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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2058
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:03:00 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:All large rigs on capitals should be un-fitted on a patch day, that would be fair. Other than that - great change.
I see no reason to mess with the rigs on capitals... as long as the large rigs currently work...
Does this mean, if you have a capital now, it is in your best interest to rig it with less expensive large rigs now? YES.... Does this mean, after the patch, if you get a capital it will cost significantly more to rig it? YES!
But so what? You have warning! Everyone is on an equal footing now, everyone has adequate time to compensate, and everyone will be on equal footing after the patch. All this, "CCP is changing something, give me stuff for free" crowd needs to HTFU and simply accept that things in game change!!
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2058
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:04:00 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:And btw, is Orca a capital ship? Edit: obviously not, over-reacting here.
Yes it is! |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2058
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:06:00 -
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Quesa wrote:Unless this is a way to lower the cost of large rigs and not a way to increase the cost or component requirements for capital sized mods vs large, this is going to be a bad change.
I can't see a reason to increase the investment needed for a standard capital and we all know that cost has little to do with the proliferation issues this game is having.
Meh... Capital ships requiring a little more investment is a good thing, especially when the upcoming changes make cross training capitals very, very easy.
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
898
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:06:00 -
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XXSketchxx wrote:mynnna wrote: He's pointing out, probably incorrectly, that you won't be able to fit three T2 trimarks to a carrier. Large T2 trimarks are 75 calibration, though, and a carrier has 400. They'll be fine.
Also, seeing as best case for a Tech II large trimark right now is 18 interface circuits, 16 intact armor plates and 12 nanite compound. That makes it more like 80 IAP, 90 IC and 60 NC for a Tech II capital trimark, which in turn makes the cost more like 1.3b each. Add a 15% markup and hey, wouldn't you know it, the people saying 1.5b per were correct.
Are you sure?
Pretty sure!
http://i.imgur.com/8nTfAP7.png Mynnna for CSM 8 |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
240
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:06:00 -
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Chinicata Shihari wrote: Your maths is very poor. It will cost 1.5bil per Capital T2 trimark at mineral cost. That means 4.5bil for 3 before markup. Thats going to make the price on a armour super sky rocket. So if a fitted aeon costs 22bil now then a fitted aeon afterwards would cost at least 26bil.
TBH 22-26bn when your talking super caps - well you (in a general sense) probably can't afford one anyway if your quibbling over that amount of price difference - but its another story when your talking things like triage archons - they already struggle with the proliferation of neuting with just T1 rigs - pricing T2 CCC rigs out of the sensible range of the average archon pilot is going to put quite a damper on carrier use in PVP* which isn't a great idea in a wider sense for the game (unless carriers also get a bit of a capacitor buff with the coming capital rebalancing).
* completely ignoring slowcat fleets here as thats another story entirely. |
Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
6
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:07:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:But so what? You have warning! Everyone is on an equal footing now, everyone has adequate time to compensate... Am I on equal footing with PL supercap fleet? Oh, you're over-estimating me. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
899
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:08:00 -
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Rroff wrote:Chinicata Shihari wrote: Your maths is very poor. It will cost 1.5bil per Capital T2 trimark at mineral cost. That means 4.5bil for 3 before markup. Thats going to make the price on a armour super sky rocket. So if a fitted aeon costs 22bil now then a fitted aeon afterwards would cost at least 26bil.
TBH 22-26bn when your talking super caps - well you (in a general sense) probably can't afford one anyway if your quibbling over that amount of price difference - but its another story when your talking things like triage archons - they already struggle with the proliferation of neuting with just T1 rigs - pricing T2 CCC rigs out of the sensible range of the average archon pilot is going to put quite a damper on carrier use in PVP which isn't a great idea in a wider sense for the game (unless carriers also get a bit of a capacitor buff with the coming capital rebalancing).
I don't see a problem with putting a damper on how powerful carriers are right now. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
567
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:09:00 -
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make large rigs fitted to supercaps cause the supercaps to explode
death2supercaps |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
326
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:13:00 -
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mynnna wrote: I don't see a problem with putting a damper on how powerful carriers are right now.
i agree! |
Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
81
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:13:00 -
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Destoya wrote:[quote=Fango Mango]It will raise the price of all rigs since salvage (especially t2 armor plates and ward consoles) is a resource with a fairly limited supply. Since every new super capital, bling WH cap, or dreads with gun rigs will be using 5x the supply of T2 salvage this will bring the price up.
Probably won't have too much of an effect on the t1 market, at least in the long run, both because supply of materials is larger and the amount of capitals that get rigged everyday is nothing compared to how many battleships do the same.
You alliance must be smugging it right now. If T2 salvage triples in price due to this, as seems possible, this is potentially a 25 trillion isk boost to the value of your supercapital fleet.
Way to go CCPL. |
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Amantus
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
213
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:18:00 -
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Will you be addressing the supply of T2 salvage? |
Alexander the Great
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:19:00 -
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Another Odyssey change unfriendly only to newer pilots, those who don't have capitals yet.
Seriously, introducing capital rigs and leaving large rigs as they are, without any penalty on capital ships, just increases the barrier for players new to capitals.
Especially this is a problem for supercarriers, because existing ones almost aren't killed at all thanks to current game mechanics. |
XXSketchxx
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
283
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:21:00 -
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mynnna wrote:XXSketchxx wrote:mynnna wrote: He's pointing out, probably incorrectly, that you won't be able to fit three T2 trimarks to a carrier. Large T2 trimarks are 75 calibration, though, and a carrier has 400. They'll be fine.
Also, seeing as best case for a Tech II large trimark right now is 18 interface circuits, 16 intact armor plates and 12 nanite compound. That makes it more like 80 IAP, 90 IC and 60 NC for a Tech II capital trimark, which in turn makes the cost more like 1.3b each. Add a 15% markup and hey, wouldn't you know it, the people saying 1.5b per were correct.
Are you sure? Pretty sure! http://i.imgur.com/8nTfAP7.png
Look I know all you goonies do is scam. I'm not clicking that link so you can steal all my credit card info okay? |
Smoking Blunts
ZC Industries Dark Stripes
401
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:23:00 -
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Alexander the Great wrote:Another Odyssey change unfriendly only to newer pilots, those who don't have capitals yet.
Seriously, introducing capital rigs and leaving large rigs as they are, without any penalty on capital ships, just increases the barrier for players new to capitals.
Especially this is a problem for supercarriers, because existing ones almost aren't killed at all thanks to current game mechanics.
I have many interceptors and other cruiser hulls with large rigs on. a left over of sized rig changes, things change deal with it OMG when can i get a pic here
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Forlorn Wongraven
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
51
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:24:00 -
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T2 Large Trimarks are sold out in Jita, GF! Shadoo > whoever was the first nyx on grid Shadoo > THANK GOD YOU ARE A SMART MAN and fitted the best tank in PL Shadoo > (ie. cyno) |
fukier
925
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:25:00 -
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CCP Tallest wrote:mynnna wrote:What are the skill requirements for these rigs? Same skill requirements for fitting these as other rigs.
What if I install large rigs that dont currently work on capitals... Will they work after the patch? At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4667
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:27:00 -
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fukier wrote:CCP Tallest wrote:mynnna wrote:What are the skill requirements for these rigs? Same skill requirements for fitting these as other rigs. What if I install large rigs that dont currently work on capitals... Will they work after the patch? Why would you do that? Module activation timers are buggy. CCP please fix. |
Moondog Hansen
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:28:00 -
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My supercap is now worth an extra 4-5bil! :D |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:29:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:fukier wrote:CCP Tallest wrote:mynnna wrote:What are the skill requirements for these rigs? Same skill requirements for fitting these as other rigs. What if I install large rigs that dont currently work on capitals... Will they work after the patch? Why would you do that?
LOL it would be cheaper than buying them when they do work... 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1305
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:30:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:fukier wrote:CCP Tallest wrote:mynnna wrote:What are the skill requirements for these rigs? Same skill requirements for fitting these as other rigs. What if I install large rigs that dont currently work on capitals... Will they work after the patch? Why would you do that?
Because they'll be 5x cheaper than buying the capital rigs after the patch for the same benefit (assuming it works). Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. Twitter --á@DeVeldrin |
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Dilbert HighSeed
Pirannha Corp
0
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:31:00 -
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Mynas Atoch wrote:Destoya wrote:[quote=Fango Mango]It will raise the price of all rigs since salvage (especially t2 armor plates and ward consoles) is a resource with a fairly limited supply. Since every new super capital, bling WH cap, or dreads with gun rigs will be using 5x the supply of T2 salvage this will bring the price up.
Probably won't have too much of an effect on the t1 market, at least in the long run, both because supply of materials is larger and the amount of capitals that get rigged everyday is nothing compared to how many battleships do the same. You alliance must be smugging it right now. If T2 salvage triples in price due to this, as seems possible, this is potentially a 15 trillion isk boost to the value of your supercapital fleet. Way to go CCPL.
So, if 3 T2 rigs go for 4.5 BIllion, as your newest CSM mouthpiece says, and you are suggesting this is a boost of 15 trillion in value, 15,000/ 4.5 = approx 3300 supercaps. So, you are saying that PL has 3300 supercaps? Or are you just really dumb at math? |
Jita altSpyAdnqwioudf Anneto
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:32:00 -
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Odyssey doesn't have 2 Ds |
fukier
925
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:32:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:fukier wrote:CCP Tallest wrote:mynnna wrote:What are the skill requirements for these rigs? Same skill requirements for fitting these as other rigs. What if I install large rigs that dont currently work on capitals... Will they work after the patch? Why would you do that?
If I had a triage carrier right now.aux pumps dont work but they will after the patch...
So lets say day before patch I install tech ii large aux pumps cuss they are not overly expensive... Would they then work the day when the patch goes live?
Not saying I want to do it just saying if you wanted to to save isk would they work? At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2060
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:36:00 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:But so what? You have warning! Everyone is on an equal footing now, everyone has adequate time to compensate... Am I on equal footing with PL supercap fleet? Oh, you're over-estimating me.
Yes, you are, in terms of fitting your ship! You have equal access to modules, equal access to fitting options, and equal access to rigs.
Now, do you have equal access to the ship hulls themselves? Maybe, maybe not... but this change doesn't alter that in the slightest!
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Ripard Teg
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
593
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:36:00 -
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Hi Tallest,
Can you please clarify the T2 question? WILL there be T2 capital rigs? ie, will the invention cycle even work on these new BPOs?
Also, I assume you guys went into this understanding the impact this is going to have on the salvage and rig markets. Can you talk a bit about that? Because it sure seems like this change is going to severely hurt newer players and smaller alliances, enormously raising their risk when actually using capitals. It's also going to severely strain the already absurdly volatile T2 salvage market.
But maybe there are other factors in play that I'm not aware of? Jester's Trek: wherein I ramble about EVE Online, gaming, and from time to time... life. Vote Ripard Teg for CSM8! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7692
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:37:00 -
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my titan will still be in build :\ mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Forlorn Wongraven
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
51
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:38:00 -
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Andski wrote:my titan will still be in build :\
Goon nerf. Shadoo > whoever was the first nyx on grid Shadoo > THANK GOD YOU ARE A SMART MAN and fitted the best tank in PL Shadoo > (ie. cyno) |
Lex Arson
Adversity. Rote Kapelle
344
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:42:00 -
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Mynas Atoch wrote:This is a 7.5 Billion isk boost for anyone who already has a T2 rigged supercap. You should seriously consider making existing rigs which are too small for their ship class ineffective to create a level playing field.
Giving the thousands of existing supercapital pilots a 7.5 billion isk advantage over new pilots is too much.
stealth PL buff There's no use crying after every mistake, you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake. |
Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
6
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:45:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Yes, you are, in terms of fitting your ship! You have equal access to modules, equal access to fitting options, and equal access to rigs. Now, do you have equal access to the ship hulls themselves? Maybe, maybe not... but this change doesn't alter that in the slightest! The change assures existing monopoly on supercaps even futher. And this is bad. Rich becomes richer, poor becomes poorer. |
Mrs Winter
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
1
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:46:00 -
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Its not really. You cannot take the rigs off the ships. And its not like you can sell your rigged Super/Titan for profit.... |
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