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Mei Sui
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.04.14 14:32:00 -
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FOR PUBLIC RELEASE
As of 12:00 EVE Time today, the system of Enaluri has been liberated by Gallente and Allied military forces in the Black Rise region. This follows several weeks of intense fighting culminating with the direct intervention of The Gorgon Empire alliance along side the Caldari militia in defending the Enaluri system.
Despite bringing in outside forces, it was too late to save the Enaluri system for the Caldari militia. By the time Gorgon forces intervened in the conflict, the system was already 50% liberated and despite an immediate counter offensive from Gorgon, the system was liberated that same day after the reported loss of over 1000 capsuleer vessels.
Now, Gallente military forces are garrisoning the system and securing the area. Even though the battle has been won, the war for the Placid/Black Rise regions continue. But with the loss of Enaluri, the Caldari militia has lost their northern operating base and are now redeploying to their rear areas closer to Caldari high security space. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.14 14:49:00 -
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As expected, gallenteans could not keep their word and occupied another system in Black Rise. So, anyone here left who would believe a gallentean?
Remember, the more gallenteans you kill today, the faster occupations on Enaluri and Nennamaila will be lifted! |
Aquila Shadow
Midnight Security Consulting
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Posted - 2013.04.14 14:50:00 -
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How can you liberate that which never belonged to you?
I believe the correct word is occupation. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword" |
Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.04.14 14:52:00 -
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Congratulations everyone. Was a hard fought battle, but we prevailed. |
Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
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Posted - 2013.04.14 16:09:00 -
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Words fail. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.04.14 16:16:00 -
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I don't know why we're calling it "liberated." |
Narcisa De Fontaine
Core Medical Group
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Posted - 2013.04.14 16:18:00 -
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Whenever I see that word, 'Liberated', I feel a little sick. The militias have ruined a perfectly good word for everybody. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.14 16:24:00 -
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Narcisa De Fontaine wrote:Whenever I see that word, 'Liberated', I feel a little sick. The militias have ruined a perfectly good word for everybody. It's not militias. It is just gallenteans. Eventually you will get used to it. |
Hadrian Tivianne
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.14 16:24:00 -
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It's certainly an interesting word to use. |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
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Posted - 2013.04.14 16:30:00 -
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My heart goes out to those Caldari now under foreign rule. You are not forgotten by your kin and kirjuunen. Hold fast; we will come for you. |
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2013.04.14 16:42:00 -
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Aquila Shadow wrote:I believe the correct word is occupation.
We prefer the term "conquest" ourselves ... mucking about with political double-speak was never our strong point.
Live Events are neither. |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
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Posted - 2013.04.14 17:11:00 -
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As least populated region in empire space, there's not really much to liberate in Black Rise anyway, other than minerals. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.04.14 17:25:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:As expected, gallenteans could not keep their word and occupied another system in Black Rise. So, anyone here left who would believe a gallentean?
Remember, the more gallenteans you kill today, the faster occupations on Enaluri and Nennamaila will be lifted!
If you were just going to turn tail and run from Enaluri to begin with, why pretend that you care whether systems are occupied or not? |
Bary Badrinath
Riders of Brohan
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Posted - 2013.04.14 17:26:00 -
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Quote:As least populated region in empire space, there's not really much to liberate in Black Rise anyway, other than minerals.
We certainly liberated many minerals from enemy ships. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.04.14 17:29:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:My heart goes out to those Caldari now under foreign rule. You are not forgotten by your kin and kirjuunen. Hold fast; we will come for you. I believe Nennamaila has been under Federation control far longer than it has ever been under Caldari control. In fact, all children under 5 years old consider themselves, and rightly so, full Federation citizens. |
Aquila Shadow
Midnight Security Consulting
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Posted - 2013.04.14 17:30:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:I believe Nennamaila has been under Federation control far longer than it has ever been under Caldari control. In fact, all children under 5 years old consider themselves, and rightly so, full Federation citizens.
Is that before or after their parents have been slaughtered by the death squads? -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword" |
Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
69
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Posted - 2013.04.14 17:38:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Scherezad wrote:My heart goes out to those Caldari now under foreign rule. You are not forgotten by your kin and kirjuunen. Hold fast; we will come for you. I believe Nennamaila has been under Federation control far longer than it has ever been under Caldari control. In fact, all children under 5 years old consider themselves, and rightly so, full Federation citizens.
That's blatant nonsense. The State held full sovereignty for twenty years before your Federation's encroachment. The station in the System, Wiyrkomi, the workers, Caldari. Perhaps if you want to attempt to smear the good name of our people, it might help you to have some facts to back up your case. That any child born of State citizens would ever consider themselves kakkushuugista, let alone five year old toddlers, is an idea beyond contempt.
You're a competent pilot, I'll give you that, but you have no place here in this game of politics. |
Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.04.14 17:49:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:My heart goes out to those Caldari now under foreign rule. You are not forgotten by your kin and kirjuunen. Hold fast; we will come for you.
I feel that we did it cause our hearts went out to those same people. Now they have a chance to become successful and know the sweet taste of freedom. As opposed the shackles and whips of the Caldari State. Blasters for life
https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com |
Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
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Posted - 2013.04.14 17:51:00 -
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The rhetoric is nice, but baseless. Try harder. |
Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.04.14 17:52:00 -
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[/quote]Is that before or after their parents have been slaughtered by the death squads?[/quote]
You mean the Heth death squads that rounds up citizens that seek freeedom and to improve their lives, and then blames the Gallente for the acts? Blasters for life
https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com |
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.04.14 17:57:00 -
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Anja Suorsa wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Scherezad wrote:My heart goes out to those Caldari now under foreign rule. You are not forgotten by your kin and kirjuunen. Hold fast; we will come for you. I believe Nennamaila has been under Federation control far longer than it has ever been under Caldari control. In fact, all children under 5 years old consider themselves, and rightly so, full Federation citizens. That's blatant nonsense. The State held full sovereignty for thirty years before your Federation's encroachment. The station in the System, Wiyrkomi, the workers, Caldari. Perhaps if you want to attempt to smear the good name of our people, it might help you to have some facts to back up your case. That any child born of State citizens would ever consider themselves kakkushuugista, let alone five year old toddlers, is an idea beyond contempt. You're a competent pilot, I'll give you that, but you have no place here in this game of politics. I will rephrase: Nennmaila has been under Federation control longer than Caldari control ever since Tibus Heath sent his Titan to invade our home solar system. The children of Nennmaila know what freedom is, and they won't be brainwashed like their parents have by "The State".
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.14 18:27:00 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Diana Kim wrote:As expected, gallenteans could not keep their word and occupied another system in Black Rise. So, anyone here left who would believe a gallentean?
Remember, the more gallenteans you kill today, the faster occupations on Enaluri and Nennamaila will be lifted! If you were just going to turn tail and run from Enaluri to begin with, why pretend that you care whether systems are occupied or not? First, little gallentean lapdog has no idea what I am doing and where I am going, mostly because of opsec. I travel between systems very often, and when I leave one system to enter another, and you call it "running away", this only displays your ignorance and lack of awareness.
Second, talking about "running away", today the only thing that were running away were gallenteans. Somehow when I appeared on grid near they they either run or dock.
But remember, gallentean oppressors, you won't be able to hide forever! |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
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Posted - 2013.04.14 19:42:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:I will rephrase: Nennmaila has been under Federation control longer than Caldari control ever since Tibus Heath sent his Titan to invade our home solar system. The children of Nennmaila know what freedom is, and they won't be brainwashed like their parents have by "The State".
Nonsense. Ask the Minmatar how many generations it takes before an enslaved people forget how to be free - there isn't time enough between now and the heat-death of the universe. Freedom isn't a ship you can destroy or a planet you can occupy - it is an idea you can't control.
So fine, you won the battle in space. Your fleet was larger and your militia was better organised. But a tyrant always sleeps uneasily and the subservience that he beats from his subjects is always layered thinly over a base of contempt and hatred. Swagger while you can, little man. Liberty will return to Enaluri. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.04.14 19:50:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:
But remember, gallentean oppressors, you won't be able to hide forever!
You would be the expert on hiding. I'm sure the next time I see you in space I can expect to see more kitey faggotry before you engage the cloak on your Hookbill. |
Xao Chu-Li
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.14 20:25:00 -
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Before I begin, I will make it clear that I love and support the Federation and its ideals.
With that said, calling this military occupation a "liberation" is an affront to a word that means so much to the Federation. A liberation would require the residents of the system being relieved of a subjugation holding them against their will; in the case of a foreign occupation, an illegitimate despot or a captivity. A liberation would require that those suffering under such circumstances cried out for assistance or sought freedom from their oppression.
None of this is the case with those citizens of Enaluri. The citizens of Enaluri were rightful citizens of the Caldari State, a legitimately recognized governing authority.
This is a military conquest, a conquering of foreign assets and territory. Do not profane the purity of liberation by turning it into a quaint political justification for military conquest. Do not cheapen the integrity of the soldiers fighting on both sides of the war by blatant dishonesty. |
Makkal Hanaya
Hanaya Deferment Co
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Posted - 2013.04.14 20:39:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:In fact, all children under 5 years old consider themselves, and rightly so, full Federation citizens. This is something of a mind-boggling statement.
How many children under 5 understand the concepts and implications of citizenship? Or can understand the politics, history, and culture of their home region enough to decide which government claiming authority in the region is legitimate?
Even if every child under 5 considered themselves Federal citizens, in political matters one looks to adults. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.04.14 21:09:00 -
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Disgusting. This entire thread is disgusting. Shosho Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Diplomat ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |
Hadrian Tivianne
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.14 21:13:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:X Gallentius wrote:In fact, all children under 5 years old consider themselves, and rightly so, full Federation citizens. This is something of a mind-boggling statement. How many children under 5 understand the concepts and implications of citizenship? Or can understand the politics, history, and culture of their home region enough to decide which government claiming authority in the region is legitimate? Even if every child under 5 considered themselves Federal citizens, in political matters one looks to adults. A conquering force will use anything to make their claims sound legitimate, regardless of how silly it sounds.
I'm just confused on the point at which it makes sense to conquer territory that isn't yours as opposed to defending the territory that is. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1341
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Posted - 2013.04.14 22:12:00 -
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Phox Jorkarzul wrote:You mean the Heth death squads that rounds up citizens that seek freeedom and to improve their lives, and then blames the Gallente for the acts?
No, he meant the Black Eagle death squads that rounds up citizens that seek freedom and to improve their lives, and then blames the Caldari for the acts.
Live Events are neither. |
BloodBird
Mixed Metaphor
140
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Posted - 2013.04.14 22:14:00 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:I don't know why we're calling it "liberated."
Because they are hypocrites. The Caldari saw fit to call the annexation and subjugation of my home-region a "campaign of liberation" years ago, and the FEDEF forces of the time derided them for this. Today, just like any other day, the term is still used where it does not fit for a variety of reasons, and many play along because yes, they are just that pety.
Your original announcement about not capturing systems in Black Rise was foolish, it was bound to fail, and the way Soter just washed his hands of it once the going got a little thougher is even more foolish. I did not expect much better from him and I was not let down. Imagine that. Soter is the single negative factor I know of regarding the Villore Accords, his continued position of power in the alliance is detremental to it's otherwise good reputation. Regardless...
You should get used to this kind of terminology. It's very standard, used in liberal quantities by anyone in any militia regardless of accuracy. It is increadibly annoying, but what can we do, other than use the proper terms ourselves?
On that note, congratulations to the FEDEF for their annexation of Enaluri. You sure seem to have fough hard for it.
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