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Narcisa De Fontaine
Core Medical Group
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:59:00 -
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In recent months, we've heard time and time again from the Destiny Foundation about the "project" they like to call Elusenia. We hear an awful lot of sugar coated sound bites about this experiment's lofty goals and holy ideals.
Is it possible that all we're led to believe isn't actually the truth? I have reservations. Infact, my skin crawls every single time I hear the settlement mentioned.
What do we really know about the capital that is funnelled into Elusenia?
Inhonores would have us believe it's largely funded by his daughter's work in entertainment. If we're to accept this as the truth, we have to accept that Elusenia is a state built on the labour of a child. A child whose products invariably have a shelf life of a year or two at the most before the fickle popular music scene moves onto the next parentally coerced youngster.
More likely, if it's not already happening, is that this pseudo-nation will ultimately rely on subsidy from Inhonores' own activities as a capsuleer. The new not-a-king-honest of a patch of Federal territory, calling the shots because he can sink their economy at a whim.
What do we know about the conditions in Elusenia, when the only information I can remember seeing is supplied by Destiny Corporation itself?
All of Destiny Foundation's own releases and coverage of the settlement is covered with that same vernier of sunshine, smiling faces with healthy and chubby rosy cheeks. Quite comparable, in fact, to some of the more cynically condescending propaganda from Sansha's Nation.
The recent announcement that Inhonores' 'Prime Minister' intends to launch some sort of shared industrial zone in the settlement, in itself isn't huge cause for concern. However, when coupled with the news that this will coincide with a military build up in the same city, questions are raised.
What is the rationale behind a concentration of security forces in a region the regime has reserved as the space for its interaction with the outside world? Are they afraid of dissent from within? From without? Or both?
This becomes increasingly ominous when followed by the Destiny Foundation's rapid assertion that citizenship belongs solely to their employees, and that any rights afforded to those outsiders stationed in this industrial zone are entirely at the discretion of those in charge.
In addition to these concerns it is extremely difficult; based on statements made by Inhonores and his entourage; to discern whether this self styled nation state has any standing in Federal law whatsoever.
Lets think for a moment on the surrounding cities and authorities.
By what right does the Destiny Foundation usurp regional government, on the basis of a poll of their recently relocated employees?
We know that only employees of the Destiny Foundation were eligible to vote in the election. We also understand that only select employees of the same corporation were eligible to stand in the election.
The fact that the Destiny corporation holds the land should not entitle Inhonores to stage an elaborate charade in which he seeks to absolve himself and his corporation of adherence to the law.
In Closing
These factors, come together, mean little as there is no evidence to prove what is happening at Destiny Foundation is wrong. Only suspicion of the potential for abuses of people, of law, and of the Federation itself.
I feel that these risks are something we cannot trust Seriphyn Inhonores and his herd of yes men to police properly when left to their own devices, as the very people they would have to police are themselves. If the authorities are willing, the settlement should be properly and independently investigated to ensure the well being of all involved.
If you agree that this project requires a thorough investigation by the Federal authorities, please post below to add your support.
Thank you. |
BloodBird
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2013.04.25 22:17:00 -
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Your concern - as well as your apparent inherent hostility towards Inhonores' person and activities - are noted.
If you believe any of the universal laws upheld by the Federated Union regarding the activities and means of any of their countless thousands member-nations are not enforced properly and that any of these are acting outside of the agreed upon terms for Federation membership, feel free to send your complaints and requests directly to the Federation's administrative divisions. I understand they receive some few hundred such complaints on a, oh, likely daily basis from politically opposing nation-states that disagree with their handling of their own affairs and internal laws.
You are nevertheless more likely to get lawful investigative action against Inhonores and this nation-state in question through the proper channels, as opposed to making loud requests in front of a usually apathetic Capsuleer public and the massive cluster-wide host of private individuals who observe the Intergalactic summit.
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Augustus Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
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Posted - 2013.04.25 23:27:00 -
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Signorina de Fontaine,
I'd first like to thank you for outlining your concerns. Public transparency and accountability are important virtues to be held up in any healthy democracy. As such, I will reply to your points in this public venue. If I may, I feel the majority of your assertions are based on circumstantial evidence at best, but I will nonetheless clarify areas which you have personally identified as ambigious.
You are correct in that, in addition to Anette Inhonores's income, the Destiny Foundation also partly relies on ISK generated by our capsuleer employees. Currently, we have one capsuleer in our employ; Director of Operations Seriphyn Inhonores. This ISK is paid to us via the Neocom Wallet taxation system through Seriphyn Inhonores by various interstellar organizations in reward for security work undertaken on their behalf. A recent example of this work took place in January this year alongside Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security in the Nourvakaiken system.
Despite Seriphyn Inhonores's esteemed status as an independent capsuleer, however, you overlook the detail that Director Inhonores is subordinate to myself as Chief Executive Officer. You may also be aware that Director Inhonores joined the Destiny Foundation some months after its original founding. Should he desire to seek employment elsewhere, the Foundation will continue as it always has done. Further, the mechanics of the corporate republic model means that absolute authority is held by myself and Anette Inhonores, as joint chairs of the Destiny Foundation. The sole power to dissolve the Republic of Elusenia is shared between us. In practice, political authority within Elusenia has been entirely devolved to local democratic bodies. Director Inhonores is a non-factor when discussing this particular point.
Briefly, regarding the construction of EDF Cevestis in the same canton as the city of New Kaili. This is not a "military build-up", as you have put it, but simply the routine establishment of security forces necessary for the well-being of any planetary settlement. There is not much more to add beyond that.
Finally, the Serenissima Respublico of Elusenia is currently recognized by the Federal Administration as private property owned by a registered corporation in legal standing. The land that comprises Elusenia was previously under the administration of the Eustron District Government as an unorganized territory, before the Destiny Foundation's purchase. We do not anticipate the Federation Government recognizing our sovereignty as a full planetary nation-state until after the event we sign the Federal Charter, of which we have no intention to. Similarly, we have no intention of convincing the Federation Government of our status, as it functionally makes little to no difference at the interstellar level. I am sure you are aware of the Federation Constitution's guarantee on the right for its citizens to establish independent settlements on private land.
You may also be aware that the vast majority of Elusenian citizens are by extension citizens of the Gallente Federation, either directly, or indirectly via birth in a Charter signatory state. In addition to this, Destiny Foundation is a corporation registered to the Federal Administration. With both these factors taken into account, both the Destiny Foundation and the Serenissima Respublico of Elusenia, in the interests of both its citizens and diplomatic standing, will not endeavour to violate the laws of the Federation, or any other legitimate interstellar authority for that matter.
I hope I have been able to ease your concerns regarding the nature of Elusenia. I encourage further reading on the political structure of the Gallente Federation and her sovereign star systems. If you have any further questions or comments, please do not hesistate to get in touch.
Augustus Inhonores Chief Executive Officer and Co-Chair Destiny Foundation |
Narcisa De Fontaine
Core Medical Group
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Posted - 2013.04.26 16:15:00 -
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Quote: ...your apparent inherent hostility towards Inhonores' person and activities...
Yes, I've met him.
Quote:I hope I have been able to ease your concerns regarding the nature of Elusenia.
Destiny corporation cannot ease my concerns as to what is happening in this theme park nation state you're putting together. This is why I believe there should be an independent investigation.
To make that clear - short of the Black Eagles or a similar group kicking your front door in and turning over all of the furniture (you know, to make sure that Inhonores isn't forming the children into neat ranks and files in stadiums to sing 'Where are you, dear General?') we're going to disagree.
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Augustus Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
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Posted - 2013.04.26 16:55:00 -
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Signorina de Fontaine,
I may have misunderstood your original intent. Do your concerns over Elusenia stem from the potential for violations of Federal or CONCORD law, or are they instead rooted on the personal character of Director Seriphyn Inhonores?
In the case of the latter, then I regretfully cannot add anything further to this discussion. Any soundly-governed organization, be it corporation or country, cannot commit to actions based on personal feelings between individuals.
Augustus Inhonores Chief Executive Officer and Co-Chair Destiny Foundation |
Laria Raven
Utopian Research I.E.L.
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Posted - 2013.04.30 16:30:00 -
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You must realise that this request comes out of a very genuine concern.
I think we're all too familiar with the risks of creating, however inadvertently, isolated "Utopias". It's just a few short steps from "budding Utopia" to "Totalitarian Regime using mutated technology and covering your diminishing population levels by over-dramatic kidnapping".
None of us could cope with seeing M. Inhonores become the next Sansha Kuvakei, could we? -- Fallen from grace. And as night comes, may flights of Angels visit your sleep... shoot your ships and steal all of your stuff. |
Uriel Khaden
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.30 16:35:00 -
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Herein lies the truth of every utopia:
It remains a utopia only for as long as its population never exceeds one. |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
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Posted - 2013.04.30 16:53:00 -
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It is a very pretty place! |
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
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Posted - 2013.04.30 18:43:00 -
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Renowned War Hero Former Luminaire General Seriphyn Inhonores was the Model of an Officer and Gentleman when I met him at a Social Function. |
Tamiroth
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2013.04.30 20:53:00 -
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I do not understand. Why so much mindless hate? It's just another capsuleer vanity project. I never saw a thread demanding an investigation of Kaztropolis, for example, or any other private colony, on this forum. Regrettably so. Some things down there, especially in lowsec and null, are more than atrocious and deserve not just an investigation, but a full-scale military purge. Instead, the capsuleers choose to pick on a Gallente teenage pop star and her father's fantasy kingdom.
Why don't you do something against the real Sansha's Nation's influence in low security zones, for starters?
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Narcisa De Fontaine
Core Medical Group
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Posted - 2013.04.30 22:16:00 -
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Quote: It's just another capsuleer vanity project.
No, it isn't. It's a capsuleer vanity project, but one that's masquerading that it has tacit approval of Federal authorities without any tangible proof of that being the case. I disagree with what he's doing.
Quote:I never saw a thread demanding an investigation of Kaztropolis, for example, or any other private colony, on this forum.
Good for you. Now you have seen a thread demanding an investigation of a colony on this forum. As for the why, well, perhaps the people with Kaztropol in their backyard are satisfied with it. Perhaps they're apathetic. How about you find some and ask them? I personally don't have an opinion on Kaztropol and there's really no reason I feel I should. That's why I didn't post a thread about it.
As it stands now, I accept that I will not find anyone to agree that this requires investigation because people are as indifferent to my view as they are to Elusenia in the first place. I've discovered that the vast majority of capsuleers are as utterly indifferent to the things that Inhonores says.
This was my position for months as well.
What changed for me was that, in the particular circles of the Federal community to which both myself and Inhonores belong, he's ever more vocal about Elusenia. To the extent that he point blank refuses to accept that there are people that might not be interested in the project.
I formed an opinion of Elusenia after being repeatedly bothered and pestered to do just that. Form an opinion. This is based on what I know of Inhonores character, and the rather shocking potential for abuses of authority for people in his position. I do not want this for any part of the Federation.
To argue that there's worse things out there than Inhonores fairy kingdom (to which I totally agree, by the way) is utterly beside the point. That's not what this thread is for. I'm sure you could make a thread about Sansha's Nation if you hold a particular opinion on them, or Kaztropol if you feel strongly enough.
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
483
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Posted - 2013.04.30 22:26:00 -
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Repeatedly bothered?
I knew the project annoyed you. Thus, I made a point to bring it up whenever I could in shared FTL channels, because I got a kick out of seeing your exasperations.
Looks like I was successful. |
Sofia Roseburn
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2013.04.30 22:29:00 -
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Not sure that's the right approach to be taking when you're on the board of directors for a place you're trying to get people to invest in, but sure, why not! If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |
Narcisa De Fontaine
Core Medical Group
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Posted - 2013.04.30 22:35:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Oh, you don't like it? Well, umm, actually I was just pretending to be insufferable and lecherous.
Cute.
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
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Posted - 2013.04.30 22:46:00 -
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Narcisa De Fontaine wrote:Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Oh, you don't like it? Well, umm, actually I was just pretending to be insufferable and lecherous. Cute.
No, I'm pretty sure it was the other thing. Those who know me personally could attest to it.
On a more serious note, the right to corporate settlement in accordance with democratic principle is guaranteed by the Federation. It is important that you properly review how the worlds of the Federation have been settled and its borders expanded, before you accuse Elusenia of being some sort of tyrannical vanity project. |
BloodBird
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2013.04.30 22:47:00 -
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Narcisa De Fontaine wrote:Quote: It's just another capsuleer vanity project. No, it isn't. It's a capsuleer vanity project, but one that's masquerading that it has tacit approval of Federal authorities without any tangible proof of that being the case. I disagree with what he's doing.
I'm sure Federal authorities are happy to know they can count on you to tell all of us what they approve of or not, especially when you have such charming, biased interest in seeing Seriphyn fail because of who he is. He has made his position and the position of the organization he is part of quite clear. All you have are allegations and baseless assumptions pulled from out of your rectum because you dislike one of the involved parties.
This whole display of yours would likely be hilarious if it wasn't so very sad. Kindly grow up, Federal authorities will not go about doing your bidding based on a childish grudge. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1475
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Posted - 2013.04.30 23:01:00 -
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As long as it keeps his nose out of Caldari affairs, I am happy to see him busy with that little colony. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |
Narcisa De Fontaine
Core Medical Group
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Posted - 2013.04.30 23:01:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote: in accordance with democratic principle
Which is exactly why I'd prefer there was an investigation. I don't feel that it is in accordance with democratic principle just because you say it is.
BloodBird wrote: All you have are allegations and baseless assumptions
I have concerns based on the potential for abuses of authority. Part of this is based on my impressions of Inhonores' character, yes, as well as the proposed hierarchy. I believe both of these factors to have a great deal of bearing on his integrity as a monarch. Which is what he could easily be to those people.
He has made nothing clear. He's volunteered a version of events that haven't been examined any further. It is sad, but I expect they will not be.
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Lyn Farel
Kitzless
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Posted - 2013.04.30 23:16:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Narcisa De Fontaine wrote:Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Oh, you don't like it? Well, umm, actually I was just pretending to be insufferable and lecherous. Cute. No, I'm pretty sure it was the other thing. Those who know me personally could attest to it. On a more serious note, the right to corporate settlement in accordance with democratic principle is guaranteed by the Federation. It is important that you properly review how the worlds of the Federation have been settled and its borders expanded, before you accuse Elusenia of being some sort of tyrannical vanity project.
Yes, however, if Elusenia is not a signatory of the charter, then it is not part of the Federation. The fact that Elusenia may be located on a federal world put aside, it also makes it not part of the Yulai Convention.
In short, how Elusenia does intend to defend itself if the case presents itself ? Counting on the federal people living in the same system ?
I would be genuinely curious to know. |
Augustus Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
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Posted - 2013.04.30 23:35:00 -
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Signorina de Fontaine,
I recommend that you read the sortition announcement by Prime Minister Stelechos if you wish to educate yourself regarding the democratic process in Elusenia.
If this does not satisfy you, then I am afraid there is not much more that can be said. Our delivery of information to capsuleers is restricted to the IGS.
Signorina Farel,
Elusenia is not a signatory of the Charter, but it is administered by a humanitarian organization owned by Federal citizens. Moreover, the majority of Elusenian citizens are also Federal citizens. Therefore, we de facto must abide by Federation law.
If the Federation Government desires to send officials to investigate Elusenia, it will need either our express permission, a remit from the Eustron District Court, or a remit from the Federation Supreme Court. The Federal Administration has an embassy in the capital city of Caerleon. One of its primary functions is to serve as a voting station for Federal referenda.
Augustus Inhonores Chief Executive Officer and Co-Chair Destiny Foundation |
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