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Tobias Annages
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.15 11:03:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/blood-raiders-pillage-religious-site-on-saikamon/
Oyonata GÇô A religious site under the protection of the Kador Family was assaulted and pillaged by the Blood Raiders on the evening of the 12th. Numerous religious relics were taken by the Blood Raiders, while others were destroyed or defaced by the pirate cartel. |
Toluijin Chagangan
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
92
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Posted - 2013.04.15 11:06:00 -
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Tobias, you should probably reword that last sentence fragment.
pirate cartel sounds a little tame for a genocidal blood obsessed religious cult.
Seven Tribes. One Matari People. |
kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
220
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:38:00 -
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Well the blood thing doesn't bother me, the genocidal obsessed religious cult is pretty much the amarr to begin with. They are quite reasonable in their own way, we have a blood for blood deal going. Except we expect our blood to be present in the freed slaves. Blood raiders aren't above settling for just the blood, although they prefer them alive n kicking too.
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Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
835
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:49:00 -
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If ever there was something I agree with the Amarr on, the Blood Raiders are that thing.
Hopefully they one day will all face justice. Or they'll all die, which, come to think of it, is precisely the justice they deserve. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Sepherim
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
371
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Posted - 2013.04.15 13:18:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:If ever there was something I agree with the Amarr on, the Blood Raiders are that thing.
Hopefully they one day will all face justice. Or they'll all die, which, come to think of it, is precisely the justice they deserve.
They will, I guarantee it to you. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Ensign Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
152
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Posted - 2013.04.15 13:38:00 -
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A scourge almost as bad as the Sansha's Nation, I agree all Blooders should be put to sleep like the rabid dogs they are. However, I don't see why this is relevant in any way; let the fools play with their newly acquired trinkets.
The fact that the appointed Kador guard was not present at the site is what should be the main topic. It is well known a large number of House Kador's vassal Holders are closet Sabik. Maybe it's about time something should be done about that.
- Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far...
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Xao Chu-Li
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.04.15 13:46:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote: The fact that the appointed Kador guard was not present at the site is what should be the main topic. It is well known a large number of House Kador's vassal Holders are closet Sabik. Maybe it's about time something should be done about that.
Is it well known?
I would think the larger issue (though this is only my perspective) is that the security was lacking in part due to the decree of the Empress. The Kador Family has appeared to be in compliance with all mandates and decrees of the throne pertaining to the security of its holdings during these celebrations, the latest of which was to remove Caldari mercenary security forces by decree of the Empress. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
152
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Posted - 2013.04.15 14:03:00 -
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Xao Chu-Li wrote:Leopold Caine wrote: The fact that the appointed Kador guard was not present at the site is what should be the main topic. It is well known a large number of House Kador's vassal Holders are closet Sabik. Maybe it's about time something should be done about that.
Is it well known? I would think the larger issue (though this is only my perspective) is that the security was lacking in part due to the decree of the Empress.
Quote:Normally a contingent of three-hundred members of the Kador Family Guard protect it, but they had been reassigned to duty in the Kador home worlds following the outbreak of revelry amongst the Family's vassals over recent weeks. A smaller detachment of the Imperial Guard, hired by the Kador Family at the recommendation of Empress Jamyl I, had been assigned to temporarily protect the site, but was apparently unable to hold off the attackers.
Quite well known. I don't mean to sound condescending, but having to deal with such all the way from Zinoo to Mod and living two stellar jumps from the border of Kador holdings, I'd think I'm a bit more familiar with the situation than a Federal Navy Academy... well, whatever your position there is. Of course, I can imagine the situation in the Bleak Lands itself even worse, given that it's a Kador enclave and that the Bleak Lands have a... history with the Blood Raiders. A lot of the Holders there pay mere lip service to the Empire.
In any case, let's get back to the topic. If you re-read the news article again carefully, you'll notice that the security was enforced due to the Empress' decree, while Kador guard was busy sorting out the 'revelry' of... oh look, what a surprise. House Kador's vassal Holders.
- Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far...
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Xao Chu-Li
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.04.15 14:07:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote: Quite well known. I don't mean to sound condescending, but having to deal with such all the way from Zinoo to Mod and living two stellar jumps from the border of Kador holdings, I'd think I'm a bit more familiar with the situation than a Federal Navy Academy... well, whatever your position there is.
Of course you would be more familiar with it, that is why I asked rather than asserted that you were incorrect. I appreciate the context and confirmation, though I was hoping other parties would attest to the commonality of this knowledge.
Leopold Caine wrote:In any case, let's get back to the topic. If you re-read the news article again carefully, you'll notice that the security was enforced due to the Empress' decree, while Kador guard was busy sorting out the 'revelry' of... oh look, what a surprise. House Kador's vassal Holders.
I was expressly referring to this decree in which the Empress demanded the removal of Caldari mercenary security forces that, according to the report itself, were doing quite an effective job of maintaining security at the time. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
792
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Posted - 2013.04.15 15:25:00 -
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These Holy Relics are now in more deserving hands, where they can be properly respected and revered by the faithful.
This is a good thing.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
114
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Posted - 2013.04.15 15:57:00 -
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Despite indications that this revelry is religious in nature, 'an outbreak of revelry' continues to sound like civil unrest. That it is having this strong an impact on security -- with natural opportunism by cultists -- is also worrisome.
Hm. |
Esna Pitoojee
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
262
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Posted - 2013.04.15 17:25:00 -
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Mr. Chu-Li, you should be advised that you are speaking to an agent of the Cartel who spent some time running around pretending to be a Holder. During this he regularly accused his enemies of being tied to various unsavory elements while presenting no evidence and furiously denying the considerable bulk of evidence regarding his own affiliation with the Cartel.
In other words, take what he says with a grain of salt. Or several. Or a freighter's worth. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
135
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Posted - 2013.04.15 17:35:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:These Holy Relics are now in more deserving hands, where they can be properly respected and revered by the faithful.
This is a good thing.
Properly respected and revered by the faithful? There is nothing proper or faithful about the Sani Sabik. You are heretics, and will face only the wrath of God for your sacrilege.
Makoto Priano wrote:Despite indications that this revelry is religious in nature, 'an outbreak of revelry' continues to sound like civil unrest. That it is having this strong an impact on security -- with natural opportunism by cultists -- is also worrisome.
Hm.
If it was civil unrest, it would be stated to be civil unrest. |
Xao Chu-Li
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.04.15 17:39:00 -
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You have my utmost appreciation for your warning, Lord Pitoojee. May you walk forever in wisdom.
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
116
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Posted - 2013.04.15 18:07:00 -
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Ms. Kernher; duly noted. I suppose I just remain mystified by this revelry. I may have come to the -- demonstrably false -- view that Amarrian religion was austere in nature, with revelry considered a sinful indulgence. I'm familiar with the concept of intercalary days as a sort of jubilee, but...
Well, I suppose it'll remain opaque to me. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
152
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Posted - 2013.04.15 18:08:00 -
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Xao Chu-Li wrote:You have my utmost appreciation for your warning, Lord Pitoojee. May you walk forever in wisdom.
Msr. Chu-Li, you should be advised that you are speaking to a person pretending to be a Holder whilst openly keeping friends with Sansha, Blood Raiders and other pirate groups, under the pretense of serving the Amarr Navy in its corrupt militia. During this he regularly accused me of various things and lies, trying to smear my good name and reputation for the sake of some personal grudge he holds against me I suppose, and furiously denying the considerable bulk of evidence regarding his own criminal background.
In other words, take what he says with a grain of salt. Or several. Or a freighter's worth.
Xao Chu-Li wrote:I was expressly referring to this decree in which the Empress demanded the removal of Caldari mercenary security forces that, according to the report itself, were doing quite an effective job of maintaining security at the time.
That's a matter of protocol, of course. I can understand the Empress' desire to make things per that decree, otherwise it would be a rather harsh faux pas, on her behalf. You sometimes have to choose less of two evils, and unfortunately this time the Sabik took advantage of it.
- Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far...
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
208
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Posted - 2013.04.15 18:09:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:If ever there was something I agree with the Amarr on, the Blood Raiders are that thing.
Hopefully they one day will all face justice. Or they'll all die, which, come to think of it, is precisely the justice they deserve.
Boo.
And to think I went shopping with you that time.
Boo.
boo
booooo |
Sepherim
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
371
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Posted - 2013.04.15 18:11:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Ms. Kernher; duly noted. I suppose I just remain mystified by this revelry. I may have come to the -- demonstrably false -- view that Amarrian religion was austere in nature, with revelry considered a sinful indulgence. I'm familiar with the concept of intercalary days as a sort of jubilee, but...
Well, I suppose it'll remain opaque to me.
The key issue when it comes to amarrian religion is being appropriate. There are places and times where you have to be austere, silent, thoughtful; there are others in which the joy of a shared religion can be made manifest in the joy of the brotherhood that it implies, such as this is the case, and joy must be celebrated in an appropriate manner. The sin arrises not on being one way or another in the appropriate moment, but in being so in the wrong moments or in the wrong ways.
Of course, there are things that are always wrong, like murder, blood drinking, and other heretic rituals. Or attacking a religious celebration to steal relics. Guess we'll have to make the Blood Raiders atone for those sins under laser fire. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Ensign Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
116
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Posted - 2013.04.15 18:20:00 -
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Duly noted, Sepherim; as before, thank you for your thoughts on this matter. I suspect this is why the State and the Empire remain close, despite significant doctrinal differences. Decorum and a mind for appropriateness of action suit both our cultures. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
136
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Posted - 2013.04.15 18:22:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Ms. Kernher; duly noted. I suppose I just remain mystified by this revelry. I may have come to the -- demonstrably false -- view that Amarrian religion was austere in nature, with revelry considered a sinful indulgence. I'm familiar with the concept of intercalary days as a sort of jubilee, but...
Well, I suppose it'll remain opaque to me.
Joy and happiness exist in the Empire, despite common misconceptions. Celebration and jubilation are not sinful on their own--only certain acts undertaken during such celebrations would be sinful. While I expect that some such acts are certainly going on, and that such an event gives encourages it, that does not make the entire event civil unrest. Such individuals are simply weak in their faith, and will be punished for their misdoings. |
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Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
858
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Posted - 2013.04.16 00:51:00 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Ava Starfire wrote:If ever there was something I agree with the Amarr on, the Blood Raiders are that thing.
Hopefully they one day will all face justice. Or they'll all die, which, come to think of it, is precisely the justice they deserve. Boo. And to think I went shopping with you that time. Boo. boo booooo
Pretty sure you neglected to tell me about those of your faith who hang people from hooks to collect blood as they bleed to death. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Zakar Shazih
Blood Seraphim
7
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Posted - 2013.04.16 09:24:00 -
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Excellent news.The artifacts are now in the rightful place with those following the one true faith. _____________________________________________________ Power is not something that is granted - it is something to be taken. Your future-áawaits....................................join channel "Sani Sabik" |
Bai'xao Meiyi
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2013.04.21 15:57:00 -
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Hopefully, this'll teach the Amarr to not skimp on security quite as much as they do.
I'm glad the relics are now in the hands of the one true faith, even if I have quibbles with the sect. Congratulations to the Sabik that fought long and hard for the repossession of the artifacts. I'm sure we'll take much better care of them then the Amarrians did. |
Drake Arson
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
19
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Posted - 2013.04.21 18:31:00 -
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Drake Arson
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
19
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Posted - 2013.04.21 18:31:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:You have my utmost appreciation for your warning, Lord Pitoojee. May you walk forever in wisdom.
Msr. Chu-Li, you should be advised that you are speaking to a person pretending to be a Holder whilst openly keeping friends with Sansha, Blood Raiders and other pirate groups, under the pretense of serving the Amarr Navy in its corrupt militia. During this he regularly accused me of various things and lies, trying to smear my good name and reputation for the sake of some personal grudge he holds against me I suppose, and furiously denying the considerable bulk of evidence regarding his own criminal background.
In other words, take what he says with a grain of salt. Or several. Or a freighter's worth.
No. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
732
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Posted - 2013.04.21 21:55:00 -
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So much needless fighting and chaos over but a few statues, garments, and other rather useless items that only have as much meaning as you give it.
I do feel bad for the Amarr though. Unlike organized and somewhat less creepy religions, cults don't last too long either losing their popularity overtime or committing mass suicide so their souls can be saved by a Jovian Mothership.
Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
811
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Posted - 2013.04.22 02:42:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote: I do feel bad for the Amarr though. Unlike organized and somewhat less creepy religions, cults don't last too long either losing their popularity overtime or committing mass suicide so their souls can be saved by a Jovian Mothership.
We were doing our holy work a few thousand years before your federation was even a whisper.
We will be doing our work after you are dead and forgotten. Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
68
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Posted - 2013.04.22 08:13:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote: I do feel bad for the Amarr though. Unlike organized and somewhat less creepy religions, cults don't last too long either losing their popularity overtime or committing mass suicide so their souls can be saved by a Jovian Mothership.
We were doing our holy work a few thousand years before your federation was even a whisper. We will be doing our work after you are dead and forgotten.
Aside from the obvious caveats, I suppose I could even look forward to this Gallantean cult of freedom finishing itself off in a mass suicide. The blessed reduction of idiocy of this manner just might reduce the bitterness of having to share a common cause of jubilation with some heretics, palatable.
I will offer my congratulations for a game well played, even if in a much too vulgar in style to my taste.
M.K.C Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen,-áGod keep us from-áfalling-áprey to their weaknesses. |
Uriel Khaden
Hedion University Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.04.22 09:52:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:So much needless fighting and chaos over but a few statues, garments, and other rather useless items that only have as much meaning as you give it.
For a people that constantly espouse freedom, liberty and cultural understanding; an alarming number of Gallente express complete disregard for the cultural points and intricacies of others, even their own allies.
It is disheartening to see these relics perverted by the hands of Blood Raider heretics. There will come a time when the righteous reclaim them, I only pray they are not defiled beyond recognition by that point. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
329
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Posted - 2013.04.22 12:30:00 -
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Khaden;
how about you let Federation allies speak for themselves? An Amarrian trying to speak for the Matari needs to seriously shut up about "respecting cultural points and intricacies of others".
Elsebeth Rhiannon Sebiestor |
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