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Royal Executioner Shazih
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.24 06:17:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Can u remind me how much ever-growing EVE has? The ever-growing EVE that isn't free to play like LoL is? Besides, why does it matter that EVE has 500,000 subscribers instead of 50,000,000? We're going for quality here, not quantity. LoL isn't even an MMORPG, so I don't know why you're trying to compare it to EVE anyway.
It is if u buy PLEX for isk. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4684
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Posted - 2013.04.24 06:19:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Can u remind me how much ever-growing EVE has? The ever-growing EVE that isn't free to play like LoL is? Besides, why does it matter that EVE has 500,000 subscribers instead of 50,000,000? We're going for quality here, not quantity. LoL isn't even an MMORPG, so I don't know why you're trying to compare it to EVE anyway. It is if u buy PLEX for isk. Because PLEX randomly pops out of veldspar asteroids and Guristas pirates, right? Module activation timers are buggy. CCP please fix. |
Royal Executioner Shazih
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.04.24 06:23:00 -
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Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
I guess there is a fraction that would satisfy both.
If this thread hasn't shown you that there really isn't, then I don't know what to say :/
The amount of approving posts here does not imply anything. I'll gain more support as time X comes closer. |
Royal Executioner Shazih
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.04.24 06:27:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Can u remind me how much ever-growing EVE has? The ever-growing EVE that isn't free to play like LoL is? Besides, why does it matter that EVE has 500,000 subscribers instead of 50,000,000? We're going for quality here, not quantity. LoL isn't even an MMORPG, so I don't know why you're trying to compare it to EVE anyway. It is if u buy PLEX for isk. Because PLEX randomly pops out of veldspar asteroids and Guristas pirates, right?
Of course dude, of course |
Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
120
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Posted - 2013.04.24 06:30:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
I guess there is a fraction that would satisfy both.
If this thread hasn't shown you that there really isn't, then I don't know what to say :/ The amount of approving posts here does not imply anything. I'll gain more support as time X comes closer.
It implies that you can't make everyone happy on this issue. You probably will gain more support as time X comes closer, but the fact that you can't make everyone happy will still be true. This is why CCP makes wide-sweeping changes to the skill tree like this so rarely. At this point if they changed anything, they'd have to give another 6 months as warning so people could prepare for the new system, whatever that would be; and at some level you must know that's not going to happen. I don't want to tell you you're fighting a hopeless battle, so I won't tell you about the hopeless battle you're fighting.
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dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep The Methodical Alliance
136
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Posted - 2013.04.24 06:44:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Georgina Parmala wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Let's take League of legends. Players ask for sale there all the time and no1 writes like' hey I paid for that char full price, so u have too'. Even when I bought a char for full price and it was put on sale 2 weeks later I never flamed about it, because I've already been enjoying it for 2 weeks.
But EVE players played EVE too much and so here all I get is: 'EVE is harsh. Deal with it. etc.' U guys forgot that EVE just a game. Yes, lets. There are no "skill point" sales in league. There are "Aurum" sales. Kind of like EvE has PLEX bundle sales. This relates to character progression how? Oh right, you can buy boosts in league that increase leveling speed for noobs, kind of like buying PLEX to fund implants in EvE. Also, the reason people tell you to deal with it when you buy a character that then goes on sale, is the sales are announced well in advance. Sound familiar? They reduce in-game prices of old characters over time. Kind of like EvE is about to reduce training requirements on specialized ships. Both have the same goal - to help a new player catch up to a competitive level. You're just mad that I have every single champion in the League. That **** took effort. Err, made a skill plan that gave me what I wanted out of the skill changes. (Disclaimer: I don't actually have every single champion in league - any more, since I started playing EvE I'm about 10 short) League of legends only and always helps newer players by slowly cutting advantages of older players. LoL would be the same as EVE if everyone who starts playing that game is forced to purchase characters in their release order. Do u think anyone would play it? Supporting newer players is the only viable option as older players get bored by the game/change lifestyle etc. CCP on the other hand does the opposite. EVE growing year by year. But who are they? New players? Returnig? Alts? LoL has over 30 mil accounts. Can u remind me how much ever-growing EVE has?
You cannot compare Eve's growth to LoL. LoL is a casual focused game with a competitive side and a gradual learning curve. Eve is a very hardcore competitive focused game with a steep learning curve (and a niche market to boot). However the number of current active subscribers has overall been growing and there is no way that all of them are alts and returning players.
There will be no SP reimbursement for people who were unprepared. This is Eve to its core. Everything in Eve is unfair and if you can't handle that, you shouldn't play. |
Dave Stark
2805
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Posted - 2013.04.24 06:46:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
I guess there is a fraction that would satisfy both.
If this thread hasn't shown you that there really isn't, then I don't know what to say :/ The amount of approving posts here does not imply anything. I'll gain more support as time X comes closer.
no you won't.
stupidity is a constant. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2370
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Posted - 2013.04.24 06:55:00 -
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I demand a cut for doing nothing! Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Royal Executioner Shazih
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.04.24 07:05:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
I guess there is a fraction that would satisfy both.
If this thread hasn't shown you that there really isn't, then I don't know what to say :/ The amount of approving posts here does not imply anything. I'll gain more support as time X comes closer. no you won't. stupidity is a constant.
U cry like a 10-year old boy. Oh, wait. U probably are a 10-year old boy |
Johno R
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.04.24 07:50:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
I guess there is a fraction that would satisfy both.
If this thread hasn't shown you that there really isn't, then I don't know what to say :/ The amount of approving posts here does not imply anything. I'll gain more support as time X comes closer. no you won't. stupidity is a constant. U cry like a 10-year old boy. Oh, wait. U probably are a 10-year old boy As I was reading, I was thinking of posting something along the lines of
"Don't worry so much about it. In a couple of months time you won't even remember about this event. I bet for you that it seems now as if everything takes so long to train, and that EVERY other player has more skillspoints than me, therefore being inherently better. Seriously once you start getting key skills to lol 5, you use you're first T2 ship or weapon (if you aren't already) time won't be such an issue. Here, take some of this weed and chill :)"
But seriously? "U cry like a 10-year old"? Come on man, don't be stupid like that. It will just add fuel to the thread flame |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
8081
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Posted - 2013.04.24 07:51:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
League of legends only and always helps newer players by slowly cutting advantages of older players. LoL would be the same as EVE if everyone who starts playing that game is forced to purchase characters in their release order. Do u think anyone would play it? Supporting newer players is the only viable option as older players get bored by the game/change lifestyle etc. CCP on the other hand does the opposite. EVE growing year by year. But who are they? New players? Returnig? Alts? LoL has over 30 mil accounts. Can u remind me how much ever-growing EVE has?
Name one MMO that can boast of A: being 10 years old B: Apart from the occasional glitch, such as Incarna and its fallout, having a steady increase in subs during that those 10 years.
You can exclude World of Warcraft, it's subs are up and down like an elevator, depending on whether or not Blizzard has released a new expansion for purchase.
Most MMO's spike early and then fade or go pay to win/ free to play. The beauty of Eve, unlike 99.9% of MMOs, is that there is no end game content, old players don't get bored and leave, as evidenced by the considerable amount of people who have actively played since Eve was in beta, they instead create their own content,which is much better than dev content anyway, and ridicule the instant gratification gamers. I'm a relative newbie at coming up on 4 years, Eve is one of the very few games that has held my attention for any considerable time period. A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
725
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Posted - 2013.04.24 08:01:00 -
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What about...NO !!!!
Why should someone not willing to have those skills get free SP when we, who have spent lots of time training for, are getting NONE ?
So let's get this straight once and for all: no one is getting FREE SP !!"if you could fly it before you will be able to fly it after"
How hard is this to understand??? *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Morrow Disca
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
32
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Posted - 2013.04.24 08:12:00 -
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You Why Are
The OP can't even put the effort into typing 3 little words. No wonder you fails at planning ahead. No free SP for you, the rest of us had to give up time in our skill plans to earn this SP. You have done nothing. |
Royal Executioner Shazih
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.04.24 08:37:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:What about...NO !!!!
Why should someone not willing to have those skills get free SP when we, who have spent lots of time training for, are getting NONE ?
So let's get this straight once and for all: no one is getting FREE SP !!"if you could fly it before you will be able to fly it after"
How hard is this to understand???
EDIT: Why should I loose SP or ability to fly all of my T3's, T2's and Command ships when I can already do it now ?
Why people that haven't invested time in training all frigates/cruisers at 5 Destroyers and battlecruisers at 5, all T2 ships at least at 4 and all T3's subs and skills, get 2M free Sp?
Because they're special snowflakes?
Because u got a gift of being able to fly all T2 destroyers and T2 BCs for training only 2 universal skills. Pure gift u perceive as a norm. Now that gift is about to be removed. And so I ask for fraction of it. Simple as that. |
Frying Doom
2403
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Posted - 2013.04.24 08:43:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:What about...NO !!!!
Why should someone not willing to have those skills get free SP when we, who have spent lots of time training for, are getting NONE ?
So let's get this straight once and for all: no one is getting FREE SP !!"if you could fly it before you will be able to fly it after"
How hard is this to understand???
EDIT: Why should I loose SP or ability to fly all of my T3's, T2's and Command ships when I can already do it now ?
Why people that haven't invested time in training all frigates/cruisers at 5 Destroyers and battlecruisers at 5, all T2 ships at least at 4 and all T3's subs and skills, get 2M free Sp?
Because they're special snowflakes? Because u got a gift of being able to fly all T2 destroyers and T2 BCs for training only 2 universal skills. Pure gift u perceive as a norm. Now that gift is about to be removed. And so I ask for fraction of it. Simple as that. It is not a gift, it is a reward.
A gift is something given freely, a reward is something earned. Those who spent the time earning Destroyer V and BC V, have earned the new racial skills.
They chose to sacrifice now for a future payout, you did nothing and still want a future payout.
Not going to happen. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Virginia Virdana
Envoy Fast Deployment
45
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Posted - 2013.04.24 08:45:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:I guess there is a fraction that would satisfy both.
The fraction that the Eve community is willing to offer you as compensation is 0/8ths now, with additional weekly payments of 0/8ths up to the date of release. After that you're on your own.
They say never come to a gunfight armed with a knife.You appear to have come armed with a spoon. |
baltec1
Bat Country
6054
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Posted - 2013.04.24 08:45:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Because u got a gift of being able to fly all T2 destroyers and T2 BCs for training only 2 universal skills. Pure gift u perceive as a norm. Now that gift is about to be removed. And so I ask for fraction of it. Simple as that.
Why exactly do you deserve free SP to put anywhere when I am getting nothing at all other than a more expensive clone cost? |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
210
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Posted - 2013.04.24 08:51:00 -
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Every change has its winners and losers this time surprisingly considering the nature of New Eden there will be far more winners.
You like everyone else have had months of warning about this and there are still two months until Odyssey is deployed I suggest you get your training sorted out and you should manage Destroyer and BC 5 in time.
NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
8084
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Posted - 2013.04.24 08:53:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Because u got a gift of being able to fly all T2 destroyers and T2 BCs for training only 2 universal skills. Pure gift u perceive as a norm. Now that gift is about to be removed. And so I ask for fraction of it. Simple as that.
It's not a gift, we trained those skills, therefore we can fly those ships, both before and after the upcoming patch, you on the other hand have not trained those skills, therefore you won't be able to fly those ships before and after the patch, unless you start training now, which is within the realms of possibility. All CCP are doing is bringing those two oddities in line with the pre existing racial ship skill types. The only change for those of us that already have the skills, that you are so upset about, is that our clones just got more expensive.
Now give us one good reason why you should get SP for free, when those of us that have invested the time only get to retain the ability to fly ships that we already can.
BTW "u" is actually spelt YOU, by using "u" as an abbreviation you make yourself look both immature and foolish, especially given that Eve tends to appeal to a more mature audience. A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Royal Executioner Shazih
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.04.24 09:00:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Because u got a gift of being able to fly all T2 destroyers and T2 BCs for training only 2 universal skills. Pure gift u perceive as a norm. Now that gift is about to be removed. And so I ask for fraction of it. Simple as that.
It's not a gift, we trained those skills, therefore we can fly those ships, both before and after the upcoming patch, you on the other hand have not trained those skills, therefore you won't be able to fly those ships before and after the patch, unless you start training now, which is within the realms of possibility. All CCP are doing is bringing those two oddities in line with the pre existing racial ship skill types. The only change for those of us that already have the skills, that you are so upset about, is that our clones just got more expensive, we're not gaining anything at all, we are simply retaining what we already have. You on the other hand seem to want a handout, I've got news for you, not going to happen. Now give us one good reason why you should get SP for free, when those of us that have invested the time only get to retain the ability to fly ships that we already can. BTW "u" is actually spelt YOU, by using "u" as an abbreviation you make yourself look both immature and foolish, especially given that Eve tends to appeal to a more mature audience.
You were supposed to be able to fly T2 say Amarr BC for 20 days of training, right? But for some odd reason it allowed u to fly all T2 BCs. Right? So it is a gift you've been enjoying ever since u got BC til V. Right? You already got more than intended. Right? So I also can get more than indented by YOUR logic |
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1028
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Posted - 2013.04.24 09:01:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:You were supposed to be able to fly T2 say Amarr BC for 20 days of training, right? But for some odd reason it allowed u to fly all T2 BCs. Right? So it is a gift you've been enjoying ever since u got BC til V. Right? You already got more than intended. Right? So I also can get more than indented by YOUR logic no he was supposed to be able to fly every bc at v for 20 days of training |
baltec1
Bat Country
6054
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Posted - 2013.04.24 09:04:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
You were supposed to be able to fly T2 say Amarr BC for 20 days of training, right? But for some odd reason it allowed u to fly all T2 BCs. Right? So it is a gift you've been enjoying ever since u got BC til V. Right? You already got more than intended. Right? So I also can get more than indented by YOUR logic
Wrong. We got exactly what CCP intended, but it is silly having just one skill for all 4 ships so CCP are changing it.
What we are getting is exactly what we can fly now but lumped with millions of extra SP which will do nothing but push a lot of us into a more expensive clone.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
8084
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Posted - 2013.04.24 09:10:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: You were supposed to be able to fly T2 say Amarr BC for 20 days of training, right? But for some odd reason it allowed u to fly all T2 BCs. Right? So it is a gift you've been enjoying ever since u got BC til V. Right? You already got more than intended. Right? So I also can get more than indented by YOUR logic
No I did not get more than intended, as the battlecruiser skill currently stands I get the ability to fly the racial battlecruisers that I have the prerequisite skills for, and actually no I can't fly a T2 battlecruiser because I don't have the relevant skill, command ships, trained. What I do have is the ability to fly T1 battlecruisers up to and including the tier 3s, T=tech, not tier, and I will be retaining that ability after patch day, because CCP are not going to penalise people for having the foresight to take advantage of a well publicised change in the skill queue. A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Halete
Alexylva Paradox
769
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Posted - 2013.04.24 09:11:00 -
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People like to use the 'stick & carrot' metaphor (inappropriately mind you) in EVE concerning development choices.
So in this case this is like CCP is bludgeoning fail-skill-planners within inches of their life and in return the players are saying "Please just give us the carrot CCP." Trading chains for shackles, I am free. |
Dave Stark
2808
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Posted - 2013.04.24 09:40:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:U cry like a 10-year old boy. Oh, wait. U probably are a 10-year old boy
let's see the facts here.
starts thread crying about ship changes you were informed about nearly a year ago. had plenty of time to train the skills but decided not to. demands 2mil SP for no reason other than stupidity. complains bitterly when people point out your error. say i'm the one crying.
the people in this room with me are wondering why i'm laughing so hard.
please, try harder. |
Miles Harker
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.04.24 09:47:00 -
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I read this post last night and found out about these changes for the first time. I immediately adjusted my skill plan, used one of my remaps, plugged in my +4s and guess what?
I will complete all the training to include; BC 5, Destoyer 5 and all racial frigate and cruiser skills before the launch of Odyssey. Bear in mind I'm 3 days old.
So, perhaps if your first reaction was not to come to the forums and complain. And it was instead to investigate the feasibility of achieving the skills within the time frame, like I have, then I may have had a little more sympathy for you. |
Daimon Kaiera
Kraken.
240
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Posted - 2013.04.24 09:52:00 -
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Miles Harker wrote:I read this post last night and found out about these changes for the first time. I immediately adjusted my skill plan, used one of my remaps, plugged in my +4s and guess what?
I will complete all the training to include; BC 5, Destoyer 5 and all racial frigate and cruiser skills before the launch of Odyssey. Bear in mind I'm 3 days old.
So, perhaps if your first reaction was not to come to the forums and complain. And it was instead to investigate the feasibility of achieving the skills within the time frame, like I have, then I may have had a little more sympathy for you.
How did you train the Cybernetics skills to plug in +4's in less than three days?
Or afford them, for that matter. Here by talk start if go able? |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep The Methodical Alliance
136
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Posted - 2013.04.24 09:54:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Because u got a gift of being able to fly all T2 destroyers and T2 BCs for training only 2 universal skills. Pure gift u perceive as a norm. Now that gift is about to be removed. And so I ask for fraction of it. Simple as that.
It's not a gift, we trained those skills, therefore we can fly those ships, both before and after the upcoming patch, you on the other hand have not trained those skills, therefore you won't be able to fly those ships before and after the patch, unless you start training now, which is within the realms of possibility. All CCP are doing is bringing those two oddities in line with the pre existing racial ship skill types. The only change for those of us that already have the skills, that you are so upset about, is that our clones just got more expensive, we're not gaining anything at all, we are simply retaining what we already have. You on the other hand seem to want a handout, I've got news for you, not going to happen. Now give us one good reason why you should get SP for free, when those of us that have invested the time only get to retain the ability to fly ships that we already can. BTW "u" is actually spelt YOU, by using "u" as an abbreviation you make yourself look both immature and foolish, especially given that Eve tends to appeal to a more mature audience. You were supposed to be able to fly T2 say Amarr BC for 20 days of training, right? But for some odd reason it allowed u to fly all T2 BCs. Right? So it is a gift you've been enjoying ever since u got BC til V. Right? You already got more than intended. Right? So I also can get more than indented by YOUR logic
He still had to train the racial frigate and racial cruiser skill up and if he wanted to fly all the ships he had to train the racials for each. The more you rage about this the more you are going to be laughed at and told no. |
Ra Jackson
CRIMINALS IN ACTION
170
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Posted - 2013.04.24 09:56:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Hi everyone. Some of u will object because we all knew that in advance and could train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V. BUT while for older players 20-30 days of training is nothing newer players cant afford to spend so much time on 1-2 skills. It gives unfair advantage to older players and players who already have Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V over newer player.
So older players have more skills than newer players? Who would have thought.. I halted Titan 5 to get Destroyers to 5, so shut up! |
Miles Harker
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.04.24 09:56:00 -
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Daimon Kaiera wrote:Miles Harker wrote:I read this post last night and found out about these changes for the first time. I immediately adjusted my skill plan, used one of my remaps, plugged in my +4s and guess what?
I will complete all the training to include; BC 5, Destoyer 5 and all racial frigate and cruiser skills before the launch of Odyssey. Bear in mind I'm 3 days old.
So, perhaps if your first reaction was not to come to the forums and complain. And it was instead to investigate the feasibility of achieving the skills within the time frame, like I have, then I may have had a little more sympathy for you. How did you train the Cybernetics skills to plug in +4's in less than three days? Or afford them, for that matter.
No offence, but are you really that naive?
Cybernetics 4 is achievable in 3 days and 100M for a set of +4s isn't even a quarter the value of a PLEX. |
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