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Kober Singular
Russian Thunder Squad Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:51:00 -
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This very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very BAD idea. Idiotismo idea. Autors give Darvin premium!!!! |
Jack bubu
GK inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:52:00 -
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Kober Singular wrote:This very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very BAD idea. Idiotismo idea. Autors give Darvin premium!!!! u afraid of player interaction? |
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CCP Omen
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:53:00 -
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Hathrul wrote:CCP Omen wrote: The Customs Office can be anchored a certain distance from a planet, it doesn't perform any more checks than that. So I guess you can have it close by an Outpost but not by a POS, since they are around moons.
so if you can change the location a bit of your custom office, will it have to be scanned down? because whats the point otherwise of having an area to deploy it and if the location can be chosen, how will it be found and used? will it be done with combat scanner probes? still on overview for people with good standings? will you be able to set standings like +10 can see it on overview?
CONCORD (or someone) demands that all Customs Offices are always visible on the Overview per default no matter who owns them. Game Designer Team Pi |
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Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:53:00 -
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I doubt anybody will be looking at building a customs office for each of their planets unless they are in w-space. It'll take some time for the new planetary infrastructure to be build by players but once it is then we'll have to see how many just want the taxes and leave them as free ports.
This is probably the first time industrial corporations can actually engage in warfare that affects production. Or even really provides them a reason to. Rees Noturana // Professional Treasure Hunter |
Kaminu
Lost Souls Continuum United Pod Service
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:53:00 -
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A good extension would be to set different taxes for different standings. i.E.
Corp = 0% Alliance = 2% +10 = 5% +5 = 10% 0 = no access -5 = no access -10 = no access
Why not selling the service to anyone that is willing to pay for it? If a player CO is placed in low sec why should the owner not earn more from player he dont know as from his friends? |
Walextheone
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:54:00 -
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I don't like the 24 hour reinforcment. In w-space at least you don't have that much time before the wormholes closes. |
Nirnaeth Ornoediad
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:54:00 -
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Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:Nirnaeth Ornoediad wrote:.... (Thus, no PI in NPC 0.0). What are you smoking? PI is 100% feasible in NPC 0.0 to any poor slob who comes along.
Seriously? What the hell is my PI alt doing in low-sec then....argh! |
Nirnaeth Ornoediad
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:55:00 -
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Walextheone wrote:I don't like the 24 hour reinforcment. In w-space at least you don't have that much time before the wormholes closes.
Then PI in wormholes just got a bit safer, or at least destroying PI will take a bit more investment. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
14
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:55:00 -
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My main complaint is that these should require at least some fuel on a regular basis, just like a POS tower. Something around 15M ISK/mo with the ability to hold 30 to 60 days of fuel. If you can't raise 500k/day in taxes, then you should consider not putting up a customs office at all.
And I'm disappointed that there is no Strontium bay to control the reinforcement time. Make it so that while you can still pick the "come out of reinforcement window" that you still have to have enough Stront in the bay to fuel it for long enough to make that happen (allow storage of 24h of stront). You still get the ability of the defender to control the timer, but only if they have the foresight to keep the stront bay topped off. |
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CCP Omen
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:57:00 -
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Sir HappyPants wrote:Jack Dant wrote:Sir HappyPants wrote:CCP Omen wrote:Dr Mercy wrote:Any comments on HP levels? =HP scpecification= * Customs Office Gantry ** Shield: 10,000,000 ** Armor: 500,000 ** Structure: 300,000 * Customs Office ** Shield: 10,000,000 ** Armor: 2,500,000 ** Structure: 2,000,000 Regards Omen That would take a long time for a lone supercap pilot for anyone who may be wondering... I doubt too many drive-by-POCO bimbing will happen with HP this high... 12 minutes to reinforce with a solo nyx is not "a long time". 12 minutes in space and potentially vulnerable, especially solo? Long enough to make some (most?) supercap owners think twice imo. That said, with HP values that high, it'll be another thing that will "need" a blob.
We will try and figure out how to avoid the blob incentive without making the experience of owning one, EVEN WORSE. It's a very delicate problem. The relative low value of most CO might be enough not to warrant assembling a blob.
Regards Omen
Game Designer Team Pi |
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Midnight Hope
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:58:00 -
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If you are going to blow up every PO on launch date, I hope you thought what you are going to do with all the stuff in those offices. Are you going to blow it up as well??
I can already see PI prices spiking, regardless of the increase in link capacity. |
Sarina Berghil
New Zion Judge Advocate
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:58:00 -
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I'm a bit worried this may end up being yet another reason for individual players or small corps to stay put in high-sec. It's a pretty big nerf to ninja-PI.
On the bright side it's an interesting small-scale conflict driver and allows for some passive income for the owning corporation.
One idea: How about letting the owner control the tax rate within reasonable limits, but force access to be public regardless of standing. Non-owners would be able to use the planet, at an increased fee and risk of getting ganked. Owners would get secondary income at the cost of not having complete control of who uses it.
My biggest concern with the implementation described would be that the majority of planets would be simply be closed down to anyone but blues, and become yet another toy only available to big corps or alliances. Thats very different from the original idea that PI is for everyone.
In terms of HP, they seem in line with small control towers. Those can be killed by a small fleet with some effort. Sounds like a reasonable size. |
Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:59:00 -
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Raziphan Rebular wrote:But this move, takes PI away from the little guy and moves it into the hands of corporations. God forbid you be encouraged to interact with other people in an MMO. It's not you guys who need to repair what has been broken, it's us. CCP Wrangler |
Kata Amentis
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:59:00 -
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Walextheone wrote:I don't like the 24 hour reinforcment. In w-space at least you don't have that much time before the wormholes closes.
So a harassment attack could reinforce, but if you want to kill their stuff you need to invade. Does that not seem fair? |
Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:00:00 -
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If I got this right, these structures will have a bit less EHP than small towers, and cost about 80m ISK to build and set up (including the BPC from a FW corp). There is basically zero risk going to one and trying to blow it up - even if you are alone in some small ship. It will just take a while.
I'm not sure this is particularly good. It invites "bored people" to just reinforce a few customs offices etc. when no one is around. It would likely be good to keep an eye on how that plays out. They might might need some kind of protection (make it possible to anchor POS batteries around it?)
Also, do customs offices continue to work while reinforced? |
XavierVE
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:00:00 -
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Yay, another reason not to visit low sec. With sov-held 0.0 firmly in the hands of blue fests and renters, PI was one of the few reasons anyone had to visit low sec, and now that's removed. Customs offices will simply be blown up by blobs and low sec pirates with that low of HP. Same with NPC 0.0. Can't wait for all the bluebear sov 0.0 entities to go wipe out low sec and NPC 0.0 PI and to set standings so you have to join the boring state of sov-0.0 to make any isk.
Low sec gets turned into even more of a ghost-town with this change and large entities get another way to push small entities out into the cold. Lamest change to EVE in quite a while. |
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CCP Omen
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:02:00 -
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Ra Voreen wrote:CCP Omen wrote:Ra Voreen wrote:How will it work in null-sec ? Are the planets still reserved to the alliance that holds sov ? We are undecided on this topic, it could go either way right now any preference? Omen Maybe restrict the ability to build the custom office to the alliance that have sov, but allow everybody to launch command center. That will allow "rogue PI" in enemy space, but keeping a (good) advantage to the sov holder. I dont think it will be used a lot, but it adds a nice little thing to the game, and a bit more immersion. Also, this will allow people to have 0.0 areas with open PI. I am thinking about CVA or the Goon's idea of Delve thunderdome here. Also, please allow a corp to transfer the ownership of the CO to another, to allow corp that leave alliances to transfer CO, like the way they can transfer iHubs now. Ideally, you could also include it in the contract system, to allow a corp to sell its CO to another one, which can be a nice and interesting business ;)
Yeah, you should absolutely be able to transfer ownership of a CO. We'll try and get this done. Regarding sov space, we need to think about that, and all your feedback is very appreciated.
Regards Omen Game Designer Team Pi |
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
14
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:02:00 -
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muhuh Aihaken wrote: Can we get a checkbox to set it for alliance only rather than having to make all our friends +5? Also is it based off corp standings or alliance standings?
It should have been done so that you could set taxes by level...
One tax rate for corp members, a 2nd tax rate for alliance, then tax rates for the 5 different standings levels. Which would let you do something silly like (or whatever floats your boat):
Corp = 5% Alliance = 10% +10 = 10% +5 = 20% neutral = 30% -5 = no access -10 = 100%
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Dragnkat
HAMMER STAR BLADE Universal Paranoia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:03:00 -
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So let me get this straight, every non high sec customs office is being removed? Or only being removed if the players anchor a CO?
If its that first then congrats CCP, that's a giant screw you to every little guy PI'er out there, and those who enjoy a life of ninja hauling and running goods out from low sec PI under the noses of other larger corps. Not to mention you just ruined the entire setup I spent the better part of three hours doing across four planets just last night,
A setup that involved sucking up the tax costs and used the npc CO as a transit point. As in launchpad A by extractor too far to link sends goods to CO, then import back down to launchpad B where factories are, refine through basic and advanced, haul back out, profit. since it's in low sec and I want to make as few trips as possible.
Said setup also in a part of low sec that my corp has no interest in trying to own or set anything up in. One I picked for good planets and specifically spent the entire last month and a half training up for blockade runners and PI to make use of.
And now you're telling me I'm reduced to the massive time sink and high risk of having to rely on launch cans?
That and without a CO how are you going to import goods back down to a planet as well for a factory setup should it be in non high sec?
Another change great for the megacorps and the blobs, horrible for everyone else. Color me rather pissed off. Though it makes me glad I'm training for combat ships right now. Looks like it's back to mission running or rock crunching if this change goes through. |
Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:03:00 -
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30mil for the first stage module, another 30 in parts to upgrade it to functionality. BPC cost 6k LP and 20mil from CONCORD LP store (incursion) or 3k LP and 10mil from factional warfare LP stores.
So, weGÇÖll probably see 200mil for the first mods. After a month, itGÇÖs possible prices will drop to 100mil. We probably wonGÇÖt see bottom dollar (~75mil) for at least 3-6 months. This doesnGÇÖt even begin to address the HUGE spike in PI material prices that weGÇÖll see. The early speculation alone will spike prices to minimum 200% up to a month before release and final details are set in place. Towers are going to also see an incredible increase in price due to simple demand for the parts for the customs offices. Although they probably are not produced or consumed in high enough volumes for the price increase to be very noticeable at first. Simply fueling towers will also become more burdensome, especially in the early days of the release of the feature.
All mechanics aside, I don't see this as a positive change. There are just not enough benefits coming from the change for players as a whole. I will say that the small operator out in low-sec is faced with a decision of putting the mods out and risking large sums of isk or simply packing up and going back to mission running. I'm curious as to how much these 'small operators' are contributing to the supply of PI materials.
Inflation is also a concern. You're removing a consistent isk sink and introducing a 'one-time' sink in the cost of the BPCs. WIth the prices posted, I think you're overestimating how often these structures will be destroyed. The structure shooting game will be fun at first, but over time, I see this as a concern.
Essentially, for awhile, towers will see a rapid decline in usage or simply a higher cost of operation. Invasion of space will see a similar effect. I see those two things as a very good reason to consider further development of the feature. More benefits should be added to the process of PI, such as (mentioned several times in this thread alone) simplified PI management, tools that help ease the click-fest, and possibly an increase in PI yeild from all planets to help deal with the supply shock. |
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grootgroot
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:04:00 -
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Wow. This is unexpected and very interesting. Nice one CCP.
It should cause some interesting economic side-effects too.
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Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:04:00 -
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Also, WTF has the militia got to do with this transfer of faction control to the capsualeer community?
Not sure about other factions but buying custom office blueprints from say; Federation Customs or Amarr Trade Registry with loyalty points would make much more sense than grubbing LPs with the militia. |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
920
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:04:00 -
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CCP Omen wrote: We will try and figure out how to avoid the blob incentive without making the experience of owning one, EVEN WORSE. It's a very delicate problem. The relative low value of most CO might be enough not to warrant assembling a blob.
Regards Omen
this looks like it has a stupidly good passive tank: can that be nerfed some so that small gangs don't have most of their dps removed by shield regen? |
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CCP Omen
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:04:00 -
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Captain Byte wrote:Why not simplify the whole idea, and make a Customs Office a POS module. One Customs Office per system. Having one at each planet makes NO sense. That way you address all the Sov questions posted. It also answers fueling questions, and vulnerability questions. BTW, who gets the tax on launches?
Something that is a real pain, and I wish you were addressing is the lack of corporate PI. Everything is geared to the individual, forcing each character to handle their own import/export, rather than production being corporate oriented.
Make the PI interface simpler overall. The click fest we have now is riduculous. The Science and Industry overview should be useful for more than opening Planet Mode to reset production cycles. Show the detail for each planet module, and allow use to reset them from there. Oh, and get rid of the timer slider. Let us enter the time directly. While it may be 'pretty', it's not very functional.
Leave wormholes alone. The only thing they're good for is PI and ratting. And jacking the tax in hi-sec? PI is a worthless endeavor there now. You need to be in null sec or a wormhole before the concentrations let you make any money. Even then, you can make more ISK per hour ratting.
That said, if you persist in this change, I'm hoarding my level 4 PI production, because their value is going through the roof.
The very fact that the prices will go through the roof suggests that PI in highsec can be very profitable at times? Game Designer Team Pi |
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Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:05:00 -
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@CCP Omen, you should join the #tweetfleet. There are people at work that have questions too. Rees Noturana // Professional Treasure Hunter |
Illectroculus Defined
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:06:00 -
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OK this is the kind of PI development I like to see.
Now, my only suggestion is that since I imagine there'll be a mad rush to erect these things CCP should use this as and opportunity to clear out some of the stockpiles of P3's which were acquired from NPC sources prior to Tyrannis. Specifically if the Build for either structure required a pile of planetary vehicles then it would mean that the first wave of structures built would be subsidized by all those stockpiles and thus cheaper, then over time, PV stockpiles would run out and finally the price of that item would reflect the cost of manufacture.
I think Guidance Systems are also in the same category, but to a lesser extent.
And I'm pretty sure most robotics stockpiles are long used up. |
Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions The Laughing Men
0
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:06:00 -
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Sarina Berghil wrote:I'm a bit worried this may end up being yet another reason for individual players or small corps to stay put in high-sec. It's a pretty big nerf to ninja-PI.
On the bright side it's an interesting small-scale conflict driver and allows for some passive income for the owning corporation.
One idea: How about letting the owner control the tax rate within reasonable limits, but force access to be public regardless of standing. Non-owners would be able to use the planet, at an increased fee and risk of getting ganked. Owners would get secondary income at the cost of not having complete control of who uses it.
My biggest concern with the implementation described would be that the majority of planets would be simply be closed down to anyone but blues, and become yet another toy only available to big corps or alliances. Thats very different from the original idea that PI is for everyone.
In terms of HP, they seem in line with small control towers. Those can be killed by a small fleet with some effort. Sounds like a reasonable size.
this ^
publicy accessible and still profitable to owners. |
Boo mkII
Sense of Serendipity Echoes of Nowhere
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:07:00 -
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This is an interesting concept, but I fear the way players will use it.
As it has been put forward, as implemented it could be easy for a block to remove all Customs Offices from a region. making it hard for PI to be done effectively for smaller entities. Launching goods from PI is not a very viable option.
I feel more viable options should be available when there is no custom office available (I am thinking especially about Low Sec and Wormholes).
Also, I thought when I started reading the blog, I thought that players would replace the Customs PNJ (the ones that scan for illegal goods) and was so excited about that... |
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CCP Omen
C C P C C P Alliance
12
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:07:00 -
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Rees Noturana wrote:Will customs offices still appear on the overview as they do today? Yes Game Designer Team Pi |
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CCP Omen
C C P C C P Alliance
12
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:08:00 -
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Dinta Zembo wrote:So this means that if I'm the only person using a bunch of planets for PI, I will have to personally invest hundreds of millions of ISK in to buying 5 customs offices? Don't think so.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Someone else could set them up and you just use them and pay taxes? Game Designer Team Pi |
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