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Pere Noir
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:39:00 -
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There is an article on themittani.com: http://themittani.com/news/alod-best-or-worst-burn-jita-2
In it, the author makes specific mention of this: "however, certain pilots were skilled enough to extricate themselves from the bumpers, kudos to you Red Frog)"
My question is how did they manage to escape the bumpers? Freighter pilots everywhere would like to know.
I chatted very briefly with a cagey (but nice) Locin Weeda. All he would say is that it doesn't take advantage of the "teleport" feature of a capped system and that there are no webbers involved. He did say they sometimes used safe logoff if they weren't aggressed.
Any ideas? |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:43:00 -
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were they regular freighters, or jump freighters? because i imagine jump freighters would have just jumped to a cyno (pretty sure i've seen undocking JFs jump from the jita to god knows where).
if they were regular freighters, then *shrug* haven't clue. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
425
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:09:00 -
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Red Frogs pilots were professional enough to actually pay the "hauling license" that our bumpers were offering to line their own pockets.
At a rate of killing 2 freighters an hour, it wasn't like we were short on potential targets. Serious freighter pilots just paid the fee and went on their way, while the "F U Goons" weekend haulers got ganked. |
Pere Noir
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:12:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Red Frogs pilots were professional enough to actually pay the "hauling license" that our bumpers were offering to line their own pockets.
At a rate of killing 2 freighters an hour, it wasn't like we were short on potential targets. Serious freighter pilots just paid the fee and went on their way, while the "F U Goons" weekend haulers got ganked. I'm absolutely certain they didn't pay you. If they had, they wouldn't have shown up in the article as eluding the bumpers.
Nice try though! |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:15:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Red Frogs pilots were professional enough to actually pay the "hauling license" that our bumpers were offering to line their own pockets.
At a rate of killing 2 freighters an hour, it wasn't like we were short on potential targets. Serious freighter pilots just paid the fee and went on their way, while the "F U Goons" weekend haulers got ganked.
Actually if they came in this system while it was full, all they had to do was make it to 4-4 and dock. Then log off, wait a minute, log back on, and let the game move them to an outlying system because Jita was full. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Dave Stark
2845
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:17:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Red Frogs pilots were professional enough to actually pay the "hauling license" that our bumpers were offering to line their own pockets.
At a rate of killing 2 freighters an hour, it wasn't like we were short on potential targets. Serious freighter pilots just paid the fee and went on their way, while the "F U Goons" weekend haulers got ganked. Actually if they came in this system while it was full, all they had to do was make it to 4-4 and dock. Then log off, wait a minute, log back on, and let the game move them to an outlying system because Jita was full.
although the op clearly states he was told that wasn't the case. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
420
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:19:00 -
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I loved the one Nomad who on seeing the blob decided to just go **** this Im outta here and cynoed out. And that blob got cut down fast. I feel sad for the obelisk who did ask for help on realizing his mistake but I was the only one with hull reppers and that typhoon pilot was good. (Scorpion was stupid, like you were really going to waste the ship on my osprey) |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:21:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:although the op clearly states he was told that wasn't the case.
I don't come to the forums to read! I come to post!
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Jiska Ensa
Unour Heavy Industries
145
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:23:00 -
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coughRapiercoughDuelingcough
Or could have been something else. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:24:00 -
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If the ganking only happened in Jita and not also at the exit gates in neighbouring systems, a god enough insta bookmark will allow a freighter to warp off despite bumping ships. It will initiate warp and lose collision before a bump registers. From the bookmark they can then warp to a gate and go their merry way. Mining Overhaul Nothing changed since 2008. |
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Pere Noir
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:26:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:If the ganking only happened in Jita and not also at the exit gates in neighbouring systems, a god enough insta bookmark will allow a freighter to warp off despite bumping ships. It will initiate warp and lose collision before a bump registers. From the bookmark they can then warp to a gate and go their merry way. From the general description given and the brief convo with Locin, they clearly were bumped. The enemy definitely made contact and the statement "if they weren't aggressed" seems to indicate some other set of circumstances than simply quick warps. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1439
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:30:00 -
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Pere Noir wrote:Abrazzar wrote:If the ganking only happened in Jita and not also at the exit gates in neighbouring systems, a god enough insta bookmark will allow a freighter to warp off despite bumping ships. It will initiate warp and lose collision before a bump registers. From the bookmark they can then warp to a gate and go their merry way. From the general description given and the brief convo with Locin, they clearly were bumped. The enemy definitely made contact and the statement "if they weren't aggressed" seems to indicate some other set of circumstances than simply quick warps. Well, that leaves one obvious option: They're full of ****. Mining Overhaul Nothing changed since 2008. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
425
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:31:00 -
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Pere Noir wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Red Frogs pilots were professional enough to actually pay the "hauling license" that our bumpers were offering to line their own pockets.
At a rate of killing 2 freighters an hour, it wasn't like we were short on potential targets. Serious freighter pilots just paid the fee and went on their way, while the "F U Goons" weekend haulers got ganked. I'm absolutely certain they didn't pay you. If they had, they wouldn't have shown up in the article as eluding the bumpers. Nice try though!
I didn't make anything off bumping, because I wasn't a bumper. But I was in fleet (check eve-kill, I was even on that Golem kill in the article) and I assure you, plenty of freighter pilots paid the bumpers to let up.
Again though, not a big deal because as soon as 1 freighter pilot paid up, another potential victim was warping in. And the lesson is, don't be a loud mouth punk, pay the bumper to go bump some one else. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:34:00 -
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Blog shill alt posting detected....
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7699
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:44:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Blog shill alt posting detected....
it isn't a blog
but please keep crying whenever somebody posts a link to TMC, it's amusing when pubbies wail about the smallest things mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Pere Noir
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:46:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Well, that leaves one obvious option: They're full of ****. Who?
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:I didn't make anything off bumping, because I wasn't a bumper. But I was in fleet (check eve-kill, I was even on that Golem kill in the article) and I assure you, plenty of freighter pilots paid the bumpers to let up.
Again though, not a big deal because as soon as 1 freighter pilot paid up, another potential victim was warping in. And the lesson is, don't be a loud mouth punk, pay the bumper to go bump some one else. Nice second try. SOMEONE paid you, but they weren't Red Frog. Perhaps you should discuss it with the article's author, I believe he's in your alliance. More to the point, even if some of them DID pay you, the question is about how the ones who were being bumped escaped.
Andski wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Blog shill alt posting detected.... it isn't a blog but please keep crying whenever somebody posts a link to TMC, it's amusing when pubbies wail about the smallest things Hey, someone who might be able to answer the question! Care to tell? |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1750
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:47:00 -
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I watched several freighters bumped into station alignment. Like it was a surprise when the freighters warped and docked.
I don't really get what was happening in these cases.
I especially enjoyed the bait freighters though. The Goons managed to get a lot of smartbomb kills of third-party bumpers, though I did also see this tactic backfire at least twice as it was used against them. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
146
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:48:00 -
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how long does it take for a freighter to go down in a gank? could logi rep the freighter to stop it dying before concord got there? |
Pere Noir
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:50:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:I watched several freighters bumped into station alignment. Like it was a surprise when the freighters warped and docked.
I don't really get what was happening in these cases.
I especially enjoyed the bait freighters though. The Goons managed to get a lot of smartbomb kills of third-party bumpers, though I did also see this tactic backfire at least twice as it was used against them. So it might have been counter bumping. It was one of my proposed solutions and, now that I think about it, the only one Locin evaded. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7699
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:56:00 -
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Pere Noir wrote:Hey, someone who might be able to answer the question! Care to tell?
Get a Nomad set and a webbing alt (preferably a Serpentis faction ship with an FN web) and you'll be out of there in moments, long before bumpers land.
The downside is that you won't be able to do a safe logoff because you'll be aggressed, but if you have a full web bonus (i.e. a Daredevil with Minmatar Frigate V) you take a lot less time to get into warp.
That said, I didn't take part in Burn Jita so I'm not entirely sure what these guys did to get away from bumpers. I know our guys used bump-fit Machariels, so I'd be surprised if it was counter-bumping. mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
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Pere Noir
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:58:00 -
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Andski wrote:Pere Noir wrote:Hey, someone who might be able to answer the question! Care to tell? Get a Nomad set and a webbing alt (preferably a Serpentis faction ship with an FN web) and you'll be out of there in moments, long before bumpers land. while that's true, Locin said no webbing. Though, and I don't think I mentioned his earlier, wanting to keep some details back to verify things, he does specify it takes two people
edit: damn this game! it is sucking me back in! |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
426
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:59:00 -
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Pere Noir wrote: Nice second try. SOMEONE paid you, but they weren't Red Frog. Perhaps you should discuss it with the article's author, I believe he's in your alliance. More to the point, even if some of them DID pay you, the question is about how the ones who were being bumped escaped.
Yes, because I was totally bumping freighters in my gank-fit no-prop-mod Tornado
Some got away because they paid the ransom. Some got away by dumb luck. Some got away because the bumpers screwed up. Some got away because we found better targets (pretty much all the Orcas, because we would find a more valuable freighter). Some got away by means that few will talk about because it might get ruled as an exploit.
And it wouldn't surprise me if Red Frog or any other pilots who got away by paying the ransom, then turned around and said they really got away because of their mad skillz. Seriously, who is going to brag about giving in to extortion when they can just as easily claim they ran away, and even did so without the aid of a webbing alt. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1750
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:59:00 -
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Pere Noir wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:I watched several freighters bumped into station alignment. Like it was a surprise when the freighters warped and docked.
I don't really get what was happening in these cases.
I especially enjoyed the bait freighters though. The Goons managed to get a lot of smartbomb kills of third-party bumpers, though I did also see this tactic backfire at least twice as it was used against them. So it might have been counter bumping. It was one of my proposed solutions and, now that I think about it, the only one Locin evaded. I hadn't considered counter-bumping. That actually would explain what I observed, along with the Goons retaliating with smartbomb runs on the do-gooders. |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
315
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Posted - 2013.04.25 22:01:00 -
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Andski wrote:Pere Noir wrote:Hey, someone who might be able to answer the question! Care to tell? Get a Nomad set and a webbing alt (preferably a Serpentis faction ship with an FN web) and you'll be out of there in moments, long before bumpers land. The downside is that you won't be able to do a safe logoff because you'll be aggressed, but if you have a full web bonus (i.e. a Daredevil with Minmatar Frigate V) you take a lot less time to get into warp. That said, I didn't take part in Burn Jita so I'm not entirely sure what these guys did to get away from bumpers.
Next year I shall spam Jita for my webbing services.
100 million and I'll enter a duel with you and web you. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1774
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Posted - 2013.04.25 22:03:00 -
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If you happen to be bumped toward a celestial you can then warp to it right away, just like a quick undock bookmark.
If you got a fleet mate in a fast ship he could get 150 km in front of you allowing you to warp to him.
One way I thought of that's quite hard to set up is to place dozens of bookmarks all over the system so no matter what direction you are bumped you are moving toward a BM and can quickly warp. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Pere Noir
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.25 22:03:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Pere Noir wrote: Nice second try. SOMEONE paid you, but they weren't Red Frog. Perhaps you should discuss it with the article's author, I believe he's in your alliance. More to the point, even if some of them DID pay you, the question is about how the ones who were being bumped escaped.
Yes, because I was totally bumping freighters in my gank-fit no-prop-mod Tornado Some got away because they paid the ransom. Some got away by dumb luck. Some got away because the bumpers screwed up. Some got away because we found better targets (pretty much all the Orcas, because we would find a more valuable freighter). Some got away by means that few will talk about because it might get ruled as an exploit. And it wouldn't surprise me if Red Frog or any other pilots who got away by paying the ransom, then turned around and said they really got away because of their mad skillz. Seriously, who is going to brag about giving in to extortion when they can just as easily claim they ran away, and even did so without the aid of a webbing alt. so you don't actually know. even though in previous paragraph you state definitively what happened. Third strike. You're out. If you'd like people to believe the propaganda you're trying to sell, please go visit Mittens for lessons in how its done. You're really not very good at it. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
426
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Posted - 2013.04.25 22:03:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Pere Noir wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:I watched several freighters bumped into station alignment. Like it was a surprise when the freighters warped and docked.
I don't really get what was happening in these cases.
I especially enjoyed the bait freighters though. The Goons managed to get a lot of smartbomb kills of third-party bumpers, though I did also see this tactic backfire at least twice as it was used against them. So it might have been counter bumping. It was one of my proposed solutions and, now that I think about it, the only one Locin evaded. I hadn't considered counter-bumping. That actually would explain what I observed, along with the Goons retaliating with smartbomb runs on the do-gooders.
The do-gooders were out in full force. Both screwing with bumpers and by taking out our DPS using kill rights. |
Skorpynekomimi
496
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Posted - 2013.04.25 22:04:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Andski wrote:Pere Noir wrote:Hey, someone who might be able to answer the question! Care to tell? Get a Nomad set and a webbing alt (preferably a Serpentis faction ship with an FN web) and you'll be out of there in moments, long before bumpers land. The downside is that you won't be able to do a safe logoff because you'll be aggressed, but if you have a full web bonus (i.e. a Daredevil with Minmatar Frigate V) you take a lot less time to get into warp. That said, I didn't take part in Burn Jita so I'm not entirely sure what these guys did to get away from bumpers. Next year I shall spam Jita for my webbing services. 100 million and I'll enter a duel with you and web you.
I can't help but wonder how many people will actually fall for such a blatant trap.
There's got to be some complete idiots out there. Even after the goons cleared the rabble out of jita and into my trade hub for the week. Thanks for that, by the way. Nice to see some different scammers for a change. **** |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
426
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Posted - 2013.04.25 22:06:00 -
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Pere Noir wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Pere Noir wrote: Nice second try. SOMEONE paid you, but they weren't Red Frog. Perhaps you should discuss it with the article's author, I believe he's in your alliance. More to the point, even if some of them DID pay you, the question is about how the ones who were being bumped escaped.
Yes, because I was totally bumping freighters in my gank-fit no-prop-mod Tornado Some got away because they paid the ransom. Some got away by dumb luck. Some got away because the bumpers screwed up. Some got away because we found better targets (pretty much all the Orcas, because we would find a more valuable freighter). Some got away by means that few will talk about because it might get ruled as an exploit. And it wouldn't surprise me if Red Frog or any other pilots who got away by paying the ransom, then turned around and said they really got away because of their mad skillz. Seriously, who is going to brag about giving in to extortion when they can just as easily claim they ran away, and even did so without the aid of a webbing alt. so you don't actually know. even though in previous paragraph you state definitively what happened. Third strike. You're out. If you'd like people to believe the propaganda you're trying to sell, please go visit Mittens for lessons in how its done. You're really not very good at it.
And your hearsay is so much better than my first hand account? I was there and have the killboards to back it up. You have nothing but rumors. |
Pere Noir
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.25 22:11:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:And your hearsay is so much better than my first hand account? I was there and have the killboards to back it up. You have nothing but rumors. I'm asking the question, not giving the answers, something you're purporting to be doing. If you've got some wallet logs or something, please share. Otherwise, your presence in Jita doesn't acually qualify you to answer, does it? Or perhaps the other 2000 people magically know the answer, you know, because They Were There. |
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