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Nex apparatu5
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
478
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Posted - 2013.04.21 04:19:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Word in the forums about comming resource changes have brought up an interesting idea to discuss: How would POS fuel & other markets be affected if icefields were moved out of HI SEC? Seems to me with the LONG Ice Harvestor cycles harvesting in NULL/LO is overly risky unless you are in deep SOV. Also WH's have no Ice fields would they quicky be taking a POS fuel hike hit due to thier dependance on transporting it in? Better yet, what if all tech moons were moved out of null?Mr Epeen
Then after a week tops they're all retowered by the alliances that currently own them, just now the towers are in losec. Exciting stuff |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1729
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Posted - 2013.04.21 10:02:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:As for planets respawning... well, we will leave that up to the mice. Am I the only one that gets this? *laugh*
EDIT: Nope. Late to the party again it seems. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
580
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Posted - 2013.04.21 11:10:00 -
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Lets just hope the next expansion brings balance, resource distribution needs some tweaks. Risk vs Reward is broken in highsec. |
Masuka Taredi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.04.21 15:40:00 -
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Nathalie LaPorte wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Aside from bots, those who inhabit null/low don't strike me as the "mine ice until they drop dead of boredom" types. Moving the fields plus a major bot ban by CCP would probably crash the economy in both null and high. Why would that be bad?
Exactly. The only reason fuel is the cost it is is due to bots mostly. The market needs shaking up. It will settle over time when those who ACTIVELY mine ice rather than bot get in on a new system. personally i want to see an end to static ANY belt. |
TravisWB
63
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Posted - 2013.04.21 15:57:00 -
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eh? The Skiff is a great low sec ice or ore miner. It is fast, has BS tank and is capable of taking out a BS rat, 2 BC rats with a couple of cruiser rats thrown in. All at once and all by itself using its drones.
The Skiff has fast mining module cycle times and in case nobody noticed, most exhumer mining is now NOT afk. Except for the Mackinaw.
And, most of low sec is still barely populated. Mostly all you will ever see there are bands of fail pirates looking to find miners or PI types.
You just wait them out at a pos or in a station. Most low sec pirates have the attention span typical of children.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
923
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:50:00 -
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WOW this is interesting...
Uppsy Daisy wrote:- New Ice Belt names have appeared in some data tables: Blue Ice Belt, White Glaze Belt, Smooth Glacial Mass Belt
- T2 Ice Harvester Cycle halved from 500 to 250 seconds, presumably they are doubling ice harvesting rates to balance the difficulty of finding an ice field via exploration.
Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an "ex"-Goon?
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami Moon Warriors
319
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:51:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:As for planets respawning... well, we will leave that up to the mice. Am I the only one that gets this? *laugh* EDIT: Nope. Late to the party again it seems.
Someone answered "42". They also understood =) "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4520
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:56:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:WOW this is interesting... Uppsy Daisy wrote:- New Ice Belt names have appeared in some data tables: Blue Ice Belt, White Glaze Belt, Smooth Glacial Mass Belt
- T2 Ice Harvester Cycle halved from 500 to 250 seconds, presumably they are doubling ice harvesting rates to balance the difficulty of finding an ice field via exploration.
Intriguing most indeed. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
924
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:57:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:As for planets respawning... well, we will leave that up to the mice. Am I the only one that gets this? *laugh* EDIT: Nope. Late to the party again it seems. Someone answered "42". They also understood =) me Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an "ex"-Goon?
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Dilbert HighSeed
Pirannha Corp
1
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Posted - 2013.04.23 18:04:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:WOW this is interesting... Uppsy Daisy wrote:- New Ice Belt names have appeared in some data tables: Blue Ice Belt, White Glaze Belt, Smooth Glacial Mass Belt
- T2 Ice Harvester Cycle halved from 500 to 250 seconds, presumably they are doubling ice harvesting rates to balance the difficulty of finding an ice field via exploration.
Darth, source?
My trade alt made a decent bundle selling ice products over the weekend, but I have a feeling that I got out of the market way too fast. If this stuff is lining up to be another null sec faucet, price are just going to go stupid, even with double the harvest rate.
I have had a couple POS's parked in a hangar in high sec for some time. Sounds like I should sell them now, before he market for high sec POS's crumbles.
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Uppsy Daisy
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
364
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Posted - 2013.04.23 18:39:00 -
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Source is data-mined files from test server (by Sarmatiko).
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
924
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Posted - 2013.04.23 18:42:00 -
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Dilbert HighSeed wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:WOW this is interesting... Uppsy Daisy wrote:- New Ice Belt names have appeared in some data tables: Blue Ice Belt, White Glaze Belt, Smooth Glacial Mass Belt
- T2 Ice Harvester Cycle halved from 500 to 250 seconds, presumably they are doubling ice harvesting rates to balance the difficulty of finding an ice field via exploration. Darth, source? My trade alt made a decent bundle selling ice products over the weekend, but I have a feeling that I got out of the market way too fast. If this stuff is lining up to be another null sec faucet, price are just going to go stupid, even with double the harvest rate. I have had a couple POS's parked in a hangar in high sec for some time. Sounds like I should sell them now, before he market for high sec POS's crumbles.
Source == quote=Uppsy Daisy claiming to see it in some data tables & Mynna claiming that an earlier test server build was void of ice belts
If I was running things though Instead of ICE leaving HI SEC though I'd make ring/comet exploration producing ice in HI SEC & goo in NULL ( should do both in lo IMHO ) dunno what I'd do with ring exploration in WH's though Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an "ex"-Goon?
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Uppsy Daisy
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
364
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Posted - 2013.04.23 18:44:00 -
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I saw nothing in the data files, just posts on other forums from reliable sources that I am relaying here for the community.
Its all in my compendium |
Dave Stark
2782
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Posted - 2013.04.23 18:53:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:WOW this is interesting... Uppsy Daisy wrote:- New Ice Belt names have appeared in some data tables: Blue Ice Belt, White Glaze Belt, Smooth Glacial Mass Belt
- T2 Ice Harvester Cycle halved from 500 to 250 seconds, presumably they are doubling ice harvesting rates to balance the difficulty of finding an ice field via exploration.
to be fair though, even double the isk/hour of ice is still less than ore. |
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2013.04.23 20:04:00 -
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Uppsy Daisy wrote: - T2 Ice Harvester Cycle halved from 500 to 250 seconds, presumably they are doubling ice harvesting rates to balance the difficulty of finding an ice field via exploration.
The difficulty of 10 people scanning 10 systems for a few minutes, then 100 people fleet warping on top of them to mine it dry over the next couple of hours?
Or the difficulty of half the afk ice mininers not bothering any more and current consumption levels requiring double the output per remaining miner? |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
304
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Posted - 2013.04.23 20:35:00 -
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I don't know. These ice mining changes make me go "Hrm....."
So does that mean you have to scan down ice belts now?
Will this added step actually cause ice miners to stop ice mining because they only did it in the first place because it was mindnumingly easy to do in turn causing ice prices o go through the roof in turn forcing POS owners out of business?
To me its like they want to put an extra step to just cause frustration for every party involved.
That said, if they made a special version of ice that had two times the yield and only found in exploration sites, then that would be reasonable for the parties that be.
Personally, I am going "meh" because it won't affect me one way or another. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
422
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Posted - 2013.04.23 20:37:00 -
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Callduron wrote:This is demonstrated by the high price of high sec ores relative to low and null sec ore. Scordite pays more than Arkonor partly because of bottlenecks but mostly because there are a ton of people in nullsec clearing grav sites and a lower proportion than anticipated of people in high sec mining Scordite.
As was already pointed out, the vast majority of mining is actually done in highsec.
The reason the prices are the way they are, with relatively cheap nullsec ores and relatively expensive highsec ores, is because highsec miners are mining ice instead of ore.
In nullsec, the easiest way to mine is doing hidden belts in an industry upgraded system. So the few that mine in nullsec do that and export the high ends. This keep high end prices relatively low.
In highsec, the easiest mining is ice because you never have to move. It is easiest to AFK and/or multi-box, and highsec ice belts are packed with miners. This has been keeping ice prices relatively low while low end minerals have stayed expensive since the drone alloy nerf. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1401
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Posted - 2013.04.23 20:48:00 -
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Nathalie LaPorte wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Aside from bots, those who inhabit null/low don't strike me as the "mine ice until they drop dead of boredom" types. Moving the fields plus a major bot ban by CCP would probably crash the economy in both null and high. Why would that be bad? EVE runs on an expanding economy. Any lengthy in-game recession would at the very least severly stress the game and quite plausibly impact subscription numbers.
Moving ALL ice out of Hi into Lo or Nul would put too much of the game's economies in the hands of large blocs, who would then be in a position to really make demands. Maybe they would. Maybe they wouldn't - I'd like to think that the Nul-Bloc folks understand enlightened self-interest, but the possiblity alone would be destabilizing.
Not saying that it would be a bad thing if the balance of where ice spawns shifted a bit, or that the spawn locations migrated a bit like Cosmic Signatures do... But not a wholesale move. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Dave Stark
2789
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Posted - 2013.04.23 20:50:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Aside from bots, those who inhabit null/low don't strike me as the "mine ice until they drop dead of boredom" types. Moving the fields plus a major bot ban by CCP would probably crash the economy in both null and high. Why would that be bad? EVE runs on an expanding economy. Any lengthy in-game recession would at the very least severly stress the game and quite plausibly impact subscription numbers. Moving ALL ice out of Hi into Lo or Nul would put too much of the game's economies in the hands of large blocs, who would then be in a position to really make demands. Maybe they would. Maybe they wouldn't - I'd like to think that the Nul-Bloc folks understand enlightened self-interest, but the possiblity alone would be destabilizing. Not saying that it would be a bad thing if the balance of where ice spawns shifted a bit, or that the spawn locations migrated a bit like Cosmic Signatures do... But not a wholesale move.
you say that like there isn't already a resource in such a situation. |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
498
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Posted - 2013.04.23 20:58:00 -
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Dilbert HighSeed wrote:
My trade alt made a decent bundle selling ice products over the weekend, but I have a feeling that I got out of the market way too fast. If this stuff is lining up to be another null sec faucet, price are just going to go stupid, even with double the harvest rate.
Yes.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
498
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Posted - 2013.04.23 20:59:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:As for planets respawning... well, we will leave that up to the mice. Am I the only one that gets this? *laugh* EDIT: Nope. Late to the party again it seems.
The fjords were a nice touch.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
387
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Posted - 2013.04.23 21:40:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:WOW this is interesting... Uppsy Daisy wrote:- New Ice Belt names have appeared in some data tables: Blue Ice Belt, White Glaze Belt, Smooth Glacial Mass Belt
- T2 Ice Harvester Cycle halved from 500 to 250 seconds, presumably they are doubling ice harvesting rates to balance the difficulty of finding an ice field via exploration. to be fair though, even double the isk/hour of ice is still less than ore.
Double gather rate and make ice field need to be scanned down and the revenu might skyrocket tho. Again as said before, I don't see the current null population as really interested in mining. Maybe a proce hike would change the mind of some but there is way too much ice produced in high by bot army/afk miners. You won't really be able to bot it if you have to scan the site first... |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1410
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:38:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:silens vesica wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Aside from bots, those who inhabit null/low don't strike me as the "mine ice until they drop dead of boredom" types. Moving the fields plus a major bot ban by CCP would probably crash the economy in both null and high. Why would that be bad? EVE runs on an expanding economy. Any lengthy in-game recession would at the very least severly stress the game and quite plausibly impact subscription numbers. Moving ALL ice out of Hi into Lo or Nul would put too much of the game's economies in the hands of large blocs, who would then be in a position to really make demands. Maybe they would. Maybe they wouldn't - I'd like to think that the Nul-Bloc folks understand enlightened self-interest, but the possiblity alone would be destabilizing. Not saying that it would be a bad thing if the balance of where ice spawns shifted a bit, or that the spawn locations migrated a bit like Cosmic Signatures do... But not a wholesale move. you say that like there isn't already a resource in such a situation. No - I say that like I don't want another resouce in that condition. My corp can run along fine without large quantities of Tech. Without large quantities of ice products, we'll have to move back to K-Space, and that would pretty much be the end of the corp - and we're a long, long way from being alone in that condition.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1096
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Posted - 2013.04.24 03:30:00 -
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They have said for over a year now that they plan on moving ice to null exclusively. No one should be shocked when it happens, possibly with some form of... Exploration revamp...
Oh. Ooooooh.
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
119
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Posted - 2013.04.24 03:53:00 -
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silens vesica wrote: My corp can run along fine without large quantities of Tech. Without large quantities of ice products, we'll have to move back to K-Space, and that would pretty much be the end of the corp - and we're a long, long way from being alone in that condition.
CCP has a choice. If they want to make it tougher to live in w-space, then they go ahead with this change to make ice a bit more difficult to obtain. If they want to make it easier to live in w-space, then they can add some of these new ice belt grav sites, or whatever they are, to w-space. Either option is open. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
928
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Posted - 2013.04.24 06:59:00 -
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Xython wrote:They have said for over a year now that they plan on moving ice to null exclusively. No one should be shocked when it happens, possibly with some form of... Exploration revamp... Oh. Ooooooh.
Source... linky? Who is this mysterious 'they' you speak of that hath said 'plan on moving ice to null exclusively'? Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an "ex"-Goon?
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pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
1149
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Posted - 2013.04.24 07:06:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Word in the forums about comming resource changes have brought up an interesting idea to discuss: How would POS fuel & other markets be affected if icefields were moved out of HI SEC? Seems to me with the LONG Ice Harvestor cycles harvesting in NULL/LO is overly risky unless you are in deep SOV. Also WH's have no Ice fields would they quicky be taking a POS fuel hike hit due to thier dependance on transporting it in?
stop speculating and wait , you will only make peoiple very dissapointed when CCP finally decides to release the relevant info nwith all these speculations
i do ot think it will be that much different then what it is now I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Johno R
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.04.24 07:20:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:MrDiao wrote:CCP even believes that tripling the profit of mining can attract more players coming into the badly designed stupid gameplay without losing subs eventually. who wouldn't want 100m/hour for doing a max of 5 clicks every 2 mins. ??? Warp to ice field, target chunk of ice, activate lasorz. Dock. I count 4
:P but seriously, why not just randomly include ice chunks in regular asteroid fields all over the galaxy? Remove the dedicated ice fields, no special module required to find it, stops bots maybe? Or at least slow them down. Puts more emphasis of mining fleets/teamwork |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
725
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Posted - 2013.04.24 08:59:00 -
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"speculation"
The world might end this year.
The world as we know it might end this year to become peace love and rock&roll.
The life we're used to is about to change in drastic ways we will or not easily adapt to it and maybe blow up everything.
If my grand mother had balls she would be my grand father.
The sun will turn in to red giant soon.
Tomorrow it will rain.
Eve will die soon.
"Cloud" system might be successful soon.
There will be a grand tsunami soon.
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction Whores in space
174
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Posted - 2013.04.24 10:17:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:It would be a pretty sad state of affairs if it cost a billion a month or more to fuel a basic POS, something which people should aspire to do, because all the ice was moved into null.
But yes, from personal experience, nullsec mining is rarely done except for when surrounded by a large buffer of blues. These minerals and ice almost all go towards the local POS towers.
That would be great in fact. Too many POSs already around.
ICe mining could very well be moved to unknown space :) |
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