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Super Miguel
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.26 15:59:00 -
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So i stared playing Eve 2 days ago, Comming from WoW, because in WoW and any other MMO i have played getting to highest level the faster the more you enjoy the game... IE. In wow start a new toon and level him as fast as you can to lvl 90... The more hours you put into the better/faster.
So stared playing EvE and i dont think it works that way.. But i still wanted to replicated it =) So i downloaded EVEMon, but im not sure which ship i want .... I guess im to new to know this (2 days in) so i looked around:
So it seems like the hurracaine and Loki are good ships for PvP... So i went to this site: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/47937-Loki-Solo-and-Small-gang-Dual-Web-Armor.html and downloaded the EVEMon plan, and it says i need 54 days to complete it.. Which very far...
Yesterday i finished all the missions from the starter guys (Military, Advance Military, Exploration, Business, etc) but not sure what to do next... i guess i can dock somewhere else and keep doing missions...
Money is not a problem since i got few plex and have about 2500M on me at the moment... So i dont need money (at least i think so)
But not sure what to do not to get bored, and wait those 50 days...
I mean i do missions to gain ISK (which i dont need), i can probably do many more missions but ill be bored in 2 days of pure mission doing annndddd i dont see the gain from doing all this missions since all they give is ISK which again i dont think i need at least not at the rate from this missions...
I think i have to switch my mind set to not worry about skills so much since i see that not far from now some skills will take weeks... and what? not do anything for those weeks?
So i kinda want to know what you guys do? I dont want to mine (boring), i guess ill do some missions but what should i do when i get bored of missions?
In WoW for example if you are a lvl 1 you cant do pvp with lvls 90 not sure if that the same case here...
Sorry the format sucks but just thinking out loud :) |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
56
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Posted - 2013.04.26 17:22:00 -
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Super Miguel wrote:So i stared playing Eve 2 days ago, Comming from WoW, because in WoW and any other MMO i have played getting to highest level the faster the more you enjoy the game... IE. In wow start a new toon and level him as fast as you can to lvl 90... The more hours you put into the better/faster. So stared playing EvE and i dont think it works that way.. But i still wanted to replicated it =) So i downloaded EVEMon, but im not sure which ship i want .... I guess im to new to know this (2 days in) so i looked around: So it seems like the hurracaine and Loki are good ships for PvP... So i went to this site: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/47937-Loki-Solo-and-Small-gang-Dual-Web-Armor.html and downloaded the EVEMon plan, and it says i need 54 days to complete it.. Which very far... Yesterday i finished all the missions from the starter guys (Military, Advance Military, Exploration, Business, etc) but not sure what to do next... i guess i can dock somewhere else and keep doing missions... Money is not a problem since i got few plex and have about 2500M on me at the moment... So i dont need money (at least i think so) But not sure what to do not to get bored, and wait those 50 days... I mean i do missions to gain ISK (which i dont need), i can probably do many more missions but ill be bored in 2 days of pure mission doing annndddd i dont see the gain from doing all this missions since all they give is ISK which again i dont think i need at least not at the rate from this missions... I think i have to switch my mind set to not worry about skills so much since i see that not far from now some skills will take weeks... and what? not do anything for those weeks? So i kinda want to know what you guys do? I dont want to mine (boring), i guess ill do some missions but what should i do when i get bored of missions? In WoW for example if you are a lvl 1 you cant do pvp with lvls 90 not sure if that the same case here... Sorry the format sucks but just thinking out loud :) It's not my particular arena, but PvP is definitely viable as a noob. Check out RvB for a place to dive into some cheap ship warfare to get some experience and learn the basics of combat/PvP. Alternatively, find a corporation willing to train you... you can still be useful in real fleet ops as a light (read: suicide) tackler until you get some experience and skills.
The skill point wall is a fairly contentious issue, but suffice it to say if you're motivated, there's plenty for you to do while you work on getting your skill profile built up. |
Ioe Oria
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.26 17:45:00 -
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Keep in mind the Evemon skill plans from ship fits will only give the bare minimum skills you need to actually get the ship into space with the modules from the fit. That doesn't mean you'll actually be able to have those modules activated (CPU/Powergrid requirements), or that you'll be able to run them for more than 5 seconds (Capacitor skills), or that you can actually survive a fight with a beginner frigate (tank skills), or that you can actually perform the job (although in this case you would be able to use the barest minimum of a link).
TLDR: The Evemon skil plan says 54 days to fly, but you need at least 60-90 to actually fly it for bare minimum purpose.
Don't depend on that to drive your fun, get skills to help you have fun now that can also contribute to flying the Vulture in the future. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2013.04.26 18:34:00 -
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Super Miguel wrote:I think i have to switch my mind set to not worry about skills so much since i see that not far from now some skills will take weeks... and what? not do anything for those weeks?
So i kinda want to know what you guys do? I dont want to mine (boring), i guess ill do some missions but what should i do when i get bored of missions?
The most important skill in EVE is the ability to make friends.
If you have some isk to burn, get a couple of dozen pvp fit t1 frigates or destroyers and blow up stuff with your friends.
Do not forget, that some of your friends may decide to scam you one fine day. They blow up your ship, kill you afterwards, steal your stuff, grab your money and run with it.
The whole thing is called fun. Sometimes skills can help to have fun, but they are not a prerequisite. Remove insurance. |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:49:00 -
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Don't play eve like you play wow, it wont end well. |
Charlie Jacobson
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Posted - 2013.04.26 21:01:00 -
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Loki is an alright long term goal, but if you plan to rush into PvPing with it with minimal training and experience, you'll just end up losing it. EVE is not like WoW. There is no powerleveling or endgame. If you want to do PvP you can do it in the first week of playing, in frigates and destroyers. Like others have mentioned before me, it's important that you find someone to play with who can show you the ropes. |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
94
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Posted - 2013.04.26 21:44:00 -
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Super Miguel wrote: In WoW for example if you are a lvl 1 you cant do pvp with lvls 90 not sure if that the same case here...
a titan pilot can shoot at a guy in a nooship with 500k sp yes. However the titan might have a hard time hitting. |
Manny Moons
New Order Logistics CODE.
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Posted - 2013.04.26 21:57:00 -
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Super Miguel wrote:So i stared playing Eve 2 days ago...
Work on your Rifter skills (both skillbook skills and piloting skills) between now and next Saturday, and show up here. Die as many times as you possibly can. You'll get three months worth of experience in three hours. Then decide what you want to do next. |
Super Miguel
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.27 03:02:00 -
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Manny Moons wrote:Super Miguel wrote:So i stared playing Eve 2 days ago...
Work on your Rifter skills (both skillbook skills and piloting skills) between now and next Saturday, and show up at the Frigate Free For All (information here). Die as many times as you possibly can. You'll get three months worth of experience in three hours. Then decide what you want to do next. Here are some ideas for fitting a Rifter: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Rifter
That looks nice..!!!! i be there for sure... So when you say "Work on your Rifter skills (both skillbook skills and piloting skills) " which skills you taking about? |
Manny Moons
New Order Logistics CODE.
63
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Posted - 2013.04.27 12:05:00 -
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Super Miguel wrote:That looks nice..!!!! i be there for sure... So when you say "Work on your Rifter skills (both skillbook skills and piloting skills) " which skills you taking about?
This:
Recommended Certificates Core Competency Basic Armour Tanking Basic Frigate Projectile Turrets Basic
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Sounds about right. The frigates the Tuskers gave away at the last FFA were mostly Condors, Executioners, Incursus, and Slashers. In the limited time you have to prepare, I would not recommend trying to cross train the other races. The Slashers they provided were fit like this:
[Slasher, Tuskers FFA] Damage Control I Small Armor Repairer I
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I Tracking Disruptor I 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I Warp Scrambler I
200mm AutoCannon I, EMP S 200mm AutoCannon I, EMP S 200mm AutoCannon I, EMP S
Small Projectile Burst Aerator I Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
I have no idea if they will be using the same fit this time, but it's a fair guess. At a minimum you'll need Mechanics III, Jury Rigging III, and Projectile Weapon Rigging I for the rigs, Weapons Disruption I for the Tracking Disruptor, and Propulsion Jamming I for the web and scram.
Which skills are most important to level up right away? Well, each level of Minmatar Frigate gives bonuses to your guns, as does Small Projectile Turret, and Gunnery. The certificates will help you discover other useful skills.
Good luck and have fun. |
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Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.27 12:30:00 -
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The old "Rifterbro" thing is a little bit dated, since the frig tiericide. They are still great ships, but nowhere near as dominant as they used to be. Hell, I've found the Slasher to be superior to the Rifter since the overhaul in almost every single way, especially when fit with an MSE.
My advice for any newbro interested in PvP: you have two truly viable options.
One is to get involved with Faction Warfare. Running the lowest level complexes can net you some fair ISK for a newbie, and doesn't require awesome skills, as the lowest level plexes can only be accessed by T1 frigs...just keep that D-scan up and bail if you see a blob coming, or something you know will eat you alive, like a Daredevil. You will die a bit, but it's a good learning experience, and it's cheap.
Option two is to find a nullsec corp that is willing to take in newbros, teach them the way of the hero tackle, and involve them in both large fleets, and small gangs. This can be a bit more of a pain for the newbie than FW, because null corps are generally paranoid, don't want to risk recruiting trials or spies, and some recruitment ads for nullsec corps are actually scams intended to separate you from your assets.
Oh, that reminds me, most scams are perfectly inside of the rules in this game, in case you didn't know. Crying to a GM in WoW about getting scammed will get you your stuff back, and the scammer banned. Here, it will just get you laughed at for being gullible. |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
1714
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Posted - 2013.04.27 14:20:00 -
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hate to burst your bubble but those 55days odd you need to sit in a loki will make you in no way ready to fly one. you need solid year of support skill training to fly a T3 cruiser to a decent level.
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Hemp Invader
Jazz Associates Azgoths of Kria
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Posted - 2013.04.28 07:30:00 -
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The idea is to start slow and build momentum as you go in with your training. That means don't jump into big stuff like battleships or battlecruiser. Go with frigates, train support skills and you will be able to fly battlecruisers and bigger without much issues later |
Super Miguel
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.28 16:56:00 -
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so the idea is buy rifters aquip them like this: (http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Rifter) and go pvp ill probably die alot so just keep buying them and loosing them??? is there like a noob pvp area??? |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1764
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:59:00 -
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In EVE, skills are not so much enablers as improving stuff you like to do.
Train skills for things that help you now, not some time in the future.
Note that it takes 17% of the time to train a skill to level 4 and get 80% of the ability, than it does to train to level 5. |
Boe Harknes
Peoples Capitalist Liberation Front Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2013.04.29 12:35:00 -
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For what its worth as a new player my Corp told me to basicly set up your training plan through certificates. Pick your ship types, weapon type, tank type, and train the certs to standard. For me it will take 70+ days to do. In the meen time I am spending most of my time learning ship fittings and just some general combat awareness through PVE. Probably in about a month I will start fitting my ships for pvp becuase i should have to rely on cap boosters as much to keep stable cores. |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
100
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Posted - 2013.04.29 14:25:00 -
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Boe Harknes wrote:For what its worth as a new player my Corp told me to basicly set up your training plan through certificates. Pick your ship types, weapon type, tank type, and train the certs to standard. For me it will take 70+ days to do. In the meen time I am spending most of my time learning ship fittings and just some general combat awareness through PVE. Probably in about a month I will start fitting my ships for pvp becuase i should have to rely on cap boosters as much to keep stable cores.
you should slap whoever told you that. Most certificates in eve contain many worthless skills you've most likely wasted a lot of time if you've followed them.
Apart from core competency-standard I recommend NOT actively training for certificates.
The major problem is that the certificates are focused around PvE (from what I can see), let's take the Rupture for example:
Core competency basic Armour tanking basic Cruiser projectile turrets basic
In armour tanking basic there's repairs systems III. Nobody in their right mind would actively tank a Rupture in PvP. Not saying repairs systems isn't useful, but it's not for the ship it's attached to.
Now there's many more like that so that's why i don't trust certificates, they're just an extra thing to check once skills have done training
Ask more experienced corpmates how to train for a ship and don't accept "train x cert" as an acceptable answer unless it's core competency standard. |
Velicitia
Nex Exercitus
1435
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Posted - 2013.04.29 15:59:00 -
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Boe Harknes wrote:For what its worth as a new player my Corp told me to basicly set up your training plan through certificates. Pick your ship types, weapon type, tank type, and train the certs to standard. For me it will take 70+ days to do. In the meen time I am spending most of my time learning ship fittings and just some general combat awareness through PVE. Probably in about a month I will start fitting my ships for pvp becuase i should have to rely on cap boosters as much to keep stable cores.
This isn't the "best" way to go about skilling, because you can "get away" with not having the certs (or the certs aren't really focusing on what you want to do with the ship).
The certificates are at best a very general idea of what is good for that ship ... so definitely use them as a guideline, but before you go dropping ISK (and training time) on skills you might not want/need, READ WHAT IT DOES (or ask someone in your corp). That way you're making more of an informed decision about what you're actually training yourself to do.
Learning is a very important thing here ... and cap-stable PVP fits are bad (because you're only needing to survive a few minutes, tops). One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8 |
Haulie Berry
554
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Posted - 2013.04.29 16:32:00 -
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If you want to PvP, get in a frigate and go shoot people.
If you wait for a hurricane (or, god forbid, a Loki), you're just going to end up with some really funny (to everyone other than you) lossmails. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
979
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Posted - 2013.04.30 08:50:00 -
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Super Miguel wrote:so the idea is buy rifters aquip them like this: (http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Rifter) and go pvp ill probably die alot so just keep buying them and loosing them??? is there like a noob pvp area??? the point is not losing the ships but learning from your losses. the sooner you start not losing them (i.e. winning) the better. as for a 'noob' pvp area, there is none per se, but you should try and take a look at red vs blue, brave newbies of just join faction warfare (there's some 1on1 action there).
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
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