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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.17 13:10:00 -
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With the cruiser rebalance, the change to the moa's bonus, and the shifting if the thorax to an attack style cruiser, I keep funding the thorax is a better rail sniper than the moa. Am I just failing in eft, or is the moa left as only a brawler?
For Thorax, I had:
Lows: Mag stab 2 x2 Tracking enhancer 2 x2 Reactor control 2
Mids: 10mn experimental mwd Sensor booster 2 x2 (one with a range script, the other with no script) Tracking computer with optimal range script
Highs: 250mm rail 2 x5 (with spike)
Rigs: 2 polycarb 1 hybrid locus coordinator (why are there none of these in the forge region?)
With my skills, optimal was 95km, falloff another 22km. Dps is 191, speed was 2165. I could get a moa with a bit more tank, same dps, same range, but a huge drop in speed. Plus the thorax has better drone options and a built in tracking bonus
A friend of mine worked up a closer range gate camper which again.exceeded any moa option.
So am I missing something, or is the thorax a better sniper now? |
feihcsiM
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
203
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Posted - 2013.04.17 13:32:00 -
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Yes, it's probably the best cruiser-hull rail sniper, however that's a bit like saying it's the cleverest kid in school with downs syndrome. It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. |
Battle BV Master
Executor BV Sovereign Infinity
4
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Posted - 2013.04.17 13:56:00 -
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feihcsiM wrote:Yes, it's probably the best cruiser-hull rail sniper, however that's a bit like saying it's the cleverest kid in school with downs syndrome.
Yeah it's def like winning in the special olympics while being fully healty.
Its the best smelling of all the turds.
Its the master of all losers.
Etc etc
Just dont do it man, run!!! |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
133
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Posted - 2013.04.17 14:56:00 -
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You need dps, pick up some gardes |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
72
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Posted - 2013.04.17 22:11:00 -
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anything that uses medium rails is special |
ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve Hopeless Addiction
1181
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Posted - 2013.04.18 04:24:00 -
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Drake Doe wrote:You need dps, pick up some gardes DUST514 isn't on PC because CCP wants 2 different communities influencing each other, not people tabbing out to give themselves Orbital Strikes. (Also they don't want to cannibalise their existing playerbase) |
StoneCold
Somali Coast Guard Authority
123
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Posted - 2013.04.18 07:50:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote: [...] Am I just failing in eft, or is the moa left as only a brawler? [...]
This line makes me sad. Everytime you fit rails on your thorax someone awoxes an orca. For Hire Psychotic Monk for CSM |
Karak Bol
Crepuscular
72
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Posted - 2013.04.18 09:46:00 -
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*Starts fitting medium rails to Thoraxes en masse* |
StoneCold
Somali Coast Guard Authority
123
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Posted - 2013.04.18 09:47:00 -
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Karak Bol wrote:*Starts fitting medium rails to Thoraxes en masse*
Touch+¬.
For Hire Psychotic Monk for CSM |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
723
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:44:00 -
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Medium rails are awful, large ones got better but still subpar
191dps from a rails rax?- Jesus, even a cormorant with small rails can do that and this is for truth. This should tell you something how bad medium rails are. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1309
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Posted - 2013.04.19 17:09:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Medium rails are awful, large ones got better but still subpar
191dps from a rails rax?- Jesus, even a cormorant with small rails can do that and this is for truth. This should tell you something how bad medium rails are. Put antimatter in it and what do you get? And then try Lead. And then add in drone damage at those shorter ranges. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
724
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Posted - 2013.04.21 18:27:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Medium rails are awful, large ones got better but still subpar
191dps from a rails rax?- Jesus, even a cormorant with small rails can do that and this is for truth. This should tell you something how bad medium rails are. Put antimatter in it and what do you get? And then try Lead. And then add in drone damage at those shorter ranges.
And my question and observation was more about: what's the point of that Rails Rax and what are you trying to kill with?
The number alone of 191 dps can be done with a Cormorant at 100km that uses SMALL rail guns, so what's the point of fitting medium rails and ammo on a Thorax for 191 DPS a lesser ranges?
If it's to prove how really bad medium rails are then I guess it's exactly the kind of example CCP needs to take a look at to figure out how dumb&bad med rails are. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
761
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Posted - 2013.04.22 12:16:00 -
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Medium rails need a buff..
But people seriously exaggerate how bad they are to the point where they think kiting with a blaster thorax is a viable idea...
People are terrible.. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1319
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Posted - 2013.04.22 15:49:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: And my question and observation was more about: what's the point of that Rails Rax and what are you trying to kill with?
The number alone of 191 dps can be done with a Cormorant at 100km that uses SMALL rail guns, so what's the point of fitting medium rails and ammo on a Thorax for 191 DPS a lesser ranges?
If it's to prove how really bad medium rails are then I guess it's exactly the kind of example CCP needs to take a look at to figure out how dumb&bad med rails are.
For a fair comparison - Overheated, no drones, no implants. Cormorant: 182 dps, 94km,7km optimal/falloff. 3.7k EHP Thorax: 243 dps, 91/25 opt/falloff, 10.96k EHP. Moa: 250 dps, 91/29, 12.91k EHP
Both the cruisers are faster than the destroyer, and less agile. The one thing you're trying to kill with this fit are Sniper Cormorants.
Our guys also fit up 200mm rail Thorax and go solo other cruisers, and they allow the T1 Gallente/Caldari turret cruiser to apply dps at range.
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Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1179
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Posted - 2013.04.22 16:08:00 -
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There is no reason not to try medium rails in T1 Cruisers. They aren't exactly a huge investment.
Kitey Rail Thorax: High: 200mm II x 5 Mid: Experimental MWD Small Cap Booster II w/ Navy Cap 400s Regolith Large Shield Extender Warp Disruptor II Low: MFS II x 3 TE II Meta DC, 2nd TE II, or Nano II Rigs: Shield to taste Drones: Flight of Valkyries
Using Faction Uranium you get 411 DPS out to 23km. That overheats to 461 DPS. The small cap booster lets you permarun the MWD and point. It's worth noting that you can still pick up an 805 medium hybrid damage implant for less them 9 million.
Sniper Moa: High: 250mm II x 5 Mid: Experimental MWD LSE II TC II x 2 SB II Low: MFS II x 3 RCU II Rigs: Shield to taste Drones: Warrior II x 3
Faction AM gets the same range as the Uranium loaded Thorax. 405 DPS - 468 DPS Overheated. More of the DPS from the turrets though and more range vs tracking options with the TC. No point means you are a pack animal.
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Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
492
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Posted - 2013.04.22 16:44:00 -
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Battle BV Master wrote:feihcsiM wrote:Yes, it's probably the best cruiser-hull rail sniper, however that's a bit like saying it's the cleverest kid in school with downs syndrome. Yeah it's def like winning in the special olympics while being fully healty. Its the best smelling of all the turds. Its the master of all losers. Etc etc Just dont do it man, run!!!
I like how this post got zero "Likes" by reposting the exact same joke it quoted but 3 times.
Guess you really can't mooch off of a good pun.
We miss you Saede. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1320
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Posted - 2013.04.22 17:24:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote: It's worth noting that you can still pick up an 805 medium hybrid damage implant for less them 9 million.
These implants are great, and I always wonder why they are so cheap. There's no way for me to purchase a +5% implant for that amount directly from the LP store.
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