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baltec1
Bat Country
6152
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Posted - 2013.04.29 13:01:00 -
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Steijn wrote:The main problem I see with these ice changes is that your going to push up the cost of running a POS. This will undoubtably lead to accounts been unsubbed due to the numerous research alts who will be pushed inactive. I know its not possible to say with any conviction what prices will settle at, but it doesnt look healthy to me and i can see the amount of subs suffering because of it. I know 1 of my accounts will be left to expire if it does become too costly tro run the slots. This doesnt mean im against the changes, I just feel that this initial change has gone a wee bit too far.
Good more sales for me |
Steijn
Quay Industries CAStabouts
260
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Posted - 2013.04.29 13:02:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Steijn wrote:The main problem I see with these ice changes is that your going to push up the cost of running a POS. This will undoubtably lead to accounts been unsubbed due to the numerous research alts who will be pushed inactive. I know its not possible to say with any conviction what prices will settle at, but it doesnt look healthy to me and i can see the amount of subs suffering because of it. I know 1 of my accounts will be left to expire if it does become too costly tro run the slots. This doesnt mean im against the changes, I just feel that this initial change has gone a wee bit too far. Good more sales for me
probably, but people unsubbing is not good for the game in the long run, thats my point. |
baltec1
Bat Country
6152
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Posted - 2013.04.29 13:07:00 -
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Steijn wrote:
probably, but people unsubbing is not good for the game in the long run, thats my point.
I have already lived through very expensive ice prices and still pulled out a profit, it simply means charging more. The few who will quit over this will mean more sales for me. The biggest body of people this will impace will be bots and honestly, who cares about their hardships. |
Steijn
Quay Industries CAStabouts
260
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Posted - 2013.04.29 13:10:00 -
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unless there are other game mechanics involved, this wont stop bots, it will just mean they arent online 23.5/7 They will soon be changed to 'find' these new anomalies. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1253
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Posted - 2013.04.30 07:47:00 -
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Steijn wrote:The main problem I see with these ice changes is that your going to push up the cost of running a POS. This will undoubtably lead to accounts been unsubbed due to the numerous research alts who will be pushed inactive. I know its not possible to say with any conviction what prices will settle at, but it doesnt look healthy to me and i can see the amount of subs suffering because of it. I know 1 of my accounts will be left to expire if it does become too costly tro run the slots. This doesnt mean im against the changes, I just feel that this initial change has gone a wee bit too far.
Good, I hope there are less pointless POS floating around. Especially in highsec. |
Red DragonZA
Indomitus Draco Rufus
2
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:41:00 -
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I am not against the change, but I have concerns.
I work full-time and when I come home, I like to relax with some ice mining. Now I have to sit and wait for a belt... some night no belt till after I have to go to bed. The respawn time is far to long. I am yet to find a ice belt in highsec
This new system is good for messing up bot miners, until the find a work around.
Ice and ice product prices will remain very high.
As for the new grav site scanning.... seriously? For 10 years we scanned down the grav site... and now you change it for what? To mess up null sec and wormhole mining. CCP has effectively removed a layer of protection that minera had without compensating for that loss.
EVE might be an PVP game, but where do you get your PVP ships from? Miners and indy players. EVE is suppose to be an sandbox game... I chose to do things on my own, I choose not to PVP (unless you put your ass in my wormhole). I choose to be an indy player. Why CCP are you again discriminating against indy players?
I love EVE and have already kinda found a work around that will hopefully work for me. Im not leaving the game. Im just disappointed. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
315
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:50:00 -
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Yeah its pretty lame right now, perhaps there is some grand purpose for this change that will come about in the coming weeks/months.
Only thing this change did for me is make haul more isotopes around space.
Yay for more cyno alt moving \o/......... Not today spaghetti. |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
373
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:55:00 -
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Man I've seen nothing but unused and empty ice belts all day.
Low-sec owns. |
handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:55:00 -
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Red DragonZA wrote:I am not against the change, but I have concerns. I work full-time and when I come home, I like to relax with some ice mining. Now I have to sit and wait for a belt... some night no belt till after I have to go to bed. The respawn time is far to long. I am yet to find a ice belt in highsec
You could just travel to a new system with an Icebelt and check if it's up. Baddest poster ever |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
653
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:58:00 -
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Steijn wrote:
probably, but people unsubbing is not good for the game in the long run, thats my point.
Unsubbing because they got addicted to a zero-effort way of affording their PLEX every month, instead of adapting and finding a variety of revenue streams.
Defeated by their own short-sightedness, but I guess that's "society's fault".
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
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Red DragonZA
Indomitus Draco Rufus
2
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:00:00 -
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handige harrie wrote:Red DragonZA wrote:I am not against the change, but I have concerns. I work full-time and when I come home, I like to relax with some ice mining. Now I have to sit and wait for a belt... some night no belt till after I have to go to bed. The respawn time is far to long. I am yet to find a ice belt in highsec You could just travel to a new system with an Icebelt and check if it's up.
Done and dusted... nada nothing
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MadMuppet
Three Fish In A Box
890
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:02:00 -
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Red DragonZA wrote:I am not against the change, but I have concerns. I work full-time and when I come home, I like to relax with some ice mining. Now I have to sit and wait for a belt... some night no belt till after I have to go to bed. The respawn time is far to long. I am yet to find a ice belt in highsec This new system is good for messing up bot miners, until the find a work around.
It has turned ice mining in to a bit of a lottery. Now we need to wait for the 4 hour window to end so we can rush the anom when it respawns. I would really prefer a different mechanic than this new one of staring at a clock, even if it meant only finding a couple dozen blocks somewhere in a mini-anomoly, at least I would have a chance of finding something.
I mine in EVE because I'm too drunk to fish in WoW.-á |
Red DragonZA
Indomitus Draco Rufus
2
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:05:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:Red DragonZA wrote:I am not against the change, but I have concerns. I work full-time and when I come home, I like to relax with some ice mining. Now I have to sit and wait for a belt... some night no belt till after I have to go to bed. The respawn time is far to long. I am yet to find a ice belt in highsec This new system is good for messing up bot miners, until the find a work around. It has turned ice mining in to a bit of a lottery. Now we need to wait for the 4 hour window to end so we can rush the anom when it respawns. I would really prefer a different mechanic than this new one of staring at a clock, even if it meant only finding a couple dozen blocks somewhere in a mini-anomoly, at least I would have a chance of finding something.
Amen! |
Alatari Yassavi
Skyfire Enterprises
27
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:07:00 -
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Monotaru Terrakin wrote:I am going to quit because of the Ice mining changes, and no you CAN'T have my stuff.
Ugh, it is people like this jerk-off that give miners a bad name. Going AFK for hours while he fills his hull... disgusted. Quit your bitching and fly! |
Nevryn Takis
University of Caille Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:10:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Steijn wrote:
probably, but people unsubbing is not good for the game in the long run, thats my point.
Unsubbing because they got addicted to a zero-effort way of affording their PLEX every month, instead of adapting and finding a variety of revenue streams. Defeated by their own short-sightedness, but I guess that's "society's fault".
Nope .. I pay for my game time every month.. Like other posters I have RL commitments and play when I can .. With these change it pretty much means I can't now mine ice even if I choose to because the belts just aren't there when I get time to play. This change effectively removes a playstyle choice consistant with my RL commitments... so why shouldn't I un-sub my two accounts? Nothing in the last 2 releases has doen anything to make me want to stay...in fact just the opposite |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1868
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:12:00 -
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handige harrie wrote:Red DragonZA wrote:I am not against the change, but I have concerns. I work full-time and when I come home, I like to relax with some ice mining. Now I have to sit and wait for a belt... some night no belt till after I have to go to bed. The respawn time is far to long. I am yet to find a ice belt in highsec You could just travel to a new system with an Icebelt and check if it's up. Or melt rocks, instead. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Red DragonZA
Indomitus Draco Rufus
2
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:17:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:handige harrie wrote:Red DragonZA wrote:I am not against the change, but I have concerns. I work full-time and when I come home, I like to relax with some ice mining. Now I have to sit and wait for a belt... some night no belt till after I have to go to bed. The respawn time is far to long. I am yet to find a ice belt in highsec You could just travel to a new system with an Icebelt and check if it's up. Or melt rocks, instead.
I do that anyway... but that is not the point. I enjoy ice mining and now I can't ice mine.
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Tribal Band
688
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:23:00 -
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So before Odyssey there were 125ish hisec ice fields
Now there are 125ish systems with anomalies instead ??
I don't see the problem ....
If CCP had said 'There shalt be no more Hi Sec Ice' I could understand the crying and tantrum throwing But it's still there, only it's presentation has changed. |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
373
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:24:00 -
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Red DragonZA wrote:silens vesica wrote:handige harrie wrote:Red DragonZA wrote:I am not against the change, but I have concerns. I work full-time and when I come home, I like to relax with some ice mining. Now I have to sit and wait for a belt... some night no belt till after I have to go to bed. The respawn time is far to long. I am yet to find a ice belt in highsec You could just travel to a new system with an Icebelt and check if it's up. Or melt rocks, instead. I do that anyway... but that is not the point. I enjoy ice mining and now I can't ice mine.
to quote my favourite movie of all time
bs a hole no one likes the tuna here
why dont you try fatburger from now on you can get a burger and fries for 2.99 fgt |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
710
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:41:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Steijn wrote:The main problem I see with these ice changes is that your going to push up the cost of running a POS. This will undoubtably lead to accounts been unsubbed due to the numerous research alts who will be pushed inactive. I know its not possible to say with any conviction what prices will settle at, but it doesnt look healthy to me and i can see the amount of subs suffering because of it. I know 1 of my accounts will be left to expire if it does become too costly tro run the slots. This doesnt mean im against the changes, I just feel that this initial change has gone a wee bit too far. Good, I hope there are less pointless POS floating around. Especially in highsec. unless CCP implements dying of unused POSes nothing will change actually |
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Power Armor
Omega Boost
2
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:05:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:So before Odyssey there were 125ish hisec ice fields
Now there are 125ish systems with anomalies instead ??
I don't see the problem ....
If CCP had said 'There shalt be no more Hi Sec Ice' I could understand the crying and tantrum throwing But it's still there, only it's presentation has changed.
The problem is as follows:
Look there is an ice belt on the scanner! Fast lets warp into it to mine some!
Upon arrival you lock an ice roid, start mining and *BAM* the field is gone!
It only lasts for about 20-30 minutes on average. There is just not enough ice in it.
If you plan to do ice mining in the evening, well....go figure...you play 20 minutes if you are lucky and then wait 4 hours until your evening is over.
This will cost many subscriptions.
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Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
373
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:12:00 -
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The thing is Ice belts still spawn in the same god damn systems as they did before Odyssey so everyone is sat around in the same system fighting over the same ice belts except it's spaced out to every 4 hours now instead of all day.
Make ice belts pop up all over eve and more in low sec.
Make them move around to get the ore but don't make them wait for it. |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
510
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:27:00 -
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Goodbye OP! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out! *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |
alyni
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.07.21 18:03:00 -
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not all who are unhappy with the changes to Ice mining are botters. I only get a chance to log on to ice mine periodically and only for short times(couple of hours) since the changes I've yet to get on when there is ice available to mine. ATM, I feel as though I spent all those months learning those skills and spending all that isk on skills/ships/equipment as a total waste now. I have all those skills and such sitting and not able to use them. I do have the skills now to fly lvl 3 and some of the lvl 4 missions, but this isn't what I always want to do when I log in. It's why I first trained to be able to do ice mining. It's one of my ways to relax after work without having to pay super close attention to what I'm doing. I can understand them making this change due to botting, but this has hurt more than just those targeted imo. Yes i can still mine other roids in hulk, but that's not what I aimed all my skill training for. My trainings in combat were not for my playing fulltime but for the everyone once and awhile joining in with a few friends. |
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