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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.04.21 14:59:00 -
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So, I just saw CCP T0rtifrans wearing a T-shirt with that name... and I researched for it... and was appalled to learn that, as usual, some stoopid American couldn't get Spanish right.
"Los pollos hermanos" means litherally "the brother chickens" as in chickens who are sons of the same parent(s), and that sentence makes as much sense in Spanish as it does in English.
Of course, what happened was that someone was thinking about calling a restaurant "The chicken brothers", as in sons of the same parent(s) who are related to chicken. And rather than ask, just made a litheral translation and figured that it was enough to shift the posiition of the words, producing a Spanish name that makes no f*** sense.
Another possibility was that they actually asked and learned that what they tried to say was "Los hermanos de los pollos", which is slightly funny in Spanish because it's ambiguous, but they thought that it was a damn long name for a restaurant and so they went with "Los pollos hermanos" as it actually didn't mattered...
Unless it matters, when you're one of the 500 million people in the world who speak Spanish, and you're bored on a lazy Sunday and just want to stir some noise about a silly name on a silly TV series. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.04.21 15:10:00 -
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I'm not seeing the problem..........really. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2013.04.21 17:17:00 -
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The Chicken Brothers.
Los Pollos is the chicken joint in Breaking Bad. Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel IG OOPE |
Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.21 22:44:00 -
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Yup, it's the name of the fried chicken franchise owned by meth kingpin Gus Fring whom Walt and Jesse work for making meth for a season of Breaking Bad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |
Graelyn
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.04.22 00:06:00 -
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Don't interrupt her America-bashing with facts! It's rude! + Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit" YR113 Amarr Loyalist of the Year
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.04.22 06:44:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:The Chicken Brothers.
Los Pollos is the chicken joint in Breaking Bad.
I already learned that, but the point is that the purported Spanish name doesn't makes any sense because somebody didn't gave a damn that it made sense in Spanish.
The way they translated it, "The chicken brothers" becomes "The brother chickens". And, believe it or not, saying nonsense in another language out of carelessness and/or disregard (not ignorance) it's slightly offensive. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2013.04.22 06:51:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:The Chicken Brothers.
Los Pollos is the chicken joint in Breaking Bad. I already learned that, but the point is that the purported Spanish name doesn't makes any sense because somebody didn't gave a damn that it made sense in Spanish. The way they translated it, "The chicken brothers" becomes "The brother chickens". And, believe it or not, saying nonsense in another language out of carelessness and/or disregard ( not ignorance) it's slightly offensive.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.04.22 06:57:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:The Chicken Brothers.
Los Pollos is the chicken joint in Breaking Bad. I already learned that, but the point is that the purported Spanish name doesn't makes any sense because somebody didn't gave a damn that it made sense in Spanish. The way they translated it, "The chicken brothers" becomes "The brother chickens". And, believe it or not, saying nonsense in another language out of carelessness and/or disregard ( not ignorance) it's slightly offensive. Well the internet seems to disagree with you so there.
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Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.22 08:04:00 -
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Offensive? Who has claimed to be insulted by it?
There's a restaurant called Los Tacos Hermanos in Santiago, Chile, the country where Gus Fring's character comes from in Breaking Bad.
Maybe all of Chile is gravely, deeply offended by the name and nobody buys their tacos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |
AeonExo
Ministry of Destruction SCUM.
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Posted - 2013.04.22 08:06:00 -
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Came to thread thinking they've opened Los Pollos Hermanos IRL, only to be disappointed :(.
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Minmat Sebtin
House of Sebtin
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Posted - 2013.04.22 11:32:00 -
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I suggest writing a very stern letter to the writers of Breaking Bad, informing them of this offensive mistake and demand they correct the name in all previous episodes and merchandise. Are you an Industrialist who uses large amounts of Construction Components? Looking for ways to reduce costs? Then I can help you! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174135 |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
752
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Posted - 2013.04.22 12:15:00 -
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Well, as an avid Breaking Bad fan ... "Los Pollos Hermanos" doesn-¦t offend me at all.
And I-¦m pretty much a latinamerican spanish speaking, spanish thinking person.
Whatever issues you may have with that, please lemme point you out to THIS ... I still laugh ...
"Soy Alergico a los Crustaceos" y "SOY UN NARCOTRAFICANTE COLOMBIANO" ... those are the best lines ever in our family to fool around
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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services Russian International Allegiance
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Posted - 2013.04.22 19:09:00 -
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Indah, don't be offended !
Remember to always laugh at stupid. (<- this sentence is intentionally wrong, both gramatically and morally)
Also this: If chinese got tattooed, the way we get chinese symbols tattooed.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.04.22 19:31:00 -
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Oh, I'm not really offended, but I had to justify the effort spent in deciphering what or who was or were "The brother chickens" in CCP T0rtifrans' shirt. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
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Posted - 2013.04.22 21:32:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:So, I just saw CCP T0rtifrans wearing a T-shirt with that name... and I researched for it... and was appalled to learn that, as usual, some stoopid American couldn't get Spanish right. We is American. We has the right to ruin every language on Earth. Including our own. And we will. Get used to it.
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Slymah
33 RD
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Posted - 2013.04.22 21:52:00 -
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HTFU |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
758
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Posted - 2013.04.23 14:59:00 -
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AeonExo wrote:Came to thread thinking they've opened Los Pollos Hermanos IRL, only to be disappointed :(.
IKR !!!
I DREAM of that franchise opening up ...
I still get my mouth drooling just by watching THE POLLOS HERMANOS TV Ad ...
Edit: #Iconfess I have two t-shirts, one for my wife and one for me, and we go out sometimes with them, and people ask us about it here in Panama, we just look at each other and say it-¦s the best damn restaurant in the USA as we laugh. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Fearghaz Tiwas
ZOMBIEBEACHPARTYPATROL Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:08:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:So, I just saw CCP T0rtifrans wearing a T-shirt with that name... and I researched for it... and was appalled to learn that, as usual, some stoopid American couldn't get Spanish right. We is American. We has the right to ruin every language on Earth. Including our own. And we will. Get used to it.
Americans have their own language? |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:12:00 -
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Fearghaz Tiwas wrote:silens vesica wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:So, I just saw CCP T0rtifrans wearing a T-shirt with that name... and I researched for it... and was appalled to learn that, as usual, some stoopid American couldn't get Spanish right. We is American. We has the right to ruin every language on Earth. Including our own. And we will. Get used to it. Americans have their own language? Damn straight we do. Haven't you been checking the settings on the Micrsoft Office Family of Products(tm)? Among other things, you can choose between... (wait for it!)... English English, and American English!
Seriously, between usage and spelling the two dialects are drifting apart fairly rapidly.
Edit: And even American English is becoming fragmented. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:19:00 -
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Fearghaz Tiwas wrote:silens vesica wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:So, I just saw CCP T0rtifrans wearing a T-shirt with that name... and I researched for it... and was appalled to learn that, as usual, some stoopid American couldn't get Spanish right. We is American. We has the right to ruin every language on Earth. Including our own. And we will. Get used to it. Americans have their own language?
There's English English and American English. Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel IG OOPE |
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Fearghaz Tiwas
ZOMBIEBEACHPARTYPATROL Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:28:00 -
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I was being facetious, as you well know, but ok. I'd actually argue that they're getting a lot closer with TV shows showing on both sides of the Atlantic. In England, some people get... upset at "Americanisms, but I read an article that nearly as many British words are crossing back over the other way.
I still don't think they're different languages, more like dialects. I think there is some difference between Latin American Spanish and Portuguese, and the laguagues spoken in Europe. Are they considered different languages? |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:56:00 -
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Fearghaz Tiwas wrote:I was being facetious, as you well know, but ok. I'd actually argue that they're getting a lot closer with TV shows showing on both sides of the Atlantic. In England, some people get... upset at "Americanisms, but I read an article that nearly as many British words are crossing back over the other way.
I still don't think they're different languages, more like dialects. I think there is some difference between Latin American Spanish and Portuguese, and the laguagues spoken in Europe. Are they considered different languages? Yeah, I kinda figured.
Interwebs and such fight the drift, but we're adding loan-words from so many languanges at this point that I don't think the drift can ever be halted. There may at some future date a general merging of languanges from similar roots, but we're going to drift a lot more more before we start converging again. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.23 22:11:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Yeah, I kinda figured.
Interwebs and such fight the drift, but we're adding loan-words from so many languanges at this point that I don't think the drift can ever be halted. There may at some future date a general merging of languanges from similar roots, but we're going to drift a lot more more before we start converging again. Pretty sure just about every linguist of the English language in the world would disagree with you on that one.
Standardization is the rule and continues to be in England, the US, etc. The trend in dialects has been that of converging and leveling and nothing's changed.
There's no second n near the end of language, btw.
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
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Posted - 2013.04.23 22:24:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:silens vesica wrote:Yeah, I kinda figured.
Interwebs and such fight the drift, but we're adding loan-words from so many languanges at this point that I don't think the drift can ever be halted. There may at some future date a general merging of languanges from similar roots, but we're going to drift a lot more more before we start converging again. Pretty sure just about every linguist of the English language in the world would disagree with you on that one. Standardization is the rule and continues to be in England, the US, etc. The trend in dialects has been that of converging and leveling and nothing's changed. There's no second n near the end of language, btw. Fingers don't always know what they're doing.
Not at all sure I'd agree with that disagreement. I'm rather widely travelled, and work for an international company. Observation (which I admit =! data) suggests otherwise. But what do I know? That's the subjective observation of a life-long globe-trotter. Take it with all the salt you deem necessary. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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Daimon Kaiera
Kraken.
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Posted - 2013.04.23 22:25:00 -
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AeonExo wrote:Came to thread thinking they've opened Los Pollos Hermanos IRL, only to be disappointed :(.
I have to say it. I thought your avatar was an ass when I first looked at it. Here by talk start if go able? |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2013.04.23 22:37:00 -
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Daimon Kaiera wrote:AeonExo wrote:Came to thread thinking they've opened Los Pollos Hermanos IRL, only to be disappointed :(.
I have to say it. I thought your avatar was an ass when I first looked at it.
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Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:09:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Fingers don't always know what they're doing. Not at all sure I'd agree with that disagreement. I'm rather widely travelled, and work for an international company. Observation (which I admit =! data) suggests otherwise. But what do I know? That's the subjective observation of a life-long globe-trotter. Take it with all the salt you deem necessary. There's one really rather simple to detect dialect leveling.
Listen to young people from a given area speak. Then listen to their grandparents.
The last hundred years have been a holocaust of sorts with regards to regional and local dialects. Not just in English-speaking areas, but across the world. In Germany the Niederdeutsche and Saxon dialects have or are dying out being replaced by High German. In France, Provencal/Occitan are other local dialects by Paris French. In Spain, Leonese, Asturian, Aragonese by Castillian. In Britain one of the most dramatic examples is Scots falling out of use in favor of standard English, and otherwise in the rest of Britain local dialects have been transforming toward the standard English of that country, or fading away/disappearing.
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:50:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:silens vesica wrote:Fingers don't always know what they're doing. Not at all sure I'd agree with that disagreement. I'm rather widely travelled, and work for an international company. Observation (which I admit =! data) suggests otherwise. But what do I know? That's the subjective observation of a life-long globe-trotter. Take it with all the salt you deem necessary. There's one really rather simple to detect dialect leveling. Listen to young people from a given area speak. Then listen to their grandparents. The last hundred years have been a holocaust of sorts with regards to regional and local dialects. Not just in English-speaking areas, but across the world. In Germany the Niederdeutsche and Saxon dialects have or are dying out being replaced by High German. In France, Provencal/Occitan are other local dialects by Paris French. In Spain, Leonese, Asturian, Aragonese by Castillian. In Britain one of the most dramatic examples is Scots falling out of use in favor of standard English, and otherwise in the rest of Britain local dialects have been transforming toward the standard English of that country, or fading away/disappearing. It goes without saying universal education, mass media, instant communications, the rise of the nation-state, bodies governing languages and their grammar and spelling, the creation of standard dictionaries, and the fact that governments use a single dialect and no others of their national language in governing, jurisprudence, etc. all contribute toward that trend. Heh. Then you run across folks from the Southeast US that need a foriegner to translate so fellow Americans can understand him, or 'english' speaking cultures in inner cities whom can't understand you, and you can't understand them - they're using the same words, but the meaning is completely unintelligible. And it's growing worse - I've been in cities where neighboring gangs need translators, because neither can understand the other well enough to decide it they're friends, or need to start shanking each other.
Among other things in my life, I've been a Service Recruiter, and I can tell you I've run across some astonishing variations in language - sometimes over the distance of a few hundred yards, despite technically being the same base lingo. Loanwods, re-purposed words, and shifts between denotation and connotation make a god-awful hash of things.
But, as I say - I'm a subjective observer, rather than a linguist. Use salt as seems necessary. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.24 00:42:00 -
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You come across someone who has more recently come across differing styles of speech in the past few years than, say, a door-to-door salesman who has been traveling the breadth and width of England or the US for the past 50 years.
There's what you may think is going on, and what is actually, factually going on. Convergence and leveling is happening, dialects are moving toward the "standard" form, and hundreds of local dialects have died out altogether in English alone, completely disappeared off the face of Earth, in the last century. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
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Posted - 2013.04.24 01:30:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:You come across someone who has more recently come across differing styles of speech in the past few years than, say, a door-to-door salesman who has been traveling the breadth and width of England or the US for the past 50 years.
That's actually a pretty fair description of me. Plus add some time overseas.
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