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cynthia greythorne
Twilight Labs Unsung Voices
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Posted - 2013.04.26 13:54:00 -
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Prey: A typically fit solo PvP Hurricane.
I was wondering what ships have been successfully used to engage such Hurricanes. Nothing terribly expensive, just something basic.
Thank you! |
Alec Enderas
nul-li-fy Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2013.04.26 14:05:00 -
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Prophecy with at least one tracking disruptor and a brutix/talos with some tank should both be able to melt a cane b4 you hit structure. I am not old, just bitter. |
feihcsiM
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
217
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Posted - 2013.04.26 14:23:00 -
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Triple rep Myrmidon if you're wanting a BC. Takes a while if the cane is armour fit but doable. Failing that just pick a battleship, most well fitted BSs will kill a BC pretty quickly once they have hard tackle. It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2013.04.26 14:34:00 -
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cynthia greythorne wrote:Prey: A typically fit solo PvP Hurricane. I was wondering what ships have been successfully used to engage such Hurricanes. Nothing terribly expensive, just something basic. Thank you!
I dimly recall engaging a Hurricane with an Enyo; I may have had backup, but I don't recall. If it gets close, the Enyo can probably outrun the tracking of a Hurricane's guns, and it can throw a staggering amount of damage. Variants will use either buffer tanks or armor reppers to sustain themselves in an engagement; an extended-sortie fit I like to use fits a rep and a small Nosferatu with ion blasters, but that can be replaced with a rocket launcher for even more damage, if you're willing to fit a cap booster. "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
Jon Joringer
Zero-K
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Posted - 2013.04.26 16:05:00 -
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I've had very good luck killing all manner of Hurricanes in my SFI. |
Hakaimono
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly
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Posted - 2013.04.26 16:18:00 -
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I second the Enyo. With high speed and resists at blaster range would do quite well. |
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.04.26 16:36:00 -
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A kiting harb beleve it or not Oderint Dum Metuant |
cynthia greythorne
Twilight Labs Unsung Voices
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Posted - 2013.04.26 16:56:00 -
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Thank you all! |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2013.04.26 18:46:00 -
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Lots of bad advice there. Depending on your opponent to plate their cane or approach and park next to you in order for you to win is r3tarded.
Slowboats don't work. There is no such thing as a "kiting harb." The best you can hope to achieve in a harby is get the cane to warp out. Same goes for Myrm, except it will more likely to run out of drones, then cap, then pop, where the harby has better chance of chasing off the cane and survive. Prophecy is similarly lol. Brutix is an utter joke. It's glass, won't ever reach the cane, and will pop. Talos works, if you can fly it well. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.04.26 22:13:00 -
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Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion even sabre906
I was looking for the fit I used and couldn't find it but this one is pretty close, I remember it had a med neut on it but I cant for the life of me remember how I squeezed it on there.
[Harbinger, Kiter] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Power Diagnostic System II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M [empty high slot]
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Warrior II x5 Valkyrie II x5
Now you can play around with a mod here and there but the core of it is pretty solid and it shouldn't have a problem taking down a cane just dont get to close. Oderint Dum Metuant |
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Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.04.26 23:04:00 -
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canes are terrible now tbh, mass addition in addition to loss of utility slot and nerfed pg means it can't dictate range as stupidly as it did before and it cant win an all out brawl with only 1 neut now as well.
Possibly one of the weakest BCs now in a straight up 1vs1 brawl now imo since it's a glass cannon. Only thing I think it could beat is a harby and that's now uncertain since it's been buffed to 9 effective turrets. |
Hakaimono
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly
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Posted - 2013.04.27 01:53:00 -
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Always wanted to see how a pulse Oracle with scorch would do. |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
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Posted - 2013.04.27 10:48:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:canes are terrible now tbh, mass addition in addition to loss of utility slot and nerfed pg means it can't dictate range as stupidly as it did before and it cant win an all out brawl with only 1 neut now as well.
Possibly one of the weakest BCs now in a straight up 1vs1 brawl now imo since it's a glass cannon. Only thing I think it could beat is a harby and that's now uncertain since it's been buffed to 9 effective turrets. Yeah this is true, Now there are hundreds of rabid Cain lovers waiting with drool falling from the side of their mouth for the new but somehow very familiar Faction Cain. They will be back with a boat that cost 4 times as much but doing the same old things in the newest way.
So in 30 days, We should see some of the old Cain dominance back. Or at least I hope so Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced (But I still try..) |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
778
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Posted - 2013.04.27 11:57:00 -
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Double td ham Caracal if you're pro enough. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Qweasdy
Vyper Engineering
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Posted - 2013.04.27 12:38:00 -
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Honestly if you want to kill a ship with neuts I would recommend a high dps myrm, that is a shield fit myrm with ACs and nothing but gyros and drone damage mods in the lows, with a simply incredible amount of DPS (900+ with some fits), a pretty respectable amount of ehp and no dependancy on cap outlasting any solo BC is almost effortless |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2013.04.27 14:16:00 -
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tbh, pretty much ANY other BC since the cane's been nerfed through the ground. they cant kite anymore, they cant neut, they cant tank properly, they cant gank...
it's a damn shame, I miss my cane being useful :( |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.04.27 16:04:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:tbh, pretty much ANY other BC since the cane's been nerfed through the ground. they cant kite anymore, they cant neut, they cant tank properly, they cant gank...
it's a damn shame, I miss my cane being useful :(
Just not true but alright. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.27 21:54:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:tbh, pretty much ANY other BC since the cane's been nerfed through the ground. they cant kite anymore, they cant neut, they cant tank properly, they cant gank...
it's a damn shame, I miss my cane being useful :( butthurt is strong in this one :) matar tears the best ones |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:17:00 -
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Naomi Knight wrote:Jack Miton wrote:tbh, pretty much ANY other BC since the cane's been nerfed through the ground. they cant kite anymore, they cant neut, they cant tank properly, they cant gank...
it's a damn shame, I miss my cane being useful :( butthurt is strong in this one :) matar tears the best ones thanks for your concern, but im a mostly gallente pilot actually, though i can fly all races.
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sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
1024
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Posted - 2013.04.28 00:35:00 -
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Aralieus wrote:Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion even sabre906 I was looking for the fit I used and couldn't find it but this one is pretty close, I remember it had a med neut on it but I cant for the life of me remember how I squeezed it on there. [Harbinger, Kiter] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Power Diagnostic System II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M [empty high slot] Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Warrior II x5 Valkyrie II x5 Now you can play around with a mod here and there but the core of it is pretty solid and it shouldn't have a problem taking down a cane just dont get to close.
"Cane killer" requested by OP needs 2 things: 1. Catch it 2. Kill it In that order.
Your slowboat Harby, which has no range control and use multi for some reason, can't fulfill #1. Or #2, for that matter.
Jack Miton wrote:Naomi Knight wrote:Jack Miton wrote:tbh, pretty much ANY other BC since the cane's been nerfed through the ground. they cant kite anymore, they cant neut, they cant tank properly, they cant gank...
it's a damn shame, I miss my cane being useful :( butthurt is strong in this one :) matar tears the best ones thanks for your concern, but im a mostly gallente pilot actually, though i can fly all races.
Gallante, ouch. I feel your butthurt bro.
You should fly yourself a nice drake. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
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God's Apples
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2013.04.28 04:02:00 -
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Sabre, your ignorance makes me want to shrivel up and hide in a corner.
A shield harb will kill a shield cane any day with scorch. A dual rep brutix is fast enough to catch a shield cane and has enough tank to brawl an armor one down. Same goes for the myrm and literally every other BC in the game. Any frig with a nos that is decent can kill a shield cane easily and a single web armor cane possibly.
Hell, many cruisers can do it. A kitey omen will win as with a caracal. In a straight up brawl a moa will beat a shield cane marginally. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
773
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Posted - 2013.04.28 04:14:00 -
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The main advantage Minmatar has is being unpredictable.
Unless you know how the cane is fitted, you're going to have be prepared for anything.
A speedy hybrid boat is good as thermal/kinetic is decent, though not optimal, against shields and armor. Over focusing on anti-shields or anti- armor will basically turn the fight into a 50/50 shot if you don't know what type of tank the cane is using. Talos should work pretty well though you will have to get the jump on the cane, if the fight goes for even a second longer than it should you'll be dead. The other Gallente BCs should work fine as well. Be sure to bring web drones. The one constant of minmatar ships is speed. If you can take that away your blasters should have no problem taking it down.
You could also attempt to snipe the Cane. The Ferox, Oracle, and Naga are very good at this. Even an arty cane won't be able to match you in range and if you are well positioned they won't be able to close in on you without dying. Problem with sniping is you won't be able to tackle the Cane so you might want to bring a friend to do that. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
1024
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Posted - 2013.04.28 04:15:00 -
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God's Apples wrote:Sabre, your ignorance makes me want to shrivel up and hide in a corner.
A shield harb will kill a shield cane any day with scorch. A dual rep brutix is fast enough to catch a shield cane and has enough tank to brawl an armor one down. Same goes for the myrm and literally every other BC in the game. Any frig with a nos that is decent can kill a shield cane easily and a single web armor cane possibly.
Hell, many cruisers can do it. A kitey omen will win as with a caracal. In a straight up brawl a moa will beat a shield cane marginally.
You're going overboard with that cane whine there. Boohoo.
That, and we can't count on the cane pilot always being you, so we can catch it with a harby. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
God's Apples
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2013.04.28 04:23:00 -
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Fred, have you actually ever flown a talos before?
No matter the fit a talos will kill it. Try fighting a talos with null in against a shield cane with barrage. The cane will be dead before the talos gets to half shields. There is no "fight lasting a second too long" or "getting a jump on him" it's simple math and game mechanics. Sniping is also an awful idea because it's sniping.
And to the OP:
If you have to ask what ship you need to kill a cane you probably won't be able to kill a cane with any ship. |
God's Apples
The Tuskers
62
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Posted - 2013.04.28 04:24:00 -
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Double post. |
To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2013.04.28 05:59:00 -
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every BC will kill a hurricane pretty easily with equal pilot skills the hard part its to tackle the thing, but now not so hard since CCP keep reducing the speed agility advantage of minmatar ships |
Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
618
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Posted - 2013.04.28 07:54:00 -
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Hurricane?
Just about anything these days. |
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:51:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:
"Cane killer" requested by OP needs 2 things: 1. Catch it 2. Kill it In that order.
Your slowboat Harby, which has no range control and use multi for some reason, can't fulfill #1. Or #2, for that matter.
I thought using Scorch was implied but to those who can't make that connection then yes, the fit I posted uses Scorch primarily. You can kill the cane by overloading at crucial points throughout the fight, usually in the beginning overload your point and pull max point range (28K) till it's half burned out to mitigate the canes damage so that your shield tank will last longer than his. When your point is half burned go to 20km and let scorch finish him off. But of course sabre906 knew all of this cause he is PVP GOD and he is just trollin, right?
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