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Kipkruide
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Posted - 2003.07.31 12:24:00 -
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read the subject this is what we need, sitting there moving ore for hours because my hold's full every 45 secs is a waste of time and i can see no way why this tediousness should be considered fun. so i hope dev's have a way of implementing this
greetz kip..
p.s. should have been doen in beta :)... irritated me then too....
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Alderon Maxwing
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Posted - 2003.07.31 12:28:00 -
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Let me get this straight ... you want to take stuff out of space and then have it automatically thrown away?
Just leave the damn thing where it is, then.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.07.31 12:40:00 -
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No, this will not be done :)
Want to make combat automatical too? :P
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Kipkruide
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Posted - 2003.07.31 14:32:00 -
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combat is already automatic, click on laser keeps firing doesn't it.. would you wanna click for every shot with 8 lasers.. i think not..
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Kaito'Li
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Posted - 2003.08.01 11:27:00 -
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But what happens when you run out of Ammo? Does it automatically reload?
NO.
What happens when you run out of cap? Does it automatically start firing your guns after cap is replenished?
NO.
What happens when you kill your current target? Does it automatically target the next pirate and open up with the 250's?
NO.
So combat isn't really thaaaat automatic.
Stop being so lazy and actually sit for more than 10 minutes at the screen will you. Confucius he say, "Bugger this, I'm off for a beer" |
Toom Tabard
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Posted - 2003.08.01 13:48:00 -
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Let me just translate the original post so everyone is clear what is needed here.
I want to afk mine all night while I sleep and not have my stupid cargo hold fill up. Wouldn't it be better for the game if my ore could just be automatically transferred to the station. I am tired of having to go get my indy to load up ore and take extra trips to the station, it is a complete waste of my time.
In fact, the game should have been designed so once ore enters my hold it should auto-refine and show up in the hangar of my choice.
I played in beta, so obviously I'm l337, so the game should have been designed the way I wanted it, not like some stupid Icelanders thought it should be.
*sarcasm off*
Seriously though, troll much?
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Sarf
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Posted - 2003.08.01 15:45:00 -
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ok seriously this is a problem guys.
I mine with a Thorax and a Bestower working from 2 accounts. As it is now i have 9 harvesters and 5 Cu miners working non stop.
I can hardly keep up with the ore that is mined!
Now when they fix the mineing drone skill I will have 20% more ore from the drones and will have a 10th drone by them. The ore will come in faster than I can physicaly move it out of the hold. This will cause lasers and drones to stop mineing which will quickly become very frustrating.
If you don't want a to have a auto transfer of ore. then how about makeing it so we can send the ore directly to a Gang members hold. The we could mine directly into a Indy.
As for the combat argument, when you run out of ammo or cap you stop fireing. when a roid is used up we stop mining. only difference is you don't have sit there moving ammo into your gun every 30 seconds. where we have to move ore out of our hold every 30 seconds.
Mine is a mind numing task no mater how you look at it. AFK mineing is just the least painfull way to do it. Having a ability to dump directly to a container in space or a indy still has the limiting factor that you need to switch roids regularly because they go away.
so how about some serious discusion about it and no the derogitory postings...
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Jojin
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Posted - 2003.08.01 16:15:00 -
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This is a tough issue as everyone will have a biased opinion.
I know the frustration of having a cargo hold overflow because there was a delay in the drag and drop. This normally forces a player to have to restart the mining lasers and ensure the correct item is targeted. The hard part is when it involves the mining drones. There is no indicator as to what the mining drone is currently doing, so when you receive a notice about the cargo being full, it is not possible to tell if this deactivated the drones or not.
I also believe because it is a money making task, it should require the player to take an active role in the procedure. To allow the process to be automated for long periods would have an unbalancing effect, because the other methods of making money do require interaction (fighting, trade routes, etc).
Lastly, there is the thought this is the way it is setup deal with it. If one would desire to have less interaction with manipulation of cargo, then get a vessel with a bigger hold. If one would desire to have faster returns, then get a vessel with more turrets and drone capacity.
Keeping these main issues and a few others in mind, the only type of change would be one to lessen the tedious method of performing a task. For instance to deal with the pain of attempting to drag and drop, if auto-transfer was allowed then each transfer should disable the mining lasers. This would make the process easier to do (press F1, F2, F3), but still require the user to be available. Another alternative would be to make a short-cut for transferring cargo, to eliminate the need for dragging and dropping.
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Sarf
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Posted - 2003.08.01 16:27:00 -
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good point but you forget that the only place to do afk mineing is 1.0 systems. And in these systems the roids hardly ever have more than about 10k-15k or ore in them. This is less than a cargo hold load for a bestower.
That means at min every 15 min the player will have to change targets, restart the drones and mineing lasers.
If they are part of a corp mineing raid then there will most likly be more than 1 ship working on a roid. which makes the interaction even more offen.
If you are in a lower sec system you won't be mineing the 50k omber rock because there is probably be a beter ore near by that is in the 10k-15k range.
I don't think this is going to make maineing a hands off task in anyway. All it will do is reduce the agervation of it.
I like the alternitive of setting up a hot key to move ore from one container to another.
Here is another sugestion how about the auto cargo move has to move to a container withing 1.5km and will clear when you change targets.
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Ywev
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Posted - 2003.08.01 16:44:00 -
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Lets make it so ya can afk mine even better!
Pod ya later.. Ywev
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Sarf
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Posted - 2003.08.01 17:11:00 -
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Quote: Lets make it so ya can afk mine even better!
This will not make it so you can AFK mine better. If a person wants to AFK mine then get a indy, and a single laser and go mine for 4 hours strait.
I have done it. it is a great task to be doing while at work, doing my normal job.
What we want is to not get carpel-tunnel syndrom (sp!) from mineing. as it is useing a Bestower and a Thorax we have to move ore from our hold to a container every 30 seconds. and then pick it up with the bestower every 15min.
It is only going to get worse when astro and the mineing drone skills are fixed/implmented. It will soon be to the point that you will not be able to drag and drop your ore fast enought to keep your hold from filling up.
this is very boring and useless work. It also prevents you from chating with your corp mates as you always have to be moveing ore out of your hold.
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FireLord
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Posted - 2003.08.01 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: FireLord on 01/08/2003 21:08:29 Ok here's a constructive reply, something certain people seem too bitter and twisted to manage.
Autojetissoning of ore is NOT a good idea and should not be implemented, sorry but i dont think you SHOULD be able to afk mine at all. I agree, however, something needs to be done to make it easier to manually move the ore from your hold, the clunkyness of the interface in this respect, and the bugs regarding container handling, need a way of being sorted. I consider myself neutral in this matter as i am certainly no miner, nor am I a disgruntled pirate with an axe to grind, but i do have corpmates that do mine, and the issue does need fixing at high levels of mining capability. I don't mean you should be able to jetisson your entire cargohold to one pod with one keypress or anything, but the necessity of constantly dragging and dropping ore is something that needs addressing
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Arondos
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Posted - 2003.08.01 22:20:00 -
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Yeah they need to make it easier to chuck ore out into cans so we can have more posts whining about ore thieves.
Life isn't fair and neither is Eve. Get over it. |
Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.08.02 12:04:00 -
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Quote: ok seriously this is a problem guys.
I mine with a Thorax and a Bestower working from 2 accounts. As it is now i have 9 harvesters and 5 Cu miners working non stop.
.....so how about some serious discusion about it and no the derogitory postings...
You're right, this is a serious problem. There is simply no way that you should be able to drop-mine, it makes too many people too rich too fast. You shouldn't be able to add things *into* a jettisoned container .. only take out what was already there.
If you want a ship that can fit 287 mining lasers, well, there won't be any space for a cargo hold to put the ore in ... you want a ship that can hold 496,000m3 of ore, well, there won't be room for a mining laser. Too bad. Do it the hard way.
_______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age." |
Lord Terror
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Posted - 2003.08.02 12:18:00 -
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I agree and disagree here...
a sollution could be an Extra skill
which enabels to move ores from your lasers directly to a waiting Industrial.
(so ores do not go to your cargo hold but straight into the industrial cargo hold)
Also remove the gun turret from the industrial. This would save a lot of bandwith on the servers with all those people mining overnight or while away school/ work. As protection add a missile bay a powerfull one.
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Ebo Laah
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Posted - 2003.08.02 13:55:00 -
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What we need is a system where you don't actually play the game, you just click a single button and everything happens automatically.
This game is far too realistic with you actually having to think, plan, interact, and work hard to advance 'financially' and 'personally', and something needs to change NOW!
It is ridiculous that CCP actually want us to play the game ourselves and these so-called games-developers should be shot at dawn.
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