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Baphommet
Sonoran Sun Legion Eternal Strife
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:00:00 -
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Hello forums
I'd like to get a ROUGH ESTIMATE of fuel requirements for a Player operated starbase. Every time I ask this question in-game I get only links to POS calculators or ''dude it depends on many things''. I understand that. But here's the thing: I've never set up a pos, I have the list of required materials, and I have a few hundred million isk to invest, but I have no clue how expensive it would be to keep it running. So my request is simple: Roughly how much materials would i need for X amount of time to keep a Y sized POS running with a lab or two, an assembly array and a few defensive fixtures. I repeat : I don't need exact numbers, just an idea. Alternatively, you can tell me how much ISK it requires rather than fuel quantities.
Thank you. |
Steve Ronuken
Cossette Moana
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:18:00 -
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Depends on the prices for the fuel. assuming a small tower, probably on the order of 80-120 million.
Take a look at the POS manager in EveHQ. It can run the numbers for you. |
Nor Aken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:19:00 -
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all answers you got were correct questions you need to ask yourself what do i need it for what kind of tower i need for this then calculate fuel usage for this
to do this all, use one of the pos calculators it's not a clear answer annybody can give you
i can say you 20m/ month and i could be correct i can say you 50m/ month and i could be correct i can say you 200m/ month and i could be correct
ps: two labs, manufacturing array and a couple defense things will probably bring you to a medium sized control tower |
Baphommet
Sonoran Sun Legion Eternal Strife
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:21:00 -
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Alright, I'll stop looking for answers here then.
(Diddnt I give enough information for an estimate???) |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:22:00 -
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I'm using rounded numbers, so deal with it.
for fuel, you need
Isotopes -- 500 ISK/unit Heavy water -- 12 ISK/unit Ozone -- 230 ISK/Unit Robotics -- 60k ISK/Unit Oxygen -- 220 ISK/Unit Uranium -- 9k ISK/Unit Mechanical Parts -- 9k ISK/ Unit Coolant -- 8k ISK/Unit Charters -- 1k LP for 100 charters
Stront -- 510 ISK/Unit (NOTE, you only need this if hte tower is in RF mode) Overall monthly cost ... that depends on the size of the tower, as it changes fuel needs.
Large Tower 324k Isotopes = 162 000 000 ISK 10800 Water (100% PG) = 1 296 000 ISK 10800 Ozone (100% CPU) = 24 840 000 ISK 720 Robotics = 43 200 000 ISK 18k Oxygen = 3 960 000 ISK 2880 Uranium = 25 920 000 ISK 3600 Mech Parts = 32 400 000 ISK 5760 Coolant = 46 080 000 ISK
total monthly cost = 339 696 000 ISK
1 large tower = 2x Med or 4x Small. I'm sure you can figure the maths from here on...
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Chichkata
Legion Enterprises Inc
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:23:00 -
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Caldari: Large ~310M Medium ~170M Small ~ 110M
These are rough estimates from my last purchasing of fuels. Basically Heavy Water is the fuel consumed for PW usage by the modules and Liquid Ozone for the CPU usage. Meaning that if you run out of either, structures will start to offline and if you have 0 CPU used (only guns for example) you need 0 L.Oz. The rest of the fuels (isotopes, uranium, robotics, etc) is consumed by the tower - if those run out, the whole tower goes offline, shields drop and you're fair game. |
Baphommet
Sonoran Sun Legion Eternal Strife
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:32:00 -
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Fantastic. Thanks alot, as i've stated before, i only needed an idea of the price.
Good day kind sirs |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:36:00 -
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Hi Baphommet,
The last time I had a look, the fuel costs for a standard (non-faction) large Starbase were around 440.000 ISK per hour. This might have changed though and it also depends on the isotopes the Starbase uses.
It shouldn't be too difficult to calculate the costs. The 'show info' shows for a pos also the fuel requirements per hour and from there you only need to fetch Jita prices (for example via Eve Central) to figure out the total costs.
Note that you need Strontium only for Reinforcement. Note also that you need the full amount of Ozone only when the CPU on your Starbase is fully utilized, same with Heavy Water and Powergrid.
Faction starbases use less fuel, require higher initial investment though.
There exist several good guides about Starbases, one you can find for example on the Evelopedia.
CCP Phantom | German Community Coordinator |
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Baphommet
Sonoran Sun Legion Eternal Strife
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:39:00 -
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A blue post? Now I'm just flattered. Thanks some more, I'll get around to calculations once I start organising my setup ^^ First i just needed an idea of the price range on those things. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
11
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:45:00 -
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Prices as of this morning for 30 days:
Amarr: 123 / 198 / 348 Caldari: 130 / 213 / 378 Gallente: 165 / 281 / 514 Minmatar: 124 / 199 / 350
That's ISK (millions) per 30-days for the regular, non-faction towers, small/med/large sizes. It assumes that you run the tower at full-tilt (all PG/CPU in use). Faction towers would consume a bit less, but have a payback of about 2 years due to cost.
While goons are having an impact on Oxygen Isotopes (Gallente), there's a bit of market speculation going on for Nitrogen (Caldari). Amarr/Minmatar ice isotopes are fairly quiet still.
In addition to the Oxytope price spike, the PI-sourced fuels are also going up in price. Enriched Uranium used to be 6750 or so, now it's closer to 8200. Mech parts have gone up about the same amount as well. Robotics have gone from 45-48k up to 55k. Coolant is up a fair amount too due to the spike in Water prices. For a large tower, you'll currently need about 140M ISK/30d in PI-sourced fuels (which is included in the above figures).
You should always have at least a 30 day stockpile of fuel for towers (on top of what is in the tower) so that you can survive events like Jihad, Hulkageddons, the current Goon Shrugged event or a week or two where you don't have time to haul fuel from a market hub. Two to three months of buffer can be a smart investment as it gives you time to stock up when prices are low and ride out some of the rough patches. |
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Tek Enetheru
Xenobytes Stain Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:46:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote: ... Faction starbases use less fuel, require higher initial investment though. ...
Are faction towers bpcs still in loot tables? Looks like it is impossible to get them this days. |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate ACE WRECKING COMPANY
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:15:00 -
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Open the information window on any tower. Look at fuel requirements tab. Multiply that by 24 and then by 30 you got yourself a monthly quote.
Medium tower is about 150m isk per month |
Souris Blanche
The Baker Street Irregulars
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Posted - 2011.10.18 02:07:00 -
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real easy way to get a pos fuel quote (and the fuel itself)...
send a in-game mail to Lady Patricia. She runs a POS Fuel delivery service in-game. Tell her you need a quote, and once you accept the quote she delivers 28 days worth of pos fuel every 28 days. This is what I did when I had a POS and it is, by far, the easiest way to get the right amount of fuel at the location where your POS is every month.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882525&page=1
The fuel she delivers does not include any Strontium (which isn't used up unless your pos gets attacked and put into reinforced mode) and doesn't include starbase charters (you can easily get these off the market or by running a few missions per month). |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.10.18 11:13:00 -
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Tek Enetheru wrote:CCP Phantom wrote: ... Faction starbases use less fuel, require higher initial investment though. ...
Are faction towers bpcs still in loot tables? Looks like it is impossible to get them this days. Nope.
Look for CCP Dropbear's post #204 in CCP: Why dont Faction tower BPC's drop anymore? |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.10.18 20:17:00 -
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Well, with the changes to PI that are coming down the pike, expect prices to jump a bit. Right now, PI-sourced fuel costs are in the range of:
Small: 69M Medium: 92M Large: 139M
(millions of ISK per 30 days)
So if fuel prices go up 50%, that's how much more your fuel bill is going to run each month (+70M for a large tower). If PI-sourced fuels double in price, you'll be paying an extra 140M/mo for a large tower.
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.10.19 13:41:00 -
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Prices as of this morning for 30 days:
Amarr: 151 / 231 / 392 Caldari: 158 / 245 / 421 Gallente: 190 / 310 / 549 Minmatar: 174 / 276 / 482
I think a lot of that is speculation though and expect the prices to drop slightly by next week. |
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