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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.19 23:20:00 -
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The mewling hordes of Empire loyalists have many theories as to why Goonswarm has chosen once again to Burn Jita, making a tradition of last year's event. Some say it's an expression of anger over CONCORD sanctions of The Mittani. Others claim there is a profit motive, and still others profess the belief that it's naught more than the childish actions of a band of sociopathic capsuleers gone rogue. Of course, to most of those taking part, it's more of a sporting event than anything else.
This year, though, there's a deeper point.
This year, Jita burns as a message.
Let me tell you a story.
In YC106, CONCORD revealed the existence of deep space starbases in what we refer to these days as nullsec, linked to each other and other systems in those regions by stargates. The infrastructure had been built up by pirates, smugglers, outlaws and the like, and while they weren't up to Empire standards, they were also free for the taking, not subject to the laws of the Empires. Capsuleers banded together to seize and inhabit the regions, and before long, CONCORD granted formal recognition to these alliances, and licensed starbase tech for capsuleer use. Not long after, blueprints for Outposts were developed by (or as many suspect, provided to) capsuleers, and before long, those very same alliances erected outposts to supplement the existing stations. Capsuleer 'empires' were born.
Now, if the facilities of the original outlaw stations can be called substandard, then the facilities of these capsuleer built Outposts are, sad to say, outright crippled. They excel at one thing, sure, but one thing only. A factory station, outwardly of Amarrian design, has factories whose production capabilities actually outstrip those typically found in Empire regions, but it's capable of almost nothing else. Anyone utilizing the factories must rely on a refining station, notionally of Matar origin, to come by the refined materials for construction. Not only is the station also capable of little more than refining, but it doesn't do that very well, either - only exceptional skill (and overriding of safety features) allows a so-called perfect yield. Similarly, Caldari stations offer excellent research facilities, but little else, and in a perhaps ironic reference to the (in)famous Gallente bureaucracy, the outposts bearing their architecture are usable as little more than office space. And if that weren't bad enough, something within the blueprints for these stations prevents their deployment when another outpost is present in that system, which further impedes industrial efforts. Freighter travel through null ain't like dusting crops, after all. The industrial facilities of the starbase towers are hardly worth mentioning. The refinery modules are hard coded to literally destroy usable material, and storage hangers lack the quantum packing units found onboard stations, limiting the amount of material a manufacturing line can use. The limits of Outposts and Starbases alike are hard-coded into the blueprints, protected by an unbreakable DRM scheme and so persist despite our best efforts.
It's little wonder that many of us have a very cynical view on the outposts. The theory that theyGÇÖre part of a manipulation by the Empires is not uncommon, because it all seems to convenient. Let the more rebellious independent types populate the outer regions. We refuse to be the pets of the Empires anyway, so it keeps us out of their hair, and keeps the pirates and other criminals that flock to the lawless space in check. But letting us grow unchecked would risk a direct challenge to the Empires, which they couldn't accept. Crippling our industrial capabilities helps prevent that.
There's no proof of conspiracy - for the best ones, there never is - and it remains a tin foil hat theory. True or not, we have persisted. In the early years, our needs were small, and the crippled industry facilities were adequate. But over the years, our numbers have swelled, and with it our demand for ships. More recently, supplying the raw materials began to be an issue as well. Improved scanner technology uncovered hidden asteroid fields in deadspace, yet these fields always seemed peculiarly short of the less valuable yet crucial ores, even as rumors of the existence of "super ores" with ultra-high mineral concentrations. But if the scanning tech to give truth to those rumors exists, it certainly hasn't been shared with us.
Thanks to the application of jump technology to freighters, logisticians for the capsuleer alliances find it easier to simply haul entire ships out to our sovereign space. We produce capital ships not by mining locally, but by purchasing items with particularly dense mineral content, hauling them to our refineries, and melting them down. It's ridiculous, yes, but it's true. And as nearly half of all commercial activity in all of New Eden is carried out right there in the 4-4 Navy Assembly Plant, we're tied to Jita, and through it, the rest of Empire. I'm sure Caldari leadership would credit the existence of Jita to their business acumen. I call it dumb luck, myself. Regardless, it is what it is, and GÇ£what it isGÇ¥ is the cornerstone of our logistics networks. We appreciate its stability, and do not like that stability threatened.
That brings us back to the message. We cannot destroy Jita. CONCORD generously demonstrated their fallibility in the past, but they'd be enough of an obstacle to prevent us from doing so. Nevertheless, there are those who can, and they style themselves the leaders of the Caldari State. Or rather, he styles himself the leader of the Caldari State. Tibus Heth. His vision for the State is admirable. His actions are not. He will destabilize the State, and with it, our supply lines, which is unacceptable. And so today, the opposition forces have gained an ally of sorts, another voice. Our actions in Jita are a manifestation of that voice, of our message.
Heth must go. Mynnna for CSM 8 |
Zero Vigilant
Titanium Resolve
8
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Posted - 2013.04.19 23:24:00 -
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Although I do not agree with your methods, I do agree with the fact that Heth must go. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2464
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Posted - 2013.04.19 23:31:00 -
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Too long. Didn't read. Mane 614
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DeadRow
Utopian Research I.E.L. Suddenly Spaceships.
93
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Posted - 2013.04.19 23:40:00 -
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It's cute when Goons try and act like they care.
Just a note, how does killing a bunch of freighters harm Heth's position? You destroy ships, pilots buy more ships, the SSC get all those lovely taxes which I'm sure the State probably gets a cut of.
'***** and giggles' is more than enough of a reason, don't try and insult people's intelligence claiming it's for anything else.
-Hikari |
BloodBird
Mixed Metaphor
155
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Posted - 2013.04.19 23:42:00 -
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Here is the attention you crave, filth.
Your wall of text was to long. I did not read it.
Your supposed political message (extrapolated from the pitiful mewling of other goons and the statemnt of pilot Vigilant here) is a lie. Your doing this to feel relevant and important, there is no other reason for this.
It took me about 25.4 seconds to make this post, and it's all you get. Enjoy it.
Savor it.
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Arista Shahni
Real Simple Construction
15
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Posted - 2013.04.19 23:42:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Too long. Didn't read.
It basically says Indy corps should be encouraged to double the price of Tritanium in protest of Tiberius Heth. "I was dreaming once, and I dreampt of a world where I was nothing more than a biological fitting; a slave to the machine and crew, instead of the other way around. Don't you wonder at how easy it would have been for this scenario to happen, instead of how it actually unfolded?" |
Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.04.19 23:49:00 -
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it is because of tib bits like this I voted for her on CSM. But never fear, next year Jita will burn because the Amarr are to regilous, the Minmatar wants to stay free, or the Fedreation makes too much ****. But I ill bite and support the Heth must go cause. Blasters for life
https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com |
Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
183
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Posted - 2013.04.20 00:08:00 -
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Why make it messy? Sometimes the best reason is simply "because we can." |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
106
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Posted - 2013.04.20 03:04:00 -
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Heth threatens your supply lines. Instead of acting out against the State you fire on Capsuleer supply lines. Does that about sum it up? |
Heinel Coventina
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.04.20 03:08:00 -
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Not to mention, "Jita" cannot be destroyed, not because you cannot make the station explode, but because another Jita will replace it if you did. |
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
864
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Posted - 2013.04.20 03:17:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Heth threatens your supply lines. Instead of acting out against the State you fire on Capsuleer supply lines. Does that about sum it up?
That new brain dear daddy Sansha issued you doesn't work too well does it now sweetheart? Foolish of me to think it was obvious to everyone. Interdicting Jita is acting out against the State, or did you think that they don't bother to assess taxes and fees on the half of commerce in New Eden that passes through that system daily? Mynnna for CSM 8 |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2466
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Posted - 2013.04.20 04:23:00 -
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The point is that this is capsuleer commerce, which in terms of scale is minute in comparison to the market forces of the four major empires. Disrupting it will not be of any particular hindrance to Heth or the State in general - in fact, the only notable impact it will have on the State is that it will increase ship and module demand in Jita as downed ships need replacing. Supply is unlikely to be seriously disrupted by your efforts as they're neccessarily fairly short-term. Prices will spike, which means broker fees and SCC taxes will be larger. Given that the broker will be an employee of the Caldari Navy and the State likely gets a cut of SCC taxes on items sold in its jurisdiction, you're most likely just increasing the money the State gets.
Goons were a lot more admirable before they lost their balls and decided they needed a moral justification for their actions that takes longer than three words to describe. Mane 614
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Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
640
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Posted - 2013.04.20 04:48:00 -
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Posting in a "who gives a crap about Goons or Jita" thread... What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2013.04.20 07:29:00 -
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Captain Mynnna
though i see the idea to what you are trying to point at, i sort of fail to understand the point, capsulars work under differing laws then that of the Empires, we are free to roam among the empires as long as our personal actions do not hinder that... also as a capsular organisation, i dont deny many of those that roam and have carved themself territory and wealth, but despite this, you cant really honestly beleave you can compare that with the four empires.
Each of the four Empires have several hundred highly devolped worlds, many of them having several billions of people on each world, its a work force that create a economy, that fules a industry that, you simply cant compete with... you might be rich, you might done well, but you are still only a few thousend capsulars and those you been able to employ under very hard conditions in many cases hostile space, if i should make references in history, its like those mining colonies that "boom" for years, while there is the preachious minerals to be mined, and you got there, you exploited it, and im sure many of you, got very rich.
So, by shooting capsulars, you are bascially only hurting that tiny fraction of trade capsulars do, you want to go after Heth, then shouldent you target the infrastructure of what Heth controls, and in this case war against the Caldari State ?
I am not saying you shouldent or should, personally i have very good ties both within the Federation and the State, and i enjoy it for what it is !, i meerly dont see how the actions done have anything what so ever to do with Heth |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1658
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Posted - 2013.04.20 07:48:00 -
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Sure is a lot of ad hominem in this thread. This seems to be a fairly standard case with capsuleers, I've noticed. |
Rana Ash
Gradient Electus Matari
188
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Posted - 2013.04.20 11:28:00 -
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Can't you guys start a sports team or something if you are that bored?, instead of bothering hard working people.. |
Shiori Shaishi
Terpalen Trading Corporation
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Posted - 2013.04.20 14:35:00 -
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The Goonswarm must've been cutting oxygen rations again. |
chaosjj
State Enforcement Directive
21
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Posted - 2013.04.20 14:37:00 -
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Miss Mynnna, i admire your goal, as it is one i happen to agree with, Heth must leave, but, your method greatly hinders your fellow independent Capluleers who do their buisness in Jita, and it ruins our local Capsuleer economy. |
Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
268
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Posted - 2013.04.21 05:01:00 -
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chaosjj wrote:Miss Mynnna, i admire your goal, as it is one i happen to agree with, Heth must leave, but, your method greatly hinders your fellow independent Capluleers who do their buisness in Jita, and it ruins our local Capsuleer economy. I don't see why any of us Goons should give a damn about any of that. Editor: TheMittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
877
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Posted - 2013.04.21 05:34:00 -
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Now now Captain Vea, we give plenty a damn about it, seeing as that economy forms the underpinnings of our own logistics. The fears dear jj expresses are understandable, though typically short sighted. Mynnna for CSM 8 |
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Toluijin Chagangan
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
110
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Posted - 2013.04.21 08:52:00 -
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why Jita burns.
Because : Goonswarm.
That is all.
Seven Tribes. One Matari People. |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
108
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Posted - 2013.04.21 13:41:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:Heth threatens your supply lines. Instead of acting out against the State you fire on Capsuleer supply lines. Does that about sum it up? That new brain dear daddy Sansha issued you doesn't work too well does it now sweetheart? Foolish of me to think it was obvious to everyone. Interdicting Jita is acting out against the State, or did you think that they don't bother to assess taxes and fees on the half of commerce in New Eden that passes through that system daily?
Taxes on Capsuleer transactions are taxed by the entity SCC, a division of CONCORD and not the Caldari State. No matter where the transaction occurs, as long as it uses standard CONCORD relays to complete the transaction it is a CONCORD taxed transaction. So once again, you are not harming the State with these actions. And the SCC taxes are such a small part of income to CONCORD you're not hurting them either. The only thing you hurt are Capsuleer supply lines and the baseliners on Capsuleer ships caught in your way.
The State does not care about your little 'campaign'. They have moved no forces to stop you. Not even a single Bantam to get in your way. Because to them, you are irrelevant. |
Jeremiah Cole
Svalinn Corporation
0
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Posted - 2013.04.22 04:57:00 -
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This protest, while it might have once stirred up some semblance of attention from those with pay grades grander than mine, is all tooGÇöif I mayGÇölast year. Still... that certainly wasn't how I expected things to go. Amusing spin on a rather annoying couple of days. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
812
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Posted - 2013.04.22 05:14:00 -
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Did something happen in Jita? Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
175
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Posted - 2013.04.22 05:17:00 -
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Too long, didn't read.
Cheers for all of the ISK made off of collateral on shipments designed to fail. Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of-áK+îKAK. Despite her corporate journey, Quinzel now subscribes to the leanings of the Practical bloc.-á |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps Interstellar Online Network
1436
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Posted - 2013.04.22 15:54:00 -
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So Goons destroye Jita... commerce moves to Dodixie... or Rens... or someplace else that's more than five minutes from Goonspace. I'd love to them trying to haul all their precious minerals from the south end of the Amarrian Empire. "Burning Jita" hurts themselves more than anyone else. Q: Just how bad were missiles and drones nerfed?-á A: They're adding them to Amarr ships now. |
Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords
19
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Posted - 2013.04.23 01:07:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:So Goons destroye Jita... commerce moves to Dodixie... or Rens... or someplace else that's more than five minutes from Goonspace. I'd love to them trying to haul all their precious minerals from the south end of the Amarrian Empire. "Burning Jita" hurts themselves more than anyone else.
I am unsure if ou reeally believe this...or you are trolling.. Blasters for life
https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
738
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Posted - 2013.04.23 01:10:00 -
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I'm just going to sit over here, eat my popcorn and watch this discussion unfold.
Like Jita, it's going to burn. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Sepherim
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
389
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Posted - 2013.04.23 01:29:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:I don't see why any of us Goons should give a damn about any of that.
Mynna wrote:Now now Captain Vea, we give plenty a damn about it, seeing as that economy forms the underpinnings of our own logistics. The fears dear jj expresses are understandable, though typically short sighted.
Captain Mynna, after captain Vea's declaration, you can stop pretending to have ulterior reasons as those you exposed, or that you "give plenty a damn". Goons never did, and never will, and captain Vea's own words are proof of it. You can stop pretending.
Oh, and you should teach some basic lessons on "contradicing the public figures of your own corporation in public", it just ruins all your "hard work". Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Ensign Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
894
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Posted - 2013.04.23 13:38:00 -
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Sepherim wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote:I don't see why any of us Goons should give a damn about any of that. Mynna wrote:Now now Captain Vea, we give plenty a damn about it, seeing as that economy forms the underpinnings of our own logistics. The fears dear jj expresses are understandable, though typically short sighted. Captain Mynna, after captain Vea's declaration, you can stop pretending to have ulterior reasons as those you exposed, or that you "give plenty a damn". Goons never did, and never will, and captain Vea's own words are proof of it. You can stop pretending. Oh, and you should teach some basic lessons on "contradicing the public figures of your own corporation in public", it just ruins all your "hard work".
Captain Vea's declaration is in line with what many a line member believe. Those of us in leadership, particularly those of us who run the finance and logistics operations for the swarm, know better. This is not inconsistent with my original statement. Mynnna for CSM 8 |
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