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Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
567
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Posted - 2013.04.16 08:07:00 -
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You did ask this question on the forums CCP don't make us wait another decade for a drone overhaul; DRONE OVERHAUL NOW! |
Tysinger
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
52
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Posted - 2013.04.16 08:10:00 -
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yup...nuff said |
Anva Dante
Bunch of Noobs Logistics
9
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Posted - 2013.04.16 08:57:00 -
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The Margin Trading "Exploit" (and it is an exploit as it's not identifiable using in game mechanics, but experience) should 100% be fixed.
All normal scams have one thing in common, they are playing with words and numbers and can easily be identified with paying attention. The margin trade scam revoles around the abuse of ingame mechnics on the market.
You aren't stupid, just unlucky by the sounds of it. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
872
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Posted - 2013.04.16 09:39:00 -
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Anva Dante wrote:The Margin Trading "Exploit" (and it is an exploit as it's not identifiable using in game mechanics, but experience) should 100% be fixed.
if there was a fix that wouldn't either kill the markets (remove the margin trading skill entirely) or open the door to much more serious exploits (allow negative wallets), it would probably have been fixed long ago.
as is I haven't heard a single sensible suggestion on how to resolve this issue.
(for illustration - when I did trading I usually had buy orders for 3-4x my wallet size and that was playing it safe on my part. if margin trading was removed the liquidity on the buy order side would diminish massively. Traders would exit the market in droves as the ability to leverage their capital via margin trading is often what allows them to turn a decent profit in the first place and bid/ask spreads would go way up. Would you want to live in an EVE universe where you have to list every item on sell orders to get a somewhat decent price?) TEST alt - don't trust. |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
264
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Posted - 2013.04.16 10:05:00 -
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I hold to 2 similar words as having different meanings.
Ignorance equates to innocence - ignorance of the law... no excuse, etc... They just don't know.
Stupidity - that only comes with experience. They have the information, they know how to process it, they simply don't "connect the dots" for whatever reason.
Thus a new player makes ignorant choices and decisions - ignorant fits. It really takes a vet to come up with stupid fits and decisions.
The former can be easily addressed by adding information and teaching methods to process that information. The latter... There is rarely much you can do beyond snicker, frown or shrug.
You aren't a vet so no you aren't playing stupid but you are ignorant of a great many things. This can be addressed and you do show a bit more tenacity than some.
We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it - and stop there; lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove-lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid again - and that is well; but also she will never sit down on a cold one anymore. - Mark Twain
At least you aren't giving up due to poor experiences nor going overly conservative in your approach.
Another thing to look at is an old quote that's rather fitting for new players in EVE: The trouble with using experience as a guide is that the final exam often comes first and then the lesson.
Having nothing, with no inter-player connections, trying to face off with "vets" -- something needs to change and your "experience" in EVE is liable to continue being painful until things do change.
Make friends. Join a player group that is willing and able to help you learn the ropes but keep in mind that knowing something, as many do, is radically different than having actually tried variations and applying it differently.
I like these questions from TS Elliot's "The Rock": Where is the life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?
The information is there. The knowledge is there. How you choose to apply it will determine how well you will do, especially in certain areas.
Experience is the best teacher but experience based upon a firm foundation of understanding is better than the other options.
tl;dr: No you aren't stupid. You need to learn more about the game and the best way to learn isn't just by reading but by joining in with others who can and will help you learn - but also do keep that adventurous willingness to try things for yourself - as you learn. |
Nova Satar
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
130
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Posted - 2013.04.16 10:11:00 -
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Don't just check it... DOUBLE check it ! |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
624
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Posted - 2013.04.16 10:17:00 -
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...... forums are ...... |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
624
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Posted - 2013.04.16 10:18:00 -
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Welcome to Eve!
And yes, everyone makes mistakes. I'm here 3rd year and still doing like stupid n00b.
I think you only need few fixes for your endeavors.
Rocketfeller wrote: I started out well enough, running all the tutorial missions and getting the free ships. Then I stupidly lost my destroyer in a mission, sold my other ships to replace it, and then lost that one as well.
yes. you need to practice. + (and this is REAL PLUS) you need to join corp. Just one of 100001 carebear mission runners corp. Nothing special. But usually these corps gives good advices to new players about missions, mining and other non PvP_related activities. Maybe they will give you some ISK and material bonus. I remember my first corp where guys shown me lvl4's, gave some knowledge about PvE (don't mix guns, don't mix tanks, etc....) and gave access to corporation hangar for cheap loot. I used it to fit my ships for some time. This will give you good start.
Rocketfeller wrote:Since I had to start over, I thought I'd give mining a try, as even though it is boring, it seemed safer. That went slowly, but I kept at it and managed to make a little ISK, and eventually worked my way into a retriever, which cost me everything I had. I was much more productive, but within a few days I was blown up by a ganker (in high sec), and lost the ship and my pod. All I had left was a few days worth of ore I had mined before losing the ship. I know, I know, don't fly what you can't afford to lose. But moving into a mining barge as quickly as possible seemed like an intelligent decision for a miner, except in hind sight.
well. nothing wrong here. Except that you should pay more attention to environment. Anyway: you started mining from zero (after losing mission ships) so you could repeat start and be more careful. No need to switch to other activities.
Rocketfeller wrote:I decided to try a more peaceful career as a trader. I scraped together all the money I could and started looking for items I could buy cheaper and sell higher. I found that I could pretty easily make a little profit of 5 or 10%, but soon ran out of capital and order slots. The stuff that I could afford to buy was not very expensive, so even a 10% return wasn't giving me as much as I had been making mining. I decided that was just a temporary problem, and that once I accumulated more capital I would be able to make bigger trades with my limited slots for more profit. So I kept working at it, and also started moving items between stations to take advantage of price differences. I discovered Eve Central, which let me find the best deals and the best markets. I thought I had figured out how to play, and was making a more decent amount of money. Within a month I had a wallet with over 400 million in it. And then I found a trade that beat all the trades before by turning my 400 million into 500 million - 25% in one trip. If you know how this part of the story is going to end, then congratulations to you, because I did not. It turns out the 500 million buy order was a fake. When I tried to sell, the order was immediately deleted. Only then did I find out there were no other buy orders for even 10 million. After doing a little research, I found out this is a common scam made possible by the fact that the market allows orders to remain visible even after the money put up to fill them is gone. I fully accept that the loss is on me, because I stupidly overpaid for the item. But it was an expensive way to learn that the EVE markets contain fake orders. I knew I had to watch out for other players, whether in ships or on the other side of trades and contracts. I just didn't know that the market mechanism couldn't be trusted, either.
And here you repeated mistake again: you didn't learn environment before actions.
But it's ok. As i stated before: you started trading from zero so you can repeat it again. But here is one (however IMPORTANT) note: don't hesitate to work with people!!! In your example: you see "too good to be true" order and .... What now? It's simple! You ask in local! Result: people will say you why you should evade this order. Can't speak about the whole Eve online but in Dodixie you always get helpful advice should you ask politely.
Rocketfeller wrote:So I'm back to square one. Again. Because of repeatedly making expensive mistakes. Don't get me wrong - I am not crying about the losses. Well, I guess in a way I am, but I don't blame anyone for where I am except me, and I accept that newbies will make expensive mistakes. The question is whether this is an unusual level of stupidity, and whether I should try once more or am I likely to keep repeating my failures?
well i guess you are like me. I still can lose billions by mistake because i can't be bothered to do proper investigation. You can live with it just add some reasonable amount of lazyness. I mean: don't jump straight to river, give yourself some time to watch before action. Yes, you will lose some fast profits (and i lose many opportunities because of this) but you will evade many traps because either someone will get into this trap or someone will shed a light there.
And again: welcome to Eve. You made mistakes and you still here. So i guess you will win at the end. |
Radamant Nemess
Caribbean Coke Enterprises
19
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Posted - 2013.04.16 10:19:00 -
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Three months is not enough for anything serious. Three years - now we`re talking. EVE is about time spent training skills, so patience is required. If you don`t have the nerves, save yourself and play something else. EVE is a masochists game. i can fail at any speed you like |
darmwand
Repo.
108
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Posted - 2013.04.16 11:13:00 -
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Rocketfeller wrote:Oracle of Machina wrote:...The most valuable commodity in this game is trust, not ISK. Don't trust anyone completely... There are so many contradictions in EVE. I am trying to reconcile not trusting people with joining a corp. I don't know anyone in RL who plays EVE. Any corp I join will be total strangers, and I won't trust them, nor will I expect them to trust me. Now I guess this is another case of taking a limited risk in order to gain. I should probably stop thinking about it so much and jump in. I am a loner by nature, both in RL and in game, and that can be costly in both places.
As others said before, be careful if it's too easy to get in, do research (on the forums, google, killboards etc) and hang out in their public channel to get some idea about corp activity and mindset. If the corp has a blog or forums, read them. The same thing is true for individual corp members. It's a lot of work, I know, but the right choice of corp can lead to years of enjoying a truly amazing game so it's well worth it.
Or you could join one of the big established noob-friendly corps such as RvB (for PvP) or E-UNI to get started.
Anyway, good attitude, if ever you hang out in my corner of low-sec I'll be happy to hug your ship darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |
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Herr Esiq
Dirt Nap Squad
23
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Posted - 2013.04.16 11:17:00 -
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Rocketfeller wrote:Oracle of Machina wrote:...The most valuable commodity in this game is trust, not ISK. Don't trust anyone completely... There are so many contradictions in EVE. I am trying to reconcile not trusting people with joining a corp. I don't know anyone in RL who plays EVE. Any corp I join will be total strangers, and I won't trust them, nor will I expect them to trust me. Now I guess this is another case of taking a limited risk in order to gain. I should probably stop thinking about it so much and jump in. I am a loner by nature, both in RL and in game, and that can be costly in both places. I am going to nitpick on this part. When you join a older more set corp that fits your needs there are different levels of trust. Obvious scams of them moving your stuff is a obvious scam but there are lot of corps that expect you to do some lifting without handing all personal assets over so 'one member can have a supercarrier for the greater good of the corp'.
Doing things solo is way more difficult then doing them in a group. And there are things that even after playing for 5 years i havent dealt with before. Then asking questions to your corp is a good way to migrate some risk without risking things.
In all my EVE time i've only been in 2 corps and even though they are completely different, the thing that helped me the most in all my playing time was my bond with my corp. |
Cryxx Nadoa
Logica Solutions RED University
35
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Posted - 2013.04.16 11:19:00 -
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Just remember the mistakes you've made and you wont make em again...hopefully.
You're not to stupid to play the game, not by a long shot...being to stupid would have, as already mentioned, been blaming the game mechanics.
I think it's safe to say that most people playing this game have screwed up at one point or another, it happens, the best you can do is keep going. Just remember that EVE is a very different game, it plays in a different way and it takes time getting used to that. |
Aracimia Wolfe
The Cursed Navy
233
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Posted - 2013.04.16 11:25:00 -
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Personally I think the OP has done a sterling job, by getting back up and carrying on going.
All of us have had stupid moments, or had New Eden lay the smackdown on us (Anyone who says otherwise is either lying or in for a really nasty shock)
The fact that you can carry on and keep striving despite the setbacks and learn from those experiences is the mark of a true eve player Malcanis for CSM 8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717 \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ m8m8m8m8m8m8m8 o7
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
425
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Posted - 2013.04.16 11:46:00 -
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Glad to see you aren't letting your bad experiences turn you completely away from Eve, but are working to make your Eve life better. And no, you aren't too stupid to play EVE, you are actually quite intelligent because you are using your experiences as learning. I have always said your EVE knowledge is the most important aspect of playing EVE. Anyway, good luck in your future endeavors OP. *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |
Macnowus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.04.16 12:50:00 -
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WOW! Nice story OP - I see so many similarities to my adventures, that at some point I thought you were writting about me ;)) Currently I'm at the stage that I have almost no money at all (left with like 2 mlns....and to think, I still had more than 1bil isks 3 weeks ago...). I am writting this post and asking myself - should I try again? Should I get back? But...well, to what? I have nothing. Nothing means I can't do a thing, so what's the point in getting back? Anyone got any ideas? :( |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1637
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Posted - 2013.04.16 12:50:00 -
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Valkyria Nova wrote:An intelligent man will question if he is intelligent. A stupid man will never realize that he is stupid.
Gonaa tattoo that to my left arse cheek, thanks for the inspiration :) .
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Anunzi
High House Of Shadows Tribal Band
96
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Posted - 2013.04.16 13:02:00 -
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Rocketfeller wrote:
So I'm back to square one. Again. Because of repeatedly making expensive mistakes. Don't get me wrong - I am not crying about the losses. Well, I guess in a way I am, but I don't blame anyone for where I am except me, and I accept that newbies will make expensive mistakes. The question is whether this is an unusual level of stupidity, and whether I should try once more or am I likely to keep repeating my failures?
This one line puts you leagues ahead of most newbies. You accept responsibility for your own actions instead of crying to CCP to fix the game to your liking. YouGÇÖll do just fine.
As to the mistakes, we all made them. As long as you donGÇÖt make the same mistakes again, then you are not back to square one.
Fly safe and stay frosty bro o7
Malcanis for CSM8, Its about damn time.
A vote for Malcanis is a vote for bacon! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8691
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Posted - 2013.04.16 14:09:00 -
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Anunzi wrote:[quote=Rocketfeller]
As to the mistakes, we all made them.
Let me tell you about getting my first ever CNR with painfully and slowly acquired LP, and then getting the Damsel mission, deciding to just torp my way through the pleasure hub, grab the damsel and run. And getting stuck on the structure. And not knowing how to cancel warp. And watching my last few shreds of hull melt away...
Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere
My recommended voting list |
Lara Dantreb
Reisende des Schwarzschild Grenze
9
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Posted - 2013.04.16 14:26:00 -
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Chandaris wrote: 9 years in, i still make stupid mistakes, and learn new things almost every day.
So do I !
----á-á Buying T2 ship bpos since 2005-á --- --- -á-á-á-á-á-á BUT NOT ATM :)-á-á-á --- |
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2013.04.16 16:43:00 -
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Macnowus wrote:WOW! Nice story OP - I see so many similarities to my adventures, that at some point I thought you were writting about me ;)) Currently I'm at the stage that I have almost no money at all (left with like 2 mlns....and to think, I still had more than 1bil isks 3 weeks ago...). I am writting this post and asking myself - should I try again? Should I get back? But...well, to what? I have nothing. Nothing means I can't do a thing, so what's the point in getting back? Anyone got any ideas? :( Having nothing means you have nothing holding you back
Beg borrow or steal your way into some startup capital and get to work on something you want to try. Having a zero balance wallet and no assets is hardly the end of the world, unless you also happened to get yourself podded a few hundred times without upgrading your clone. If being in such a position bothers you, it's probably a good idea to seed some recovery tools for the future, before you go balls deep into another adventure. |
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Rocketfeller
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.04.16 17:24:00 -
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Georgina Parmala wrote:Having nothing means you have nothing holding you back ... At first glance that sounds like a platitude intended to make someone feel better about their misfortune. But I really think there is a fundamental truth to it. If I had been wiser, and risked (and lost) less each time, I would almost certainly not have gone in an entirely new direction. But because I have started from nearly nothing each time, I have been free to experiment without clinging to the past. After all, what is an absolute, worst-case loss in EVE? You don't die. Your family doesn't go hungry. You aren't left with crippling debt. You are gently placed back at the starting gate, but with more skills and more experience than a new player has. The pain of a loss is emotional and self-inflicted. It's all in your head. Of course, that pain is an important part of the game, for it provides contrast for the successes. Because they are all in your head, too. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
3110
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Posted - 2013.04.16 17:28:00 -
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When I first started playing Eve, I struggled a bit to find my place. If it wasnt for the first player corp I joined, I probably wouldnt have found my calling in Eve.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
902
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Posted - 2013.04.16 17:42:00 -
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The margin trading scam is a broken mechanic... 90+% of margin trades are the scam don't let any1 fool ya into believeing its used as intended for a majority of the time. I you rage quit please tell CCP the reason you quit was because of the margin trading scam Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 slot 1, Mike Azariah slot 2 Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an "ex"-Goon? |
Haulie Berry
435
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Posted - 2013.04.16 17:48:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote: ...90+% of margin trades are the scam...
I actually agree that the margin trading scam is a broken mechanic, but this statement is utterly ********.
Any serious trader will train margin trading. That makes for TONS of margin trade orders, only a small handful of which are scam-related.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
902
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Posted - 2013.04.16 18:31:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:DarthNefarius wrote: ...90+% of margin trades are the scam... I actually agree that the margin trading scam is a broken mechanic, but this statement is utterly ********. Any serious trader will train margin trading. That makes for TONS of margin trade orders, only a small handful of which are scam-related.
Still there are more scammers then serious traders Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 slot 1, Mike Azariah slot 2 Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an "ex"-Goon? |
Vanria Vexed
Posiden Industrial
19
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Posted - 2013.04.16 19:00:00 -
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The only time my buy orders exceed market prices is when I would like someone else to deliver the item I desire to the high sec island I reside upon. I rarely exceed 30% depending on the item in question and they are usually items I cannot stick in a blockade runner.
But to avoid thread de-railment, the OP definitely has the right attitude for this game. You know how to start over, and are willing to work at it. There is a great amount of space out there, DOTLAN helped me find my current home. If you find your current home unpleasant, you are free to move, and don't worry about taking everything with you, you've proved that you can rebuild.
Exploring beyond the rookie constellations is the best thing I did for myself. Playing EVE at times feels like putting a 10000 piece puzzle together, enjoying the accomplishment of succedding in completing it, then having some random stranger walk by and flip your table over. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2619
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Posted - 2013.04.16 19:31:00 -
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Rocketfeller wrote:I seriously need to know if EVE is beyond my capabilities. I have been playing for several hours each week for three months now, and I currently have almost nothing to show for it. I am trying to find my niche in the game, but so far the only thing I am good at is losing. I do want to like the game, but I can't help thinking that I am "doing it wrong" and I'm not so sure I can be cured.
How long does it generally take to get the hang of the game?
I started out well enough, running all the tutorial missions and getting the free ships. Then I stupidly lost my destroyer in a mission, sold my other ships to replace it, and then lost that one as well. Maybe I could have done better with practice. Since I had to start over, I thought I'd give mining a try, as even though it is boring, it seemed safer. That went slowly, but I kept at it and managed to make a little ISK, and eventually worked my way into a retriever, which cost me everything I had. I was much more productive, but within a few days I was blown up by a ganker (in high sec), and lost the ship and my pod. All I had left was a few days worth of ore I had mined before losing the ship. I know, I know, don't fly what you can't afford to lose. But moving into a mining barge as quickly as possible seemed like an intelligent decision for a miner, except in hind sight. I was upset at myself for risking and losing everything I had - for the second time - and didn't play again for a week.
I decided to try a more peaceful career as a trader. I scraped together all the money I could and started looking for items I could buy cheaper and sell higher. I found that I could pretty easily make a little profit of 5 or 10%, but soon ran out of capital and order slots. The stuff that I could afford to buy was not very expensive, so even a 10% return wasn't giving me as much as I had been making mining. I decided that was just a temporary problem, and that once I accumulated more capital I would be able to make bigger trades with my limited slots for more profit. So I kept working at it, and also started moving items between stations to take advantage of price differences. I discovered Eve Central, which let me find the best deals and the best markets. I thought I had figured out how to play, and was making a more decent amount of money. Within a month I had a wallet with over 400 million in it. And then I found a trade that beat all the trades before by turning my 400 million into 500 million - 25% in one trip. If you know how this part of the story is going to end, then congratulations to you, because I did not. It turns out the 500 million buy order was a fake. When I tried to sell, the order was immediately deleted. Only then did I find out there were no other buy orders for even 10 million. After doing a little research, I found out this is a common scam made possible by the fact that the market allows orders to remain visible even after the money put up to fill them is gone. I fully accept that the loss is on me, because I stupidly overpaid for the item. But it was an expensive way to learn that the EVE markets contain fake orders. I knew I had to watch out for other players, whether in ships or on the other side of trades and contracts. I just didn't know that the market mechanism couldn't be trusted, either.
So I'm back to square one. Again. Because of repeatedly making expensive mistakes. Don't get me wrong - I am not crying about the losses. Well, I guess in a way I am, but I don't blame anyone for where I am except me, and I accept that newbies will make expensive mistakes. The question is whether this is an unusual level of stupidity, and whether I should try once more or am I likely to keep repeating my failures?
I know I'll probably get replies that say "Yes. You are too stupid to play Eve." And to be fair, I asked for it. But if what I have experienced is par for the course and is just part of the learning curve, please let me know that, too. I know how to start over and I am willing to do it, but only if I think I have a chance to keep what I earn.
All criticism is accepted. Constructive criticism is appreciated.
If you are jumping around your skills, then you won't have much to show for it. This means that you have 120 DPS and go up against people with the same time in game and they smoke you like a fish.
You would also lack the skills to run missions as effectively to earn ISK.
So don't cross train and don''t spread out your SP. I have an alt with around 5000 SP that can deliver some heinous damage with a rifter, and that's only because I knew what NOT to do with the training choices.
On my main here I have almost 64 million SP and can fly shield or armor tank all T2 fit from frigates to BCs. But guess what? I can only fly one ship at a time.
Some players using separate-account alts will have them dedicated to certain roles, like a scanning alt, hauling alt, etc. This is a choice you have to make. My same-account alt is for PVP in frigates.
One thing you could try, and they didn't have this when I started, is to look at the forums regarding skills and see where you can go. There are enough experienced people now who can guide you, and you have to decide what you want to do from the start, then specialize your skills to that end. It won't take as long as you think and in around a month or two you will have something to show for it. |
Frank Millar
146
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Posted - 2013.04.16 19:44:00 -
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Huh.
This one time, I sent my alt on a shopping trip for some skillbooks in his Impairor.
There were some skills he couldn't inject immediately, so he had to take them home in his ship. Back at base, he jumped in his PvE frigate, and trashed the Impairor. Without unloading those skillbooks...
Mind you, I was sleepy.
Just now. |
Wolf Silentheart
Federal Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.04.16 20:05:00 -
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I had a lot of trouble starting out too. I think you would do well if you joined a smaller corporation with some more experienced pilots willing to help you out. Sometimes all you need is someone in game to answer questions and give you advice. |
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2013.04.16 20:07:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: One thing you could try, and they didn't have this when I started, is to look at the forums regarding skills and see where you can go. There are enough experienced people now who can guide you, and you have to decide what you want to do from the start, then specialize your skills to that end. It won't take as long as you think and in around a month or two you will have something to show for it.
To do that, first you need to try various things and figure out what you want to do in the game. There is nothing wrong with fumbling all over the place from the start. Have fun first, min max once you know what you want to do (if you're into that sort of thing).
OP already has something to "show for it". He has three months of varied experiences under his belt. The game is about having fun, not a SP treadmill or becoming spacerich. Unless of course, those are your ideas of fun. |
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