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Alesha Bau
Nomad's Holding LTD
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:41:00 -
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So now that amarr battleships are being nerfed into oblivion, the apocalypse won't be cap stable anymore for level 4's.
My question is will the Navy Issue stay the same? So i could just upgrade to it and remain cap stable.
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami Moon Warriors
319
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:44:00 -
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I am actually quite anxious for the improvement to the Armageddon. I don't see any of it as a nerf. The Apoc, isn't really going to be less cap stable. Check the changes to the guns as well. Their cap demands are being lowered as well. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13743
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:46:00 -
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Cap stable is bad for you. Rather than looking for a ship to continue using this bad strategy, I'd suggest you learn to fly without it, because it'll do you no end of good. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Alesha Bau
Nomad's Holding LTD
2
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:49:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:I am actually quite anxious for the improvement to the Armageddon. I don't see any of it as a nerf. The Apoc, isn't really going to be less cap stable. Check the changes to the guns as well. Their cap demands are being lowered as well.
Yes, i agree with the geddon, it could be something really, really deadly, although i am very fond of the current geddon, it's an awesome ship.
I've been following the large energy turret discussion, and it isn't enough imo, you will still eat cap, and for what limited damage types, only em/therm as i live in angel space it takes me a long time to kill rats, the fact that the apoc was cap-stable was the only thing it had going for it, put a reactive hardner on and i could tank all missions very easily.
Anyway i guess i'll be forced to cross-train, still these changes really pissed me off being an amarr only pilot. |
Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1340
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:49:00 -
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"Hello Im Blue,"
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Alesha Bau
Nomad's Holding LTD
2
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Cap stable is bad for you. Rather than looking for a ship to continue using this bad strategy, I'd suggest you learn to fly without it, because it'll do you no end of good. Yes but as i live in angel space, i need to be cap stable, i cannot cut the rats down quick enough to reduce DPS incoming, em/therm takes me a long time to kill angels. |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
2197
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:52:00 -
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Alesha Bau wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:I am actually quite anxious for the improvement to the Armageddon. I don't see any of it as a nerf. The Apoc, isn't really going to be less cap stable. Check the changes to the guns as well. Their cap demands are being lowered as well. Yes, i agree with the geddon, it could be something really, really deadly, although i am very fond of the current geddon, it's an awesome ship. I've been following the large energy turret discussion, and it isn't enough imo, you will still eat cap, and for what limited damage types, only em/therm as i live in angel space it takes me a long time to kill rats, the fact that the apoc was cap-stable was the only thing it had going for it, put a reactive hardner on and i could tank all missions very easily. Anyway i guess i'll be forced to cross-train, still these changes really pissed me off being an amarr only pilot. Personally, I don't think I'd blame "these changes" if I had shoehorned myself into one race of BS which I also perceived to have the lowest selection of damage types applicable to where I lived.
I'd sure run right out to the forums and tell everyone about it, too!
But since you did, the new Armageddon will allow you to select your own damage type.
Selah. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Marcus Junius
Nephilim Ordo
0
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:52:00 -
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Alesha Bau wrote:Tippia wrote:Cap stable is bad for you. Rather than looking for a ship to continue using this bad strategy, I'd suggest you learn to fly without it, because it'll do you no end of good. Yes but as i live in angel space, i need to be cap stable, i cannot cut the rats down quick enough to reduce DPS incoming, em/therm takes me a long time to kill angels.
Flying in Angle space means you need to use a different ship for those rats, otherwise you are practically banging you head against a wall.
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Alesha Bau
Nomad's Holding LTD
2
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:55:00 -
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Yeah, anyway i understand, this is just my opinion. Guess i'll just cross train. |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
2197
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:57:00 -
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Alesha Bau wrote:Yeah, anyway i understand, this is just my opinion. Guess i'll just cross train.
Darth Gustav wrote:But since you did, the new Armageddon will allow you to select your own damage type.
Why are you cross-training again? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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vyshnegradsky
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
80
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:58:00 -
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Alesha Bau wrote:Tippia wrote:Cap stable is bad for you. Rather than looking for a ship to continue using this bad strategy, I'd suggest you learn to fly without it, because it'll do you no end of good. Yes but as i live in angel space, i need to be cap stable, i cannot cut the rats down quick enough to reduce DPS incoming, em/therm takes me a long time to kill angels.
So you are in the worst possible space for amarr ships yet insist on using them? Why didn't you cross train earlier to avoid ALL the problems you are having?
Cap stability is just not neccesary. Where do people get the idea that it is a requirement to shoot things? Just pulse your repper and/or use capboosters. Problem solved.
The apoc just got even better at taking out long range gangs. EvE is a PvP game, and so the ships should be balanced around shooting other players, not red crosses. That is what's happened in this case and it is magical. This one's a bit over the edge guys.
Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.
- CCP Falcon |
Alesha Bau
Nomad's Holding LTD
2
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:00:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Alesha Bau wrote:Yeah, anyway i understand, this is just my opinion. Guess i'll just cross train. Darth Gustav wrote:But since you did, the new Armageddon will allow you to select your own damage type. Why are you cross-training again?
Won't the drone updates make mission running in a drone boat more tedious, pulling them in and out constantly?
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
3252
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:01:00 -
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Alesha Bau wrote: Yes but as i live in angel space, i need to be cap stable, i cannot cut the rats down quick enough to reduce DPS incoming, em/therm takes me a long time to kill angels.
Then fly something else, or move to an area where the rats are weak to EM/Therm. If you fly Amarr, then you can pretty quickly skill into a Megathron or a Hyperion. Both of those boats have no problems against Angels and will use the same armor tanking skills and turret support and drone skills. Ive known people who even rat in Nagas and have no problems.
Cap stability is the crutch on which mission runners seem to think they need to prop themselves up. As all the mission boats I own are NOT cap stable, I find its actually pretty easy to manage cap and mission effectively...but then again..i dont AFK my missions....which im starting to think you might. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Alesha Bau
Nomad's Holding LTD
2
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:03:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Alesha Bau wrote: Yes but as i live in angel space, i need to be cap stable, i cannot cut the rats down quick enough to reduce DPS incoming, em/therm takes me a long time to kill angels.
Then fly something else, or move to an area where the rats are weak to EM/Therm. If you fly Amarr, then you can pretty quickly skill into a Megathron or a Hyperion. Both of those boats have no problems against Angels and will use the same armor tanking skills and turret support and drone skills. Ive known people who even rat in Nagas and have no problems. Cap stability is the crutch on which mission runners seem to think they need to prop themselves up. As all the mission boats I own are NOT cap stable, I find its actually pretty easy to manage cap and mission effectively...but then again..i dont AFK my missions....which im starting to think you might.
Yeah i kinda do, due to it taking me a long time, i do have good gunnery skills, i could probably get into a hyperion, just have not heard much about them doing missions, just triple rep beasts in pvp. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami Moon Warriors
319
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:19:00 -
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Just about any ship can be used for anything. In fact, you don't have to use a battleship to solo L4s.
Battlecruisers work very well also. Especially after they have been rebalanced.
For amarr, I've used a shield harbinger to great success in anom running, as well as an over tanked prophecy and my drones have no issues (I don't think my hammerhead2s ever really get attacked that often truth be told).
Just saying, there are options. Even if you want to stay in the Amarr racial line up. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
658
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:29:00 -
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wtf is "cap-stable?" |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2428
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:33:00 -
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Ifly Uwalk wrote:wtf is "cap-stable?" Something people think will make l4s faster and less tedious. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4667
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:40:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Cap stable is bad for you. Rather than looking for a ship to continue using this bad strategy, I'd suggest you learn to fly without it, because it'll do you no end of good. Or just not fly a ship that's so terrible that it can't fire its own guns for more than 6 minutes without running out of cap entirely. Module activation timers are buggy. CCP please fix. |
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
66
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:44:00 -
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Ifly Uwalk wrote:wtf is "cap-stable?" It's when you stop a dreadnaught before Sieging and no one bumps it for the duration. |
Gulboy
Uncharted Frontiers Severasse Militarized Mining Union
10
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:55:00 -
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I'm maining amarr, and NONE of my ships that I used on my missions were cap stable, ever. Learn to use capacitor efficiently. If you cannot, there are some other ways: 1. Learn to use cap efficiently; it just takes more tries if you cannot. 2. Get genolution set or any other implant that gives you either more cap or more cap regen. 3. Pimp your ship so it either uses less cap or uses it more efficiently. 4. Put a cap booster instead of a cap recharger. Sure, you spend money, but you don't spend alot if you don't use navy charges. |
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Alesha Bau
Nomad's Holding LTD
2
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Posted - 2013.04.23 18:16:00 -
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Okay, thanks for the opinions, appreciate it. Perhaps i was a bit negative about these changes, i do have options i guess, forgive my ignorance.
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami Moon Warriors
319
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Posted - 2013.04.23 18:18:00 -
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As a side to my comment about BCs, last night I did a forlorn hub in null and even though my Prophecy says it has 2m 26s of cap, it never went below 45% (had to keep repper on for a bit with a new wave) tanking 7 BS rats and about 5 cruiser rats.
I'm almost willing to bet that anom was tougher than a L4.
I wouldn't panic over a red number on your ship fitting tool. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
fukier
927
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Posted - 2013.04.23 18:20:00 -
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Alesha Bau wrote:So now that amarr battleships are being nerfed into oblivion, the apocalypse won't be cap stable anymore for level 4's.
My question is will the Navy Issue stay the same? So i could just upgrade to it and remain cap stable.
tbh i cant wait for pve to be more like pvp.. then i wont have to cringe everytime someone says cap stable setup...
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3267
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Posted - 2013.04.23 19:22:00 -
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If that was me ...
... i'd be stubborn as hell and not change the ship ... ... and simply fit 1400s. ^_^
The proper response to almost every question, especially the unasked ones. ^_^ |
Akuyaku
Brave Newbies Inc.
28
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Posted - 2013.04.23 19:49:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:J
Battlecruisers work very well also. Especially after they have been rebalanced.
"Working" is not the same as "working well". A battlecruiser CAN run lvl 4s but it's better off with lvl 3s because it lacks the DPS to burn down the rats in lvl 4s fast enough to make it worth it. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1640
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Posted - 2013.04.23 20:13:00 -
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Alesha Bau wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:I am actually quite anxious for the improvement to the Armageddon. I don't see any of it as a nerf. The Apoc, isn't really going to be less cap stable. Check the changes to the guns as well. Their cap demands are being lowered as well. Yes, i agree with the geddon, it could be something really, really deadly, although i am very fond of the current geddon, it's an awesome ship. I've been following the large energy turret discussion, and it isn't enough imo, you will still eat cap, and for what limited damage types, only em/therm as i live in angel space it takes me a long time to kill rats, the fact that the apoc was cap-stable was the only thing it had going for it, put a reactive hardner on and i could tank all missions very easily. Anyway i guess i'll be forced to cross-train, still these changes really pissed me off being an amarr only pilot.
If you are shooting at Angels with lasers, you should be more mad at yourself for not cross training sooner than at CCP for making Amarr BSs actually interesting. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1640
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Posted - 2013.04.23 20:16:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Alesha Bau wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:I am actually quite anxious for the improvement to the Armageddon. I don't see any of it as a nerf. The Apoc, isn't really going to be less cap stable. Check the changes to the guns as well. Their cap demands are being lowered as well. Yes, i agree with the geddon, it could be something really, really deadly, although i am very fond of the current geddon, it's an awesome ship. I've been following the large energy turret discussion, and it isn't enough imo, you will still eat cap, and for what limited damage types, only em/therm as i live in angel space it takes me a long time to kill rats, the fact that the apoc was cap-stable was the only thing it had going for it, put a reactive hardner on and i could tank all missions very easily. Anyway i guess i'll be forced to cross-train, still these changes really pissed me off being an amarr only pilot. Personally, I don't think I'd blame "these changes" if I had shoehorned myself into one race of BS which I also perceived to have the lowest selection of damage types applicable to where I lived. I'd sure run right out to the forums and tell everyone about it, though! But since you did, the new Armageddon will allow you to select your own damage type. Selah.
Also, damn Darh Gustav for posting my completely original and profound thought hours before I could think of it. |
Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
236
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Posted - 2013.04.23 20:17:00 -
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How to get over being none cap stable:
Step 1: cry like this - abloo bloo bloo bloo
Step 2: Remove thumb from ass
Step 3: Fit cap booster
Step 5: skip step 4
Step 6: profit I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4056
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Posted - 2013.04.23 20:19:00 -
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Cap stability is a luxury, not a necessity... and it's a luxury paid for with combat effectiveness. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
fukier
930
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Posted - 2013.04.23 20:28:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Cap stability is a luxury, not a necessity... and it's a luxury paid for with combat effectiveness.
well said plus 1 internets for you! At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box. |
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