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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1157
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Posted - 2013.04.19 17:47:00 -
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THIS is nothing more than a power grab by a tyrannical megalomaniac who has bullied and berated his way up the echelons of power in the State since he first appeared. As CEO of Kaalakiota he is already as powerful as any man has a right to be.
And now he calls to unify the State? Presumably to dissolve the CEP? I have no doubts as to whom he envisions enthroned at the top of the pile when his reshuffle is done. He's not doing this for the glory of the state, he's doing it for the glory of his own hubris and it shall not stand, not on my watch.
Notice he singled out the agents of reason and construction among the megacorps in his speech? Notice how he singled out the ones who dared to defy him? Notice how his anger is directed at the people who have the hubris to disagree with him?
Competition is growth. We live in an economy of persons, and ideas. Everything the "Beloved Executor" is proposing here is anathema to the meritocracy he himself was so inspired to build five years ago.
Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The State is divided precisely to limit the harm that one individual can do by abusing their power, and in seeking to dissolve the corporate meritocracy, Tibus Heth is showing himself to be an enemy of Caldari ideals, not their upholder.
Effective immediately, Hakatain Dynasty is implementing a boycott of all Kaalakiota-branded goods and products, and I call upon like-minded capsuleers to follow suit. Heth means to destroy the State, and as a loyal Caldari my Heiian compels me to do everything in my power to stop him. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
933
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Posted - 2013.04.19 17:55:00 -
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How many more insults must be endured? This man came to power on the mandate of RESTORING the traditions of the corporate State and now he seeks to cling to power at the cost of tearing down the State our ancestors built with their hands?
Enough. |
BloodBird
Mixed Metaphor
153
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Posted - 2013.04.19 18:06:00 -
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This is not a Federal affair nor any affair of mine, so I will not get involved beyond my coming two statements:
First of all, I have complete confidence that the people of the State will decide for themselves what they want and need, it will not be up to a single man, no matter who, to decide this.
Second, I do find it very humorous that I apparently know more of Caldari history than Tibus Heth does. The term "Caldari" was only used when the Gallente and Caldari made first contact. The term "Gallente" was used by the captain of the ship making first-contact to be a unified term for all the peoples of the world that would become known as Gallente Prime. In return the locals of the world that would be named Caldari Prime named themselves "Caldari" as a similar unifying designation.
No Raata citizen would ever recognize the term "Caldari" because it first came into use centuries after that Empire fractured and broke, and the Caldari were quite divided along different nation-states upon first contact.
In closing though, I will simply repeat: I have complete confidence that the people of the State will decide for themselves what they want and need, it will not be up to a single man, no matter who, to decide this.
Good luck managing your internal affairs.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
20
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Posted - 2013.04.19 18:07:00 -
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Hunh. I wonder if anyone fancies a cup of tea with the man...
It really makes sense, though, from his point of view. The CEP is based on the idea that the corporations are all components of the larger State governed by their combined interests, much like the different parts of the mind in the Structural Model of psychology all interact. Heth wants to be dictator, and you can't be a real dictator if there's a ruling panel. A State structured along the lines of the Raata Empire would, of course, have a Raata Emperor. Bio and writing |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
416
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Posted - 2013.04.19 18:21:00 -
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Unifying the State now is the best course of action.
The Power is in Unity!
We should not allow traitors to separate our nation into small parts, and sell these parts to Gallenteans one by one! |
Coyote Torres
Stormcrows
2
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Posted - 2013.04.19 18:31:00 -
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Yo Kim,
You're really swallowing it?
Let me ask you, one Saisio dog to another, just how many of your ancestors were Raata? I'm pretty sure I heard none of mine were around Caldari Prime back then.
Hell, KK is my family, but this is plain nuts.
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
214
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Posted - 2013.04.19 18:39:00 -
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This is an abomination, a post-facto justification of his desire for absolute power.
Do you know what an empire has? An emperor. That is what Heth wants to be -- not first among equals, not even the restorer of a meritocracy that was admittedly crumbling, but an emperor.
We must oppose this man's madness -- with words and deeds both. |
Uriel Khaden
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.04.19 19:26:00 -
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Far be it from me to dictate to my Caldari allies how to handle your own affairs, so I will simply state that it is my sincere prayer that the turmoil tearing through your State and its people would be settled soon and in a way that benefits you and makes you stronger both as a collective unity of people and as a society in the midst of an increasingly dangerous cluster.
May wisdom and truth guide your future. |
Graelyn
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
413
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Posted - 2013.04.19 21:02:00 -
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I've not often remarked on the past few weeks of Crisis in the State. I believed I had nothing to add to the situation, and so I left it to better informed Caldari.
However, in hearing this statement by Mr. Heth, I feel I can say with some confidence:
This man has just signed his own Death Warrant. + Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit" YR113 Amarr Loyalist of the Year
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
840
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Posted - 2013.04.19 21:15:00 -
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Wow.
The Federation threw Foiritan out for less, not that I am suggesting any course of action to the people of the State.
For comparison, if this were being said from a President in an attempt to rule with a dictator's fist and go against the founding principles upon which the Federation was forged, I'd like to think they'd have a bullet between the eyes by the end of the week.
Again, not that I'm suggesting anything... Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2463
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Posted - 2013.04.19 21:54:00 -
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You know, in terms of "unifying the Caldari," something tells me that if he keeps trying hard enough, Heth will eventually get his wish.
But not in the way he imagines it. Mane 614
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
94
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Posted - 2013.04.19 21:57:00 -
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Ah bollocks. He finally went around the bend. There was still room to maneuver and do things right before this, but now there's no turning back. Tibus Heth, I thank you for all the things you've done for the State. The deeds were many and notable, and that should never be forgotten. Now though, now you've gone too far. I've remained loyal throughout it all, but this is the end.
Heeian demands that [OTSI] cease all trade with KK or their affiliates. Our services are no longer available and until this is dealt with by the megas, we will not be associating ourselves with the State. Once this issue has been dealt with by the proper authorities, contracts and connections will be re-negotiated.
This unfortunately also means all direct trades with the State Protectorate forces will also be on hold. OTSI regrets any inconvenience or empty rail and launcher turrets this may cause, not to mention the profit loss, but this is an unavoidable consequence. Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third. Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds. The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush Threat Level: lol |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
393
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Posted - 2013.04.20 00:05:00 -
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Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:Hunh. I wonder if anyone fancies a cup of tea with the man...
NEGATIVE. Give him the whole pot of tea.
Andreus Ixiris wrote:You know, in terms of "unifying the Caldari," something tells me that if he keeps trying hard enough, Heth will eventually get his wish.
But not in the way he imagines it. To be fair, MOST of the State has been moving together with recently, specifically in regards to Caldari Prime. 6 of the Megacorps have fully backed the current policy, and even Lai Dai who disagrees is willing to go with the flow. The ONLY dissenter is Heth and Kalaakiota. === Where does this man learn his history from?
Our corporate factionalism has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Gallente. Beyond that, we ARE united, we may be loyal to a specific subset of the State, but we are all ultimately loyal to the State as a whole (well most of us anyways).
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Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
183
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Posted - 2013.04.20 00:37:00 -
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Tea with the Executor sounds fabulous! He is more than welcome to swing by my pad on the shores of Great Tekojarvi. It would be even more fabulous if he brought Haatakan along with. I'd love to talk about exotic flora.... |
Heinel Coventina
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.04.20 02:36:00 -
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Looks like Heth is ready to strike~ |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
712
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Posted - 2013.04.20 02:49:00 -
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Heth's plan isn't to unite the Caldari, it's to unite the Caldari under him. Apparently, being the de-facto ruler of a country isn't enough, now he wants his power solidified.
Luckily at least half the state won't give that to him. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Shiho Weitong
Koa Mai Hoku Nulli Legio
16
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Posted - 2013.04.20 02:51:00 -
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And so, the first step towards civil war is taken. |
James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly
335
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Posted - 2013.04.20 02:53:00 -
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State politics is a bit schizophrenic so who knows what will happen. Underestimating Executor Heths popularity with the GÇ£commonGÇ¥ man would be unwise. All that wailing from the State about their desire for a single, powerful, uniting visionary... Well it looks like you got one. Enjoy. "Crime when it succeeds is called virtue."
http://syagrius-eve.blogspot.com/
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Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
640
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Posted - 2013.04.20 05:05:00 -
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Someone needs to make Heth open a history book. He can try pinning a lot of things on the Gallente but, corporate culture isn't one of them.
I doubt it will be long before Heth steps down for "health reasons" or, has an untimely accident. A fatal one, of course. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
935
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Posted - 2013.04.20 08:10:00 -
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Shiho Weitong wrote:And so, the first step towards civil war is taken.
This is like calling the ascension of the top step of a flight of stairs the 'first step towards' something. There have been many such, perhaps hidden from your view, but necessary in the long climb to this point.
Thankfully it is not yet the last step towards Civil War. I pray to Winds and the Maker that Executor Heth wakes up before he takes that one and steps down. |
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Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines Group Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3
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Posted - 2013.04.20 08:52:00 -
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I have said it before here within the IGS and I will say it as many times as is neccessary. The Caldari State has been since its formation a Confederacy comprised of the various megacorporations. Each corporation occupies a region of space that the other's agree upon. Within each megacorporations sphere of influence they reign surpreme, provided they do not cross the bounderies set by the CEP, and are free to do whatever they desire within said sphere. For example, a citizen of the State that is a judge in the Lai-Dai court system has no judicial authority over the goings on of an Ishukone trial. What Heth is trying to do not only flies in the face of centuries of tradition, but against the founding principles of the Caldari State.
Instead of a Confederacy of Megacorporations, Heth desires to combine all of the megacorp's into one large gestalt; of which he is the CEO. I respect Heth for his actions in the past, I respect him for his martial prowess, and I very much respect him for rising from the lowest ranks of the State to the office of Executor. But I CANNOT and WILL NOT bow to a man who wishes to take away the power from the megacorporations and then give said power to himself. |
BloodBird
Mixed Metaphor
155
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Posted - 2013.04.20 10:10:00 -
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Xindi Kraid wrote:Our corporate factionalism has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Gallente.
Anabella Rella wrote:Someone needs to make Heth open a history book. He can try pinning a lot of things on the Gallente but, corporate culture isn't one of them.
Technically Heth is half-correct. He claims that Caldari corporatism started in response to "The Gallente enforcing their culture on us[the Caldari]"
It is debatable how, when, why or even if this was the case, and this is not the place for that argument. However, the Caldari as a people had their culture from long before the first-contact event, and in that culture lies the roots of the Caldari version of what can be termed modern Federal corporatism.
In short, there was no such thing as 'corporate' culture among the Caldari, divided as they were along national lines, but there was that original ideal, that concept that would mesh so nicely with the corporate idea. As I recall, when the Gallente introduced this corporate concept to the Caldari, the latter did not simply take use of it as it was, but they apparently liked the idea - with a few changes and tweaks the Caldari version of the concept was born - in many ways simply the ideals and means of the Caldari culture distilled into practical form, well-suited to the Caldari way of life.
This created the bed-rock that the soon-to-be Mega-corporations would grow on and soon Caldari society was divided between their nations (all successors of the Raata Empire) and the corporations that were pervasive in them. Soon after the Federation's founding the Mega's would independently found the secret colonies for themselves (without their Nation's knowledge, IIRC) and after some time it was not uncommon to find CEO's and corporate spokespersons speaking with more weight in the Federal senate than even the senators from Caldari nation-states themselves. History ensues.
When Heth claims that the Caldari corporate culture that the State is effectively built on, was a "reaction" to the Gallente, he speaks half the truth. It can be debated that the State itself exists as a consequence of the Gallente and the Federation itself. I imagine he dislikes this idea intensely, and his idea for changing it is to abolish it entirely and re-create the Raata Empire with himself as Emperor. I doubt this will go down very well with your average State citizen-employee, but that remains to be seen.
In closing, I would like to offer an apology: I stated in the start of this tread I would not get involved as this does not concern me, and while that might be true I find myself unable to give Heth at least some credit for his statement - he is not completely off the mark, as it is. Shame that it's spun with his typical take on things, but that's to be expected, I suppose.
For what it's worth, I'm sorry.
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Toluijin Chagangan
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2013.04.20 10:20:00 -
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While it is not my place to weigh in here, and I will not comment after this particular post, I feel that too much attention has been placed on the target that Heth likely intended with the speech, namely the effect that the Federate culture had on the pre-spaceflight Caldari people.
The part of his speech that is, in my opinion, far more shocking, is his dismissive attitude towards the Achurian people. Let us not mince words here, on the IGS his most outspoken supporter is of Achurian descent, and his most outspoken opponents within the state are descended from Caldari Prime. Yet he seeks to galvanise the descendents of Caldari Prime against all foreign influence and remove such foreigners from the state.
For what it's worth, I truly feel sorry for Kim. I may not like the woman, but this betrayal from the man she has given her all for must hurt and no-one deserves to be betrayed to that degree.
Seven Tribes. One Matari People. |
Heinel Coventina
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.04.20 11:02:00 -
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Toluijin Chagangan wrote:While it is not my place to weigh in here, and I will not comment after this particular post, I feel that too much attention has been placed on the target that Heth likely intended with the speech, namely the effect that the Federate culture had on the pre-spaceflight Caldari people.
The part of his speech that is, in my opinion, far more shocking, is his dismissive attitude towards the Achurian people. Let us not mince words here, on the IGS his most outspoken supporter is of Achurian descent, and his most outspoken opponents within the state are descended from Caldari Prime. Yet he seeks to galvanise the descendents of Caldari Prime against all foreign influence and remove such foreigners from the state.
For what it's worth, I truly feel sorry for Kim. I may not like the woman, but this betrayal from the man she has given her all for must hurt and no-one deserves to be betrayed to that degree.
Seven Tribes. One Matari People.
It's good that someone mentioned the Heth loyalists. I was just wondering if they're going to all commit honorary suicide if Heth falls. This will be the true test of their faith. We will see if their actions match their words. |
Toluijin Chagangan
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2013.04.20 12:25:00 -
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To be fair, She has always claimed her loyalty is to the State, she just has a somewhat skewed view of what the state should be after the events of the past five years.
Seven Tribes. One Matari People. |
Sofia Roseburn
Coreli Corporation
5
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Posted - 2013.04.20 12:28:00 -
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Toluijin Chagangan wrote:To be fair, She has always claimed her loyalty is to the State, she just has a somewhat skewed view of what the state should be after the events of the past five years.
Other people seem to have got on fine (although that number is probably smaller than one might think). She's definitely deranged though.
If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |
Shiho Weitong
Koa Mai Hoku Nulli Legio
16
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Posted - 2013.04.20 15:14:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Shiho Weitong wrote:And so, the first step towards civil war is taken. This is like calling the ascension of the top step of a flight of stairs the 'first step towards' something. There have been many such, perhaps hidden from your view, but necessary in the long climb to this point. Thankfully it is not yet the last step towards Civil War. I pray to Winds and the Maker that Executor Heth wakes up before he takes that one and steps down.
It is true that the signs have been here long. It's also true that we have seen coming for a long time. This is however the first time Heth have publicly declared, at least so unequivocally, his intent to topple the megas.
If he is not forcibly removed I do not see any other ending than civil war however. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
941
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Posted - 2013.04.20 16:24:00 -
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Shiho Weitong wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Shiho Weitong wrote:And so, the first step towards civil war is taken. This is like calling the ascension of the top step of a flight of stairs the 'first step towards' something. There have been many such, perhaps hidden from your view, but necessary in the long climb to this point. Thankfully it is not yet the last step towards Civil War. I pray to Winds and the Maker that Executor Heth wakes up before he takes that one and steps down. It is true that the signs have been here long. It's also true that we have seen coming for a long time. This is however the first time Heth have publicly declared, at least so unequivocally, his intent to topple the megas. If he is not forcibly removed I do not see any other ending than civil war however.
Where we disagree is only in the matter of degrees, I think. I have seen this coming for some time - although I hoped that cooler heads would council wisdom.
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
189
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Posted - 2013.04.20 16:32:00 -
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So, are any State loyalists finally coming around to my point of view, that we should just murder the guy and be done with it? |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
941
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Posted - 2013.04.20 16:37:00 -
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Sakura Nihil wrote:So, are any State loyalists finally coming around to my point of view, that we should just murder the guy and be done with it?
Aspects of your solution are attractive to me - since it has become clear that he will not take the honourable way out himself. |
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