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Elaron
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Posted - 2005.09.30 01:28:00 -
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Using alt characters for a suicide ganking in high-sec space, then recycling the alt for one with a shiny new spotless reputation, is a prime example of undesirable metagaming. Unfortunately, the only way to make the in-game penalties for aggressive behaviour in high-security systems stick is to apply them in a metagame manner. EVE is meant to be a game of accepting the consequences for actions taken but, all too often, suicide alts are used as a means to duck those consequences.
Here are a few ideas I've had to try and force players to accept the consequences of their actions. I've limited the ideas to just one account held by a player which will not stop some of the more, ahem, creative uses of trial accounts, but will at least hopefully give players some pause for thought. I also would say that these would be "either / or" options.
1) Negative security status adjustments incurred by any character on an account are reflected on all characters on that account. Would probably be the easiest to implement, but probably also the most restrictive.
2) At point of recycling a character with negative security standing, a security standing hit proportionate to the amount of negative standing, but inversely proportionate to the time since the last standing hit that character had, would be applied to the other two characters on the account. That is, recycling a -10 character would result in a large standing hit to the other characters, unless the character to be recycled had not had a negative standing adjustment for a long time.
3) Security standing belongs to a character slot, not whatever character just happens to be occupying it. IE, Fred creates a toon to nuke a few haulers in hi-sec space and ends up with a -3 rating. Fred then recycles the toon, and creates a new one. Fred's new toon also has a -3 rating.
4) Less harsh than (3): new characters created on an account start with either the average security standing of all characters played on the account, or 0, whichever is lower.
5) Allow players who suspect they are the victim of a suicide alt gank to petition requesting that the account of the attacking character receives a flag. If the responding GM agrees that the character was probably made just for suicide ganking and sets the flag, recycling of that character on the flagged account would be reported automatically to the GMs, who can then decide whether or not to apply in-game penalties to the main character (which for the sake of argument I will define as the character with the highest skill points adjusted by relative amount of recent playtime). The downside to this is that it will take a significant amount of GM time, and will rely on fallible Human judgement.
Obviously, some of these ideas are harsher and more restrictive than others, especially with respect to limiting an accounts usage of legitimate alts. However, multiple characters per account is a privilage, and we all know that when privilages are abused they get either restricted or removed.
Thoughts?
Elaron
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.09.30 03:23:00 -
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2 Sounds feasible.
It recognises that even though a character may have been -10 - it could have been "legit" for a period of time.
I dislike 5 because of the GM intervention.
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Binary Mind
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Posted - 2005.09.30 08:37:00 -
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well, I don't like any of those ideas (sorry, just my thoughts)
Some have an industrial and a pirate character on the same account, why punish the industrial for action the pirate did.
and I think your idea would lead to a massive trial account abuse, just get an email somewhere send yourself a mail, and suicide as much as you want without worrying about your main.
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Sanaen Eydanwadh
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Posted - 2005.09.30 08:52:00 -
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2 or 3 would seem good for me. But I'm quite biased, and I guess anything penalizing the use of alts, in any way (carebear alts for pvpers, scouting alts, suicide alts, anything but "let's make some tests with character creation before choosing my real character"-alts) would make me happy A list in all character's infos showing names and status of all his alts (or even, let's dream, all his secondary accounts) would really make my day.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2005.09.30 09:22:00 -
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As far as I remember using disposable suicide alts is not allowed and considered bug abuse (Im talking about repetedly recycling the alt to get out of the neg sec).
The problem naturally is that its very hard for a player to spot such a char as the lifetime of such chars is very low, moreover many people use trial accounts to do this.
Most of your ideas would fall on the simple issue that a person using a 14 day trial to gank would not care if the trial account got a -10 permanent rating on each and every char slot as the entire account is simply recycled.
In reality the problem is with the players not being able to resist misusing the game.
We have seen the same thing happen time and time again and the most pathetic thing about the whole thing is that people have whinined carebear each and every time CCP has been forced by a small group of gankers to change the game (concord gank squads, gate guns...)
The solution, Im not sure there is a good one, personally I think it would be very sad if the 14 day trial accounts were to be removed, I have given out a coupple to friends and have enjoyed seeing them ingame but if this issue is to be resolved the I suspect the first order of the day would be to drop them. After that your Ideas could work.
The ganker will however always find a way to gank and most measures to block their abuses sadly result in large effects on the rest of the comunity.
------------ 20. Is it true all pvpers have carebear alts? Yes, of course. I have so much fun looking up who's alt is who's
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TheDark Wanderer
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Posted - 2005.09.30 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: TheDark Wanderer on 30/09/2005 11:28:28 i love using two acounts i have one subscription and one trail open atm. i have two alts on the subscription and one on the trail. The trail is used to test out the best way to start a new character as im considering a second subscription. It is sad that the privelege such as alt's is abused but then again the ore thief protection will get abused too. i can see stealth bombers droping a can in empire and waiting for some-one to touch it. vola a free empire kill.
To sum it up someone will always play-up and wreck the game for the 95% of players who dont tread the fine line.
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Afonso Henriques
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Posted - 2005.09.30 11:41:00 -
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Im all for option 1)
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.09.30 17:25:00 -
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I think recyling alts is and exploit, report it.
----------------------------------------------- Admiral of King Frieza's Super Saiyan fleet.
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Batar Fireheart
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Posted - 2005.09.30 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: Batar Fireheart on 30/09/2005 22:05:59 how about no no no no and no Not that i condone such behavior, but you cant stop one from doing what they want with their alts. so just deal with it. just like you they pay good money to play this game.. the only option would be to restrict every one's account to one character and i dont foresee that happening. do you?
"MAY YOUR WALLET BE FULL OF ISK AND YOUR CANNONS BLESSED"
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Civ Zomas
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Posted - 2005.09.30 22:22:00 -
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* Disable termination of negative security characters.
* Flag trial accounts with neg-sec characters. Data mine for those players' main accounts by IP address, isk transfer etc. and ban them under the exploit rules.
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TheDark Wanderer
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Posted - 2005.09.30 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Civ Zomas * Disable termination of negative security characters.
* Flag trial accounts with neg-sec characters. Data mine for those players' main accounts by IP address, isk transfer etc. and ban them under the exploit rules.
im all for disabling neg alts deletion. but i think data miners would be streching the rules to far . what about people like me who use legit alt's we get the short end of the stick once again. happens everywhere.
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Civ Zomas
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Posted - 2005.09.30 23:44:00 -
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Only trial accounts get flagged. Only full account holders found to be using a trial account to exploit get the banstick. I don't see the problem...
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Derron Bel
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Posted - 2005.10.01 01:24:00 -
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The easy solution here is to haxor Something Awful.
-==- Holy-Jim> as you know, surprise is the key to victory.....surprise! LooseCannoN> ahh! LooseCannoN> my plans have been foiled! |
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