
See you on monday ! |
Cirillith
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:49:00 -
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Like Lenier said - we have a lot against Nythyx. I think on the other hand we have nothing against TU as W-space Ally - it's nice to meet you guys in W-Space, it's cool to have good fight with you or on your side. We used to be in the coalition - we know each other, at least we saw each other on some occasions (I was under your hole yesterday and my proteus was so slow at locking stuff ). Thats pretty much the essence of W-Space.
We will see in future as things will go on, who knows maybe we will even close out vendetta thing, who knows... but I know one thing for sure - CEO of US3 should stop pissing off Polish W-space Community. |
chris elliot
EG CORP Talocan United
163
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:38:00 -
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Cirillith wrote:Like Lenier said - we have a lot against Nythyx. I think on the other hand we have nothing against TU as W-space Ally - it's nice to meet you guys in W-Space, it's cool to have good fight with you or on your side. We used to be in the coalition - we know each other, at least we saw each other on some occasions (I was under your hole yesterday and my proteus was so slow at locking stuff ). Thats pretty much the essence of W-Space. We will see in future as things will go on, who knows maybe we will even close our vendetta thing, who knows... but I know one thing for sure - CEO of US3 should stop pissing off Polish W-space Community.
Ohh since I see a few people posting that seem to be in the know.
What exactly did he do? I can either never get someone to tell me. Or never get the same story from two different people. I'm honestly curious at this point, no troll. |
Lenier Chenal
Anomalous Existence Existential Anxiety
40
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Posted - 2013.04.14 16:03:00 -
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chris elliot wrote:Cirillith wrote:Like Lenier said - we have a lot against Nythyx. I think on the other hand we have nothing against TU as W-space Ally - it's nice to meet you guys in W-Space, it's cool to have good fight with you or on your side. We used to be in the coalition - we know each other, at least we saw each other on some occasions (I was under your hole yesterday and my proteus was so slow at locking stuff ). Thats pretty much the essence of W-Space. We will see in future as things will go on, who knows maybe we will even close our vendetta thing, who knows... but I know one thing for sure - CEO of US3 should stop pissing off Polish W-space Community. Ohh since I see a few people posting that seem to be in the know. What exactly did he do? I can either never get someone to tell me. Or never get the same story from two different people. I'm honestly curious at this point, no troll.
He was their CEO for some time, and all was fine. He would go afk for weeks or months to go play other games. The last time he went AFK, they replaced him as CEO I do believe. When he came back, he was very upset - demanded to be leader again, insulted his friends, insulted other people in the corp. It continued to escalate, with more insulting and more **** throwing. Around the time they finally kicked him/ he left corp, a huge amount of things went missing, so he's also accused of theft. I think the thing that really nailed the coffin were his threats afterwards - he threatened to siege every POS of theirs, steal their ****, etc. I think some other things happened with the Polish community in general, so you now have your current situation.
Poor US3 guys, they defend him, despite the fact Nythyx is still afk from Eve 90% of the time. My interactions with Nythyx were mostly pleasant, so it was really quite the surprise when I found out about all of this when I recruited US3 to SRS. last spring. As Trip/Max can attest to, it was a very tricky diplomatic situation at the time, because Ash was in a coalition with SRS, yet Ash wanted to siege a corp that was living in our main wormhole. It all worked out though in the end for Ash I suppose! |
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Mattalious
Critically Disrupted
27
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Posted - 2013.04.14 20:00:00 -
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SojournerRover wrote:
I don't live in a hole anymore. Too much lie to your face politics in WH space
...you must really hate the real world then. |
ROSSLINDEN0
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
97
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Posted - 2013.04.14 21:37:00 -
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People care about talocan united? who is Ash alliance? |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
1624
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Posted - 2013.04.14 22:47:00 -
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Ok, I must know. Who the hell are Talocan? |
Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
912
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Posted - 2013.04.14 23:24:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Ok, I must know. Who the hell are Talocan?
scrubs Nathan Jameson for CSM 8! My CSM 8 Blog My Twitter |
Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters Talocan United
113
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Posted - 2013.04.15 00:30:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Ok, I must know. Who the hell are Talocan?
Pretty much these guys who spend all their time trolling these forums. CCP please consider hats as a clothing option for our spaceship barbies.-á
Artist impression of what this could potentially be http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t66/ROBC5Z06/sithsig_zps86971c83.jpg |
Bernie Nator
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
554
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Posted - 2013.04.15 01:10:00 -
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Literally the worst players in w-space. |
Nurza Tzestu
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.04.15 01:59:00 -
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mmmmm scrubs, nice tv show |
Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
261
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Posted - 2013.04.15 05:38:00 -
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Since people are explaining our own history in here, maybe we do it for ourselfs (ASH / TNA / EOS)
Just to clarify - this invasion was not targeted as Talocan United as Alliance. It was targeted at one particular corp, or to be more precise: one particular CEO of that corp Nythyx.
What Lenier wrote is more or less correct.
For ASH part of this situation at least: Nythyx was our CEO back in a day, and after one time he "quitted eve because he had enough of it" I took over as CEO for a very short time. Just before he left he managed to irritate few key members, causing them to leave ASH. When he left most people was glad and was happy because of that change. Because of RL stuff I had to take a short break from eve (I was graduating at that time and had to finish my report) so I passed over the CEO to one of my directors.
Thats when Nythyx decided that he want to be CEO back. Since most of ASH players didnGÇÖt wanted him back as CEO someone proposed to accept him back into corp just as a member not as leadership, but it never came to it.
He decided that we stole corporation from him etc... and as someone mentioned forswore to burn our poses.
He started to harass our players, trying to get them to switch to his corp. Intimidate that once he is back (and he will be back) he will kick them if they don't comply.
Thats where we decided that we will burn his new corp WH.
There were also accusation of theft, but that is something I personally don't believe is true.
As we were preparing to siege his WH he was evicted by TNA (we will get to their part of the story shortly). So we started working to get him in his new WH.
Then one day US3 joined SRS. - our ally at that time (we both were part of larger WH coalition). Like Lenier said, things were very tricky in our relations because of that, and one day SRS. just left coalition and joined Talocan United.
So we started to work to get him in his new C2. Again he escaped us by moving to C5.
Around that time I started getting reports of him trying to plant spies in our corp. I also have testimonies from our new players that were invited by him to voice chat where he tried to convince them to turn cloak. He offered isk, place in his corp, ships that they will manage to get out, etc... for them to reduce our defensive capabilities (getting rid of our caps, stealing ships, etc...).
Since we still had unfinished score and added the insult of his current actions we decided it was time to finally settle the score and started planning with EOS and TNA.
For The Nameless Alliance:
TNA representaitve wrote: At early 2010 we were named Polish Mercenaries S.A. (today part of TNA) and lived in C4>C3. Our main goal was pve and pvp. It was a corp founded by friends for friends. At some point we were approached by guy named Nythyx who was ceo of a corp Worm Nation probably part of fresh founded ally Ash Alliance. He propose us to join their ally to create new bright future, we will kill everyone in wh and create a new world domination (almost exact worlds) :) in c5 hole (without skills, people, any idea and knowledge). At that point Ash Alliance did not exist in todayGÇÖs form, they had no past, and because of our plans for our corp, our ceoGÇÖs response was politically correct GÇ£we see a possibility of partnership but not now, we propose blue status and some further actions and we will see how it goesGÇ¥ - Nythyx agreed blue was set. Using the fact that he was blue, he used our desire to cooperate with Poles to draw important information about our corp and attack out POSes (november 2010). At that point we were defenceless so we retreated and rebuild our assets and corp (main loses were command ships and bs, t3 and faction were evacuated via carriers). Constant harassment, vilification, false accusation, bribery and other actions force us to proper responds. We burned his hole (february 2012), established contact with new Ash Alliance (thx Cirillith) and so on to this day. Of course he have learned nothing from previous lessons and continued his actions - nothing changed, he still tries to harass us, places spies in our corp, accuses us and so on. Many good players left because of his actions. So from time to time we try to remind him that he is not an world wide emperor, like yesterday.
I have to add to that that response we as ASH got from Nythyx regarding the reason for attack was that he was ridiculed by TNA. He denied accusations from TNA side on local that there were blue standings set.
ASH and TNA buried their grudges after TNA evicted US3 from their WH. And together planned the next visit, when it occurs. Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff? |
Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
261
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Posted - 2013.04.15 05:38:00 -
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For Exiled Ones... They were expelled from Ash Alliance by Nythyx himself...
EOS Representative wrote: Before Exiled Ones even existed, corporations Archaic Order and Unseen Nomads lived together in C6 pulsar with static C5 and became part of ASH alliance at the turn of 2010 and 2011 as a result of persuasion from alliance CEO - Nythyx. Of course our future was painted in bright colors, GÇ£The EmperorGÇ¥ has planned to unite all Polish WH corporations. We found out about their invasion of Polish Mercenaries a bit earlier, but it was explained that they were quarrelsome and has insulted him and ASH alliance. Soon after that we were evicted from our wormhole by Aperture Harmonics [K162] despite attempts to help us by our alliance. After that our two corporations merged to just Unseen Nomads and as that we were invited to move in to ASH main wormhole, and assured of plans to avenge us. Nythyx attempts to suck us into his corporation - Worm Nation [WN] has failed, and one day we were asked to move out of current wormhole and leave ASH with guns pointed in our faces.. and thats how Nythyx bid us farewell. Separation from the alliance gave us strength and motivation to create alliance on our own - Exiled Ones [EOS]. After WN fell apart and Useless Idea [US3] was founded we were repeatedly contacted with new proposals to cooperate with them in evicting Polish Mercenaries who by that time were in disarray. Of course, we declined every offer, that resulted in getting ourselves -10 status from them and a series of insults. All of Nythyx actions resulted in polish WH community to grow together in hopes of keeping us away from his impudent and destructive policy.
Current situation began with casual PVP at some random wormhole, this resulted in several losses for US3. In reprisal, inborn vindictiveness of some of their members pushed US3 to plant couple stealth bombers in our wormholes with sole purpose to hunt defenceless industrial and mining ships. It took a week to get rid of them (similar action took place a month back in another wormhole). Irritated by this several of our pilots went to US3 wormhole to face then in regular fight, this resulted in couple more ships lost for US3. This concluded our actions in their wormhole. After that TALUN fleet headed by Nythyx went to one of the least populated EOS systems to shoot customs offices.
ItGÇÖs quite obvious from Nythyx actions that he sought to bring whole TALUN into this conflict with his little corporation being bullied as an excuse.
This reassured our confidence in launching another campaign against GÇ£The EmperorGÇ¥ destructive policies.
PS To TALUN leadership - We really recommend you to kick this man out of your alliance, its just not worth tarnishing your name.
And those are testimonies of just three WH alliances that share common history. He managed to anger a lot of other small polish corps not only from WH.
It is worth adding that he managed to get his corp - first time in history of polish eve community - banned from recruiting at official polish eve community forum (eve-centrala.com.pl).
PS. his goal was to unite all polish WH community. Well he managed just that, with a small exception of himself. Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff? |
Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
261
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Posted - 2013.04.15 05:50:00 -
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pls delete Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff? |
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