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Saren Aposis
Merchants without Borders
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:44:00 -
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Now I have heard of people saying that I'm playing EVE wrong, and I don't doubt them.
Do you guy's have any idea how I could get out there and Do what I wanted to do? Fight and Bounty Hunt, Should I sell my procurer and buy a Rupture? or is there something better I could do? |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1757
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:47:00 -
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The Procurer isn't a combat ship, so ya, get into something else. Frigates are a recommended starting point.
Also join a PvP corp. Seriously. EVE is boring without friends. |
Concurssi Mellenar
The Scope Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:57:00 -
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Brave Newbies Inc. now recruiting! He who controls the veld, controls the universe. |
Saren Aposis
Merchants without Borders
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:03:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:The Procurer isn't a combat ship, so ya, get into something else. Frigates are a recommended starting point.
Also join a PvP corp. Seriously. EVE is boring without friends.
It's not that I was intending to use the procurer for fighting, I just want to know if I should sell it and Buy a Cruiser. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
10701
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:26:00 -
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Saren Aposis wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:The Procurer isn't a combat ship, so ya, get into something else. Frigates are a recommended starting point.
Also join a PvP corp. Seriously. EVE is boring without friends. It's not that I was intending to use the procurer for fighting, I just want to know if I should sell it and Buy a Cruiser.
If you don't have experience in how to PvP you will lose that cruiser probably to a single frigate "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Saren Aposis
Merchants without Borders
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:27:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Saren Aposis wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:The Procurer isn't a combat ship, so ya, get into something else. Frigates are a recommended starting point.
Also join a PvP corp. Seriously. EVE is boring without friends. It's not that I was intending to use the procurer for fighting, I just want to know if I should sell it and Buy a Cruiser. If you don't have experience in how to PvP you will lose that cruiser probably to a single frigate
Honestly I'm willing to do anything, Just along as I avoid mining and get into combat. |
Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2013.04.28 00:23:00 -
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Dude. If you don't want to mine... don't.
There's this really annoying myth that (somehow) gets perpetuated that you simply MUST spend your Eve-youth watching mining lasers cycle for weeks on end. Don't buy into that ****. If you enjoy mining, mine. If you don't enjoy mining, don't do it.
I wouldn't recommend jumping into PvP in a cruiser, but definitely go do some combat (even PvE) in a frigate, and start training in that direction. |
Dyphorus
VC Academy
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Posted - 2013.04.28 00:29:00 -
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You want to shoot people, and you're flying a procurer?
Then yes you're doing it wrong. Join one of the thousand+ PvP guilds. Fit PvP ships. Stop shooting rocks.... win! |
Haulie Berry
519
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Posted - 2013.04.28 00:37:00 -
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Also, re: mining myth - it's amazing how pervasive that myth is, too. I had some RL friends pick up the game a few years back.
First thing I told them: Whatever you do, don't mine. It's boring and you will not enjoy it. There are better things to do. Train some combat skills, run some level 1 missions for a little income while you're doing that, and in a few days I'll take you guys out for some PvP.
First thing they do? Form a little corp and start noob mining ops in cruisers. They didn't make it two weeks. |
J'Poll
Aegis Consolidated
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Posted - 2013.04.28 02:01:00 -
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Saren Aposis wrote:Now I have heard of people saying that I'm playing EVE wrong, and I don't doubt them.
Do you guy's have any idea how I could get out there and Do what I wanted to do? Fight and Bounty Hunt, Should I sell my procurer and buy a Rupture? or is there something better I could do?
Wait...you want to PvP and bought a procurer and started mining...YES you are playing EVE wrong.
If you want to PvP....go PvP, don't go mining. When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Professional Forum Thread locker. |
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Praxis Ginimic
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Posted - 2013.04.28 03:49:00 -
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Its not very hard to earn enough isk to pay for 2 or 3 lost frigs a day. Try station trading. You can log a character with 1 week of training on for 10 min a day. They never need to leave tje station and they will make enough isk to burn down a few frigs no prob.
Edit: or just sell a plex every month or two. No grinding, mining, pve of any sort and I find it rewarding when I don't give a flying rats as$ about losing a cruiser with meta 4 guns on it. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.04.28 06:41:00 -
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Agony Unleashed still run PvP classes. I highly recommend seeking them out. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Juraj Dobrila
Deset Kuna
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Posted - 2013.04.28 06:50:00 -
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If you want to fight, since apparently all you've done so far is mine(kudos on lasting two months, most people quit in two weeks because of this... disease) then start by running some security missions. Immediatelly going for PvP would be like trying to learn how to swim by jumping into an ocean. Shark-infested. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1335
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Posted - 2013.04.28 07:19:00 -
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If you want PvP, consider joining Faction Warfare. PvP, and get paid to do it. Steve Ronuken for CSM 8 Handy tools and SDE conversions Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Andres Talas
Brave Newbies Inc.
100
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:54:00 -
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Concurssi Mellenar wrote:Brave Newbies Inc. now recruiting!
Look, under the rules of this forum, I cant say that.
But I can say that EvE is more fun when you're shooting at ships you've never heard of. |
Andres Talas
Brave Newbies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:56:00 -
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Juraj Dobrila wrote:If you want to fight, since apparently all you've done so far is mine(kudos on lasting two months, most people quit in two weeks because of this... disease) then start by running some security missions. Immediatelly going for PvP would be like trying to learn how to swim by jumping into an ocean. Shark-infested.
Meta zero tech one frigates.
Pandemic Legion.
Warp to zero.
If he'll get in the ship, and X up for fleet, he'll be fine. |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front New Creation Collective
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:47:00 -
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Juraj Dobrila wrote:If you want to fight, since apparently all you've done so far is mine(kudos on lasting two months, most people quit in two weeks because of this... disease) then start by running some security missions. Immediatelly going for PvP would be like trying to learn how to swim by jumping into an ocean. Shark-infested.
Disagree strongly with this. Security missions are barely even related to ship-on-ship PvP. The newbie-you-must-run-missions myth is just as pervasive and just as harmful as the newbie-you-must-mine myth.
PVE blows. This is known.
The best way to jump right into PvP is to join a corp that will give you the opportunity to get in lots of casual, newbie-friendly fleets. Trying to start out solo PvPing is not impossible, but can be very challenging, and many people find it frustrating in the early months. The two best organizations in the game for this are RvB and Brave Newbies Inc. Having tried both, my vote is for BNI.
Don't overlook opportunities for piracy, either. If your current corp runs mining ops, for example, show up in a destroyer and murder them all one day, or tackle their Orca and hold it for ransom. Piracy can be a lot of fun, and is actually quite low-SP friendly in many cases. Join the Revolutionary Front and liberate New Eden from it's stuff.
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Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
268
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:57:00 -
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Juraj Dobrila wrote:If you want to fight, since apparently all you've done so far is mine(kudos on lasting two months, most people quit in two weeks because of this... disease) then start by running some security missions. Immediatelly going for PvP would be like trying to learn how to swim by jumping into an ocean. Shark-infested. If you want to pvp then pvp do not do missions.
If you want to run missions then run missions.
To pvp in EVE all you need to do is have a ship and you're set. You can pvp anywhere in EVE if you are willing to accept the consequences for your actions (100% guarantee of ship loss in highsec for example plus security rating being lowered) so there is no reason, at all, to do any other activity if you don't want to.
As you learn to pvp you will learn how to make ISK doing it but the only way to pvp is to do it.
To answer the question regarding the procurer: yes, sell it and buy a frigate that interests you. If you feel like you want to try out a cruiser then use a cruiser. Just go for it but be aware that you will probably lose it so be prepared to finance a replacement (or ten). As you explore the pvp element of the game you will find ways to self-finance without "having" to run missions or mine or do any of that stuff. Or, you can finance your ship losses that way if you want to. It's up to you.
I know many people in EVE who only pvp and finance their ship losses from their pvping. It can be done. If you think about it logically - ships drop 50% of what they had fit plus salvage. So, if you win a few fights or find wrecks floating in space you can make enough ISK to buy new ships. |
J'Poll
Aegis Consolidated
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:37:00 -
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Fractal Muse wrote:Juraj Dobrila wrote:If you want to fight, since apparently all you've done so far is mine(kudos on lasting two months, most people quit in two weeks because of this... disease) then start by running some security missions. Immediatelly going for PvP would be like trying to learn how to swim by jumping into an ocean. Shark-infested. If you want to pvp then pvp do not do missions. If you want to run missions then run missions. To pvp in EVE all you need to do is have a ship and you're set. You can pvp anywhere in EVE if you are willing to accept the consequences for your actions (100% guarantee of ship loss in highsec for example plus security rating being lowered) so there is no reason, at all, to do any other activity if you don't want to. As you learn to pvp you will learn how to make ISK doing it but the only way to pvp is to do it. To answer the question regarding the procurer: yes, sell it and buy a frigate that interests you. If you feel like you want to try out a cruiser then use a cruiser. Just go for it but be aware that you will probably lose it so be prepared to finance a replacement (or ten). As you explore the pvp element of the game you will find ways to self-finance without "having" to run missions or mine or do any of that stuff. Or, you can finance your ship losses that way if you want to. It's up to you. I know many people in EVE who only pvp and finance their ship losses from their pvping. It can be done. If you think about it logically - ships drop 50% of what they had fit plus salvage. So, if you win a few fights or find wrecks floating in space you can make enough ISK to buy new ships.
Bold part is incorrect.
Ships don't drop 50% of the items.
Every item on the ship has a 50% chance of being dropped.
Those things are NOT the same. I have seen kills where only 1 thing dropped from a long list of cargo, and others were almost all items dropped.
When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Professional Forum Thread locker. |
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
268
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:12:00 -
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J'Poll wrote: Bold part is incorrect.
Ships don't drop 50% of the items.
Every item on the ship has a 50% chance of being dropped.
Those things are NOT the same. I have seen kills where only 1 thing dropped from a long list of cargo, and others were almost all items dropped.
Okay, on average 50% of stuff will drop over the long term depending on the loot faerie.
Better? ;) |
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Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.29 01:36:00 -
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Fractal Muse wrote:J'Poll wrote: Bold part is incorrect.
Ships don't drop 50% of the items.
Every item on the ship has a 50% chance of being dropped.
Those things are NOT the same. I have seen kills where only 1 thing dropped from a long list of cargo, and others were almost all items dropped.
Okay, on average 50% of stuff will drop over the long term depending on the loot faerie. Better? ;) Nope. |
Rachel Starchaser
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.29 03:01:00 -
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Get out and do some pvp that or join a pirate corp. Large scale engagements are always laggy fun. |
Nyla Skin
Maximum fun chamber
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Posted - 2013.04.29 11:23:00 -
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Rachel Starchaser wrote:Get out and do some pvp that or join a pirate corp. Large scale engagements are always laggy fun.
False. |
Saren Aposis
Merchants without Borders
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Posted - 2013.04.29 20:25:00 -
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Is anybody here willing to take me on? I've Sold my ship, and I'm looking for a suitable ship to fly in. |
Commissar Akiga
Aerodyne Collective. WHY so Seri0Us
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:19:00 -
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Mine, mine and then mine some more. Establish a solid income platform so that when you lose ships doing what you want to do, you have the means to earn enough to replace it with relative ease.
Once you've established that I'd go ahead and join Red Versus Blue and get some PvP training, many would suggest that as well. You could even meet some allies there... or future targets.
When you think you're ready to move out into open space on your lonesome, find some decent destroyer, frigate or cruiser fits, buy a few of them and fit them and then have some fun.
The worst possible thing you could do is drop everything and jump into it, most likely lose everything you have and then find yourself back in a Venture trying to make ISK so you can get back out there. Give it another month, train up so you can get Tech II Mining Laser Upgrades etc, buy a Retriever and get those MLU's on it with some Strip Miners and then mine for a few weeks to give yourself a nice little pot to work with, dock your mining ship up for future use and then go for it. A man of genius makes no mistakes. His errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery. |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.30 10:27:00 -
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Commissar Akiga wrote:Mine, mine and then mine some more. Establish a solid income platform so that when you lose ships doing what you want to do, you have the means to earn enough to replace it with relative ease.
Once you've established that I'd go ahead and join Red Versus Blue and get some PvP training, many would suggest that as well. You could even meet some allies there... or future targets.
When you think you're ready to move out into open space on your lonesome, find some decent destroyer, frigate or cruiser fits, buy a few of them and fit them and then have some fun.
The worst possible thing you could do is drop everything and jump into it, most likely lose everything you have and then find yourself back in a Venture trying to make ISK so you can get back out there. Give it another month, train up so you can get Tech II Mining Laser Upgrades etc, buy a Retriever and get those MLU's on it with some Strip Miners and then mine for a few weeks to give yourself a nice little pot to work with, dock your mining ship up for future use and then go for it.
You are bad and should feel bad. The only comment you had right was telling him not to lose everything he owns in one shot, but otherwise this is the most toxic advice you can give a newbie who wants to PvP. Train T2 mining lasers and buy a retriever? You should be ashamed of yourself. |
Zak Breen
Beagle Expeditions
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:46:00 -
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You can join my corp (Beagle Expeditions) if you'd like. We mostly explore and dive into WHs to run Sleeper sites and anomalies. We'll provide you with a ship and skill books if you need them, too. Seriously, though, if you don't get involved with a corp or do SOMETHING with other people then EVE isn't going to be any fun. |
Sheena Tzash
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.30 13:10:00 -
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EVE is a big place filled with a lot of stuff you can do:
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
While PvP is fun I think most players would admit that it doesn't pay very well and you may find it hard to pay for your losses early on because you don't have the income stream.
Finding a good corp is probably just first option - one that speaks to what you want to do with your time but equally be able to support you starting out and teach you how to PvP.
Even with that said its good to have some backup plans and think of some other activities that you like to do in EVE as it may not always be possible to have someone help you out all the time and being self sufficiant is always a good thing.
Factional Warfare is usually a good start for young PvP players as you can control your engagement size with the 'rookie' sites (so you don't get ganked by larger ships) and gets you a feel for FW without dropping you in the deep end.
Other than that missions are still a good (if a really repetitive) alternative for making ISK or simply give you some training targets so that you get a better understanding of EVE combat.
Mining is still good fun with friends and the mining frig Venture is fairly reasonable ship at a tiny ISK cost and you can take it into low sec without caring much if it gets blown up :P
EVE is all about choice and finding the right activities that you enjoy and a corp that you can enjoy them with who will support you, but finding the right corp can be hard so don't feel bad if you have to take your time and pick or jump around a few till you find a good fit.
Good luck! |
Dallas Jaxon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.30 13:33:00 -
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I'm a bit new at this also, and the one thing I have learned is that having an income stream to tap into will support whatever direction you choose to go. If you can make sufficient ISK doing what you enjoy then by all means do it.
Thankfully there are many ways to make (and loose) ISK so you're not stuck doing the same thing for days on end.
There are even ways to generate ISK while you're out turning ships into salvage.
Have fun, try it all. |
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