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FallenTitan
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.15 14:12:00 -
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I would just like to inform the general EvE player base for those who are currently not aware that RvB operates 3 jumps out from Jita.
Basing from; Otela II - Expert Housing Foundry (Red Federation HQ) [3 Jumps from Jita] Liekuri VI - Moon 4 - Sukuuvestaa Corporation Production Plant (Blue Republic HQ) [3 Jumps from Jita]
With many thousands of kills taking place in RvB each month, RvB members look to purchase PvP modules off the market from their HQ to resupply.
It is mutually beneficial for industry pilots to stock the market, so that RvB players may have items to buy and market resellers can make a margin profit. If you wish to help stock these two stations, you will find that frigate, destroyer, cruiser and battlecruiser hulls and corresponding modules sell quite quickly.
RvB members are unable to go to Jita to restock (unless an alt is used) due to the constant war, getting into Jita and back with resupplies is often a suicidal endeavor for an RvB pilot.
Here is an opportunity for market traders to make steady ISK on market orders.
FallenTitan - Blue CEO |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
159
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Posted - 2013.04.15 14:30:00 -
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This is new and exciting. Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of-áK+îKAK. Despite her corporate journey, Quinzel now subscribes to the leanings of the Practical bloc.-á |
Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
280
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Posted - 2013.04.15 17:28:00 -
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Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:This is new and exciting.
Confirmed. I am excited and new. |
FallenTitan
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.04.16 22:29:00 -
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Back to the top for the public to view. |
Havoc Zealot
United Brothers Of Eve Seventh Sanctum.
30
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Posted - 2013.04.16 22:52:00 -
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Confirming I have excitement in my pants...I think that's what it is. |
Mu-Shi Ai
Ai Capital
186
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Posted - 2013.04.16 23:30:00 -
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I'm pretty sure people already knew about this. |
Samroski
Games Inc.
200
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Posted - 2013.04.17 06:37:00 -
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Mu-Shi Ai wrote:I'm pretty sure people already knew about this. And now everyone knows that there are no margins left.
Happiness is a warm gun, mama. |
FallenTitan
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
13
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Posted - 2013.04.17 06:42:00 -
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Samroski wrote:Mu-Shi Ai wrote:I'm pretty sure people already knew about this. And now everyone knows that there are no margins left.
Clearly you must understand that it is my intention and duty to ensure that the RvB market prices are low. That may mean lower margins for you, however a ~20% markup on some modules is more than acceptable for a three jump haul from Jita. |
Mu-Shi Ai
Ai Capital
186
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Posted - 2013.04.17 07:14:00 -
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FallenTitan wrote:Clearly you must understand that it is my intention and duty to ensure that the RvB market prices are low. That may mean lower margins for you, however a ~20% markup on some modules is more than acceptable for a three jump haul from Jita.
Okay, but if there are no margins left, people are going to stop doing it, since there will be far better ways to make a buck. You either get your supply from others and pay extra for the convenience, or you get it yourself. That's the price of being able to buy stuff directly in your home station. If you think you're ever going to get Jita prices in Liekuri and Otela, because traders are going to compete to see who can lose money supplying RvB, you're out of your mind. |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
161
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Posted - 2013.04.17 07:43:00 -
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It's not the first time this thread has been posted. As a general rule 'hints' about specific items or systems are going to be disregarded if they show up in MD because of saturation.
Especially when it's the same advice over and over again.
Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of-áK+îKAK. Despite her corporate journey, Quinzel now subscribes to the leanings of the Practical bloc.-á |
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FallenTitan
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
13
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Posted - 2013.04.17 09:39:00 -
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Mu-Shi Ai wrote:FallenTitan wrote:Clearly you must understand that it is my intention and duty to ensure that the RvB market prices are low. That may mean lower margins for you, however a ~20% markup on some modules is more than acceptable for a three jump haul from Jita. Okay, but if there are no margins left, people are going to stop doing it, since there will be far better ways to make a buck. You either get your supply from others and pay extra for the convenience, or you get it yourself. That's the price of being able to buy stuff directly in your home station. If you think you're ever going to get Jita prices in Liekuri and Otela, because traders are going to compete to see who can lose money supplying RvB, you're out of your mind.
You misunderstand this thread completely. There are current gaps in our marketGÇÖs item prices which can extend beyond 500% profit per item, this is simply because there are not enough people that can handle the demands of our market for particular modules, If the prices are too high we do not buy them, we haul those specific modules ourselves using alts, which we would prefer not to do.
Do you understand that the objective of this thread is to fill those market deficiencies back to normal saturation, so that we can continue buying the items, and market traders can broaden their revenue streams. |
Zosius
Silver Octopus Infernal Octopus
10
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Posted - 2013.04.17 11:50:00 -
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to be honest small t1 stuff is a pocket change and not very lucrative for pilots capable to setup hub there. That is why you often may see 500% margin, where % might be scary, but in terms of isk it's not. Let's do some 5min analysis
Judging from killboards April campaign is 100bil killed/destroyed. If we analyze further Ships by popularity: Frigate/Cruiser/Destroyer/BC/AF. Thus we can focus on Small/medium mods. All mentioned hulls are roughly 90% of isk killed thus 90bil. in 17 days which we can round up to 5bil/day isk killed/lost and needs to be replaced
So if we took 20% profit margin (I doubt you get better for most popular items) and assume you cover all the market, there is 1bil/day of potential profit. Assuming we cherry pick and trade in 20% of items that perhaps give 80% (800mil) of total profit, after putting competition into equation, I would very doubt you could manage >500mil/day profit in very good conditions.
In the end there's a lot of research to be done to count real profitability, but I think more experienced traders don't engage much in small value items unless they try to control major share of it and there is very big volume movement. I would recommend this for Small-medium traders, who just got their freighter skills done. I might also consider to do some "passive" trading on this topic since i got a spare trading alt, but not enough free time to manage it.
TL;DR. Potential is there..
Regards, Z |
FallenTitan
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.17 12:16:00 -
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Zosius wrote:to be honest small t1 stuff is a pocket change and not very lucrative for pilots capable to setup hub there. That is why you often may see 500% margin, where % might be scary, but in terms of isk it's not. Let's do some 5min analysis
Judging from killboards April campaign is 100bil killed/destroyed. If we analyze further Ships by popularity: Frigate/Cruiser/Destroyer/BC/AF. Thus we can focus on Small/medium mods. All mentioned hulls are roughly 90% of isk killed thus 90bil. in 17 days which we can round up to 5bil/day isk killed/lost and needs to be replaced
So if we took 20% profit margin (I doubt you get better for most popular items) and assume you cover all the market, there is 1bil/day of potential profit. Assuming we cherry pick and trade in 20% of items that perhaps give 80% (800mil) of total profit, after putting competition into equation, I would very doubt you could manage >500mil/day profit in very good conditions.
In the end there's a lot of research to be done to count real profitability, but I think more experienced traders don't engage much in small value items unless they try to control major share of it and there is very big volume movement. I would recommend this for Small-medium traders, who just got their freighter skills done. I might also consider to do some "passive" trading on this topic since i got a spare trading alt, but not enough free time to manage it.
TL;DR. Potential is there..
Regards, Z
A nice explanation for the newer traders out there. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
536
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Posted - 2013.04.17 16:35:00 -
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This may be worth it if, this mini hub can bring me 10M isk per slot per day, which I doubt, even with a 20% markup.
The question goes, why are you asking people to serve you for near nothing in return?
Your best bet is to set up station buy orders en mass for items that you need, marked up at-least 8% from Jita sell order prices.
on another note, if you have to advertise, that means the locals are not very excited and ditching their sale orders in favor of more promising, objectives.
Once again, Buy orders 8% over Jita sell orders, you can ALL do it at the same time just match each others prices, no need for penny wars, your orders will be filled daily because as it goes.
Or DO it yourself. |
Samroski
Games Inc.
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Posted - 2013.04.17 17:13:00 -
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Ok, now that we're discussing this:
The RvB people may not have much time or inclination to set up buy orders. Thus a good idea, but may not work.
The market at the 2 HQs is pretty good for the frequently destroyed items and slow-ish for the rest, but then someone comes along and buys your entire stock. This happens quite frequently. Thus it is (used to be) worthwhile to supply these stations. There are (were) also good margins in buying cheap T1 stuff and re-selling it at a high margin. One of my alts made billions selling worthless T1 stuff for a million a piece, as an experiment (pays to get there first).
RvB have lists of items that get destroyed over a period of time. These lists are a great place to get an idea of the faster moving items. The market, though, is bigger than what these lists may suggest.
There is also the option of selling fitted ships via contracts. As RvB have internal drives and contracts, one needs to be careful entering this market, but there will always be room for well fitted ships, strewn all over the play area for instant fixes. Happiness is a warm gun, mama. |
Wafflehead
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.04.17 19:35:00 -
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If RvB needs anything in particular stocked or ship packages then just evemail me.
I have stocked some items that are required :) |
Caerfinon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
60
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Posted - 2013.04.18 02:12:00 -
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Lots on information on what we use is available on our Kill boards. Pick a few of use and look at the the ships and weapons we use, and check the fittings of ships we lost. A little research goes a long way.
http://rvbeve.com/red/?a=home
http://rvbeve.com/blue/?a=home
P.S. Sell to Blues for less Cheers C.
@caerfinon-á |
Samroski
Games Inc.
206
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Posted - 2013.04.18 11:23:00 -
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Caerfinon wrote:P.S. Sell to Blues for less No doubt blues are much better, thus I always go for higher margins at the Red HQ. Unfortunately at times this means that the the Red HQ is better stocked...
Happiness is a warm gun, mama. |
Azura Dante
SuperCapital Transfers Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.04.19 05:52:00 -
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So i decided to take the time to setup orders in these two systems.
Items I sell each day in jita (granted a little 0.1 pvp usually).
Most items I've put on as pretty much jita prices and these item's with large numbers sold each day.
and i've sold:
0 in 24 hours out of 4 bil's worth of sales.
You are right, stuff I would of sold all of in a day or two in Jita was really worth the time shipping here -.-
Don't waste your time. |
Samroski
Games Inc.
206
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Posted - 2013.04.19 12:19:00 -
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Azura Dante wrote:So i decided to take the time to setup orders in these two systems.
and i've sold:
0 in 24 hours out of 4 bil's worth of sales.
Yeah, best to stay away, everyone. Happiness is a warm gun, mama. |
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
305
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Posted - 2013.04.19 12:36:00 -
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You might want to tell that to the RvB's in Jita You either love us or we hate you. |
Wafflehead
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.04.19 21:26:00 -
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Azura Dante wrote:So i decided to take the time to setup orders in these two systems.
Items I sell each day in jita (granted a little 0.1 pvp usually).
Most items I've put on as pretty much jita prices and these item's with large numbers sold each day.
and i've sold:
0 in 24 hours out of 4 bil's worth of sales.
You are right, stuff I would of sold all of in a day or two in Jita was really worth the time shipping here -.-
Don't waste your time.
/edit: To clarify the items listed are extremely common and almost core items for frig/cruiser/BC pvp.
The market is really slow, I would avoid it also.
Made 123M profit over 3 days from the station. |
I Was There
Nigerian Drug Manufactory co. xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
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Posted - 2013.04.19 23:53:00 -
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It's way too close to Jita. |
Lemming Malgalad
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.04.26 12:08:00 -
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i made 1Bil from 100mil isk with a trading alt over the christmas period. so money can be made from the RvB market, and that was just shipping from Jita and selling most of it at Red HQ, with a few items in blue.
I must admit i don't trade much now so i couldn't say if you'd do as well, but then you might do better. I know there's a market on a few items. |
Guido Tye
RvB Industries
10
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Posted - 2013.04.26 22:40:00 -
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Have been supplying RvB since 2010 and recently it has got alot of new customers, as a RvB pilot I started just hauling for myself as there was nothing around, and it just grew up from that. I totally support what the OP is trying to do, it is odd how many holes there are in the market, and crazy stupid mark ups, so there is defiantly potential for profit over a limited range of items, but yes it is crazy how slow it moves most of the time.
Think there are a lot of RvB who are, or have, alts, and can supply themselves with jita being so close, courier contracts cost nothing for a bucket load of frigs + fittings, and most of the loot is stuck up on the market straight away. I may also be totally bias as its a cut to my profit, but I personally have moved most of my assets on to hub trading, as the profit is pretty limited here.
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polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.04.26 23:00:00 -
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Yup its one of my major market hub but if you were to listen to the people here they would have you you believe there is no money in frigs cruisers and bc hulls
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Mu-Shi Ai
Ai Capital
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Posted - 2013.04.26 23:08:00 -
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Coming to MD and asking us to supply you without "crazy margins" is like asking a shark not to bite your legs off when you swim out too far into the ocean. There must be plenty of people in RvB who can better gauge the needs of the community, and provide supply with a special eye toward keeping the margins fair, no? Why doesn't RvB create that role and attract people from its own ranks to fill it? Their job would be to ensure that a certain range of items are available in Liekuri and Oteka.
Or, you know, people could just peruse Jita remotely from Otela and Liekuri, buy the stuff they want, and have it shipped to them by courier contract. |
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
2303
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Posted - 2013.04.27 08:50:00 -
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If only somone had thought of this. FANFEST Lottery |
FallenTitan
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.01 09:28:00 -
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Mu-Shi Ai wrote:Coming to MD and asking us to supply you without "crazy margins" is like asking a shark not to bite your legs off when you swim out too far into the ocean. There must be plenty of people in RvB who can better gauge the needs of the community, and provide supply with a special eye toward keeping the margins fair, no? Why doesn't RvB create that role and attract people from its own ranks to fill it? Their job would be to ensure that a certain range of items are available in Liekuri and Otela.
Or, you know, people could just peruse Jita remotely from Otela and Liekuri, buy the stuff they want, and have it shipped to them by courier contract.
I feel as if I am repeating myself so this may be my last reply, but surely you understand that publicizing this market here is only going to benefit the local RvB market, however small or large the positive impact is. Most RvB'ers are far too busy killing each other to do market trading. As the market becomes adequately stocked, more members will stop saying "There are not enough modules on the market to fit my ships, I will do a large Jita buy order and have them couriered across" and start buying locally due to the convenience.
Frankly I am astounded at how passive aggressive some of the other replies are on here. I have rarely dealt with the EvE forums so I am not sure what I was expecting. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. Very simply, there is a market in our HQ areas, there is certainly profit to be made, if you are interested you simply need to weigh up if the profit margins are high enough for you. That's it. If it is not profitable enough for someone, then that is fine, I'm sure they will move on to greener pastures. |
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
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Posted - 2013.05.01 10:09:00 -
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I think the general opinion expressed is that you represent a rather considerable amount of players coming from RvB. You should be able to motivate some percentages in your numbers to focus and operate such projects. If you want a saturated market maybe you should also show some more direct support regarding a rather overlooked and ignored aspect of the game. We have huge problems with industry and market features, and the last 5 years all we get is new shiny ships for you and yours to blow up. More new items strain the marketeers ability to do what your asking. Lack of market orders (currently limit is 315 on maxed tycoons) and public contracts being reversed so we have 1/10 public compared to internally.
A small RP explanation Spectre of New Eden.
Your basically asking very pro traders to do something they have little reason or tools to do.
You can create up to 400 internal contracts in corp. So you are better geared yourself already. Alternatively you can actively recruit and hire market people or their alts to help you with such endeavors.
Any margins the activities your talk about can bring is very small considering the operational setup traders have already. Can your market support pulling someones attention, from business that already generate 100m minimum per day?
I think you might also want to read MD posts in general and you would see that people are being VERY nice to you in this thread, and trying to explain why its not really something as highly opportune as you might think.
That said there are always new market people getting into the business, and these might be exactly what your looking for.. Drop by the scc-lounge and see if there are any you could recruit for your business, or even recruit for internal management of finacial issues. I am sure many newer players would like to pad their CV with RvBs name.
Also why not consider a collaboration with EVE UNIs market training groups?
I hope you receive this as constructive criticism.
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