BTW, CCP really needs to rethink the customs office locations too.

Small gang and solo baiting became very messy when every planet got one (like they eventually will after this change too), so there was a very close but separate warpable grid for every planet, even those without belts. So people following a target will warp to the wrong place 50% of the time and any kind of splitting gangs became near impossible. The change was very bad for higher end PVP, please change this.

Either move the customs offices to the same exact spot as the planet or do something else. Maybe make the customs offices only visitable via probing and never visible on overview?

BTW one solution would be to only change things if a planet has 0 belts (because those are the best "baiting" warpables, one clear location), so make a rule where those will have the customs office in the same exact spot as the planet, but don't change anything if the planet has belts and thus several warpables even without PI.

I would like there to continue to be 2 warp in points for a planet, the planet and the CO. The answers from devs have kinda indicated that you have a choice where you anchor a PCO. Maybe that's not such a good idea. I disagree with having to scan down a PCO to use it.

Another question that has never been answered by the devs... what happens to the stuff that a PI player has in the PCO if it gets destroyed?

POCOs have a reinforce timer like POSs, however unlike POSs you don't need to fuel it. You get to choose the hour which it comes out of reinforce giving you advance notice and the opportunity to align it for when your corp is most active.

We are expecting BPCs and the built gantrys to be sold on the open market by those players who have loyalty points. The more entrepreneurial players out there would already be thinking about ways to get hold of more loyalty points before hand to make the most of the initial demand.

... leave the customs offices in place (even at an increased tax rate) and have them "offlined" if a PCO (...) is present. ...

If you do that then there is a lot less incentive to build or destroy PCO's. It would make the expansion as worhtless as Incarna. CCP won't do that.
At best they will let the sale of CO BPCs to the general public start some time before actually removing them.

Haha CCP is gonna read this and go 'yep we're heard enough, LAUNCH THE PCO BPO'S!'

'Also close this thread, it is no longer needed. They'll be fine.'

C'mon Nullabor, think this through. Simplest solution would be to leave the customs offices in place (even at an increased tax rate) and have them "offlined" if a PCO (I like that better than POCO) is present. Hell just make some kind of isPcoPresent flag and allow or deny access based on that. If there's a PCO, you need to use that to connect to the launchpads. If not, the customs office is accessible and connects to the launch pads. Even if this is only for a three to six month transitionary period it prevents the crippling effects simply removing the customs offices will have. Forget about what you "expect" the players to do. Since when do they do that anyhow? Look at what's really happening in the game. Then step back and look at it from a broader perspective, not just that of a dev on the PI team.

The biggest thing you do with leaving customs offices in place as described is basically save low sec PI by giving hogh sec people something to fight for... namely access to low sec planets that corporations either set up a PCO as a denial of access tactic or set up at an exhorborant tax rate. People in high sec will have a reason to head into low and blow the PCOs to hell, allowing themselves access to the customs office until such a time as they can plant one of their own or someone does at a tax rate the high sec folks find worth paying.

You know this makes sense.

Wormholes also benefit nicely from this method... PCOs can be brought in as needed rather than making them a requirement to get immediately or their fuel supply is shut off. You're putting too much control over wormhole living in the hands of people you "expect" to be offering the BPCs on the market. I'm sure there will be at first, but the prices will be crippling... this is Eve, that's what people do. This chatter you're seeing about 'just using the launchpads'... look at the volumes of stuff moved in wormhole PI and you'll be forced to admit that's a load of crap, even if you're using that as an escape to convince yourselves you're not really breaking the system.

These PCOs have a lot of potential, they really do. But you're also seeing a lot of potential issues. It's far more important... or at least it should be... to introduce these in a way that benefits the game as a whole instead of focusing on a timeline. There needs to be a gradualness built in that allows the majority to absorb the impact relatively painlessly. One really bad decision that breaks a significant part of the game for a lot of people can easily overshadow for those people some of the great things coming at the same time.

Try and look at it from the perspective of someone actually in the game, not of that as someone that designed the system and has an emotional attachment to the initial design.

Your corp can tax PI like you would tax rat bounties, or you make PI free for your corp/allies. Either way your corp gets to keep ISK that would otherwise go down a sink.

You have 24-47 hours to form your defence. There is little point in defending the POCO before it comes out of reinforcement. You have the defensive advantage with the WH being your home territory while the attackers must setup fresh logistics so that they can attack on two different days.

Buy the POCO BPC's through contracts or buy the POCO's from the market. This is the same as any other commodity. There are so many different ways that items are seeded that it is impractical for anyone to get everything they want directly from its source. If the prices for POCO BPC's are "too high", then players will migrate towards running Incursions/Faction Warfare until the price is driven down. This is the same as pirate faction ship BPC's being priced "too high", except that POCO BPC's will be even more accessible and therefore subject to faster price corrections.

This change certainly appears to favor W-space over low-sec. Depending on any further revisions, I will be looking at relocating my low-sec PI operations to W-space.

I say again the concept is a good one it is just not thought out correctly. as it applies to WH space.

Remove the POCOs, but increase the command center launch capability by 25% for every level trained in Command Center Upgrades.

Or just make the higher variants of the Command Center hold more and be able to launch more at the same time:

Level 0 CC - 500 m3
Level 1 CC - 750 m3
Level 3 CC - 1000 m3
Level 4 CC - 1500 m3
Level 5 CC - 2000 m3

(I don't think you should go much above 2000 m3. for the top level. And frankly, the level V command center should have a good bit more CPU/PG then it does now to pay for that long training time.)

Remove the POCOs, but increase the command center launch capability by 25% for every level trained in Command Center Upgrades.

Or just make the higher variants of the Command Center hold more and be able to launch more at the same time:

Level 0 CC - 500 m3
Level 1 CC - 750 m3
Level 3 CC - 1000 m3
Level 4 CC - 1500 m3
Level 5 CC - 2000 m3

(I don't think you should go much above 2000 m3. for the top level. And frankly, the level V command center should have a good bit more CPU/PG then it does now to pay for that long training time.)

Remove the POCOs, but increase the command center launch capability by 25% for every level trained in Command Center Upgrades.

Or just make the higher variants of the Command Center hold more and be able to launch more at the same time:

Level 0 CC - 500 m3
Level 1 CC - 750 m3
Level 3 CC - 1000 m3
Level 4 CC - 1500 m3
Level 5 CC - 2000 m3

(I don't think you should go much above 2000 m3. for the top level. And frankly, the level V command center should have a good bit more CPU/PG then it does now to pay for that long training time.)

Ugh... my own person experience shows that even the 2000m3 is insufficient. Besides, it's not practical to rely on the command center for storage... they rarely remain connected to the rest of the PI network. Most often, when the resources deplete in one area you move the netowrk aroudn the planet while the command center remains where it was established.

(Also a reason against relying on them for launching... they're not attached or near the PI network.)

That's the choice you made when you moved your buildings away from the Command Center. So if you can't count on the POCO being available, you had better migrate your setup back towards the Command Center, or run a link back to the Command Center.

(I also have a few colonies that I'm going to have to redo in order to use the CC for launches as a fallback - but it's nobody's fault but my own that my buildings are far away from the CC.)

the cc dosnt have to be linked to teh storage(launchpad) to put stuff in it does it? i thought it was that experdite transfer thing that teleported it there.

if you do have to link it, the cc should be movible as that was designed when the resorses didnt move all over the planet, like the pi mark2 now does
brings me back to pi should be redone compleatly before you add more dull stuff to it, just imo ofc

I much prefer the type of constructive criticism offered in Leocadminone's recent post, to (what was) some name-calling offered by Holy One. [Edit: Props for the edit!]

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Does that mean with certain Skills and Uber Sec Status, WE can work for Concord and be "Space Police" working along side Concord to deal with "Law Breakers"?

Maybe be given a special Concord Implant that improves Weapon/Ship skills/abilities...etc.

Just make it extremely hard to join, and extremely easy to get kicked! ( a must is 9.5 Sec with State + Pirateless history vs When a single Concord employment rule is broken: Insta-pop to loose implant + an insta -0.9 Sec)

That would stir things up!

You can only expedite transfer via 'LINKS' - so if there is no link to the Command Center then your SOL...

CCP is not going to make the CC installation movable - that's a consequential choice to unlink it - and as cheap as CC's are, decommissioning a colony isn't the end of the world if you need to make a strategic redeployment of your CC/ Colony

not the end of the world, just a total pain in the arse waste of time, effort and isk.
pi as a whole needs reworking imo to not be a ballache, then tack the dust eve link on.

I wonder if after this feature, Team Pi will be continuing work on refining PI in general?

Given that it's completely tied in with Dust, and given that we'll need something to defend our colonies from console kiddies, one would very much hope so.

I very much doubt Dust guys will attack colonies. All the news from Dust say it's based on corps, and CCP has not moved away from the "colonies for players not corps" idea.

My own guess is that CCP will introduce a surface counterpart to the customs office, and Dust bunnies will fight over those.