Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 1 post(s) |
Mithril Ryder
Genstar Inc Villore Accords
22
|
Posted - 2013.04.30 21:32:00 -
[31] - Quote
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:Skorpynekomimi wrote:Because they're normalising after a series of huge rises. If you didn't go to Fanfest this year and attend Dr Eyjo the CCP economist for EVE talk on the economy of New Eden over the past decade I suggest you look it up on the youtube page. In short Dr Eyjo explained and proved to us all that prices have stayed fairly steady across the board and that the current prices, including mineral prices, are not high or inflated at all. Slavery is freedom, war is peace. Yes, I've heard that speech before. |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
313
|
Posted - 2013.04.30 22:22:00 -
[32] - Quote
Silitia Dais wrote:Why are the prices dropping like fly?
I understand odyssey is coming but why would the prices now?
Prices are dropping because everyone is trying to unload trit before it drops any lower.
From my estimates comparing the amount of Zyd on the market over a series of days (prior to fanfest) and assuming 90% of zyd is from mining, just from the trit increased to Arkonor we will have an additional 5% of trit from current mining trends.
Keep in mind this only accounts for the zyd on the market at the time. It doesn't even count the amount of zyd sold though the day, or zyd mined and used in manufacturing. A safe assumption will be an increase of at minimum 10% of trit now magically being produced, but I would speculate it is closer to 15%.
So this means once the patch hits (and everyone refines their ores they have been mining the last two weeks, because the mined ores will be updated with the new values) there will be a huge flood of trit (and pye) and prices of trit and pye are going to fall.
From my figures with these changes CCP is trying to change where minerals come from to be split across null/wh, low and highsec to be 50% null/wh, 25% lowsec, 25% highsec (which wont happen, it wil be more like 65% null/wh 5% lowsec, 30% highsec) compared to what they have been which is more like 55% highsec, 5% lowsec 40% null/wh |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
313
|
Posted - 2013.04.30 22:35:00 -
[33] - Quote
Zedutchman wrote:I'm unconvinced about Ice pricing rising...
Considering they are increasing collection speed to 2x.
Although the prices will increase because people think they will increase. Which is why player driven markers are fundamentally flawed to speculation. You only have to convice people a market swing will happen and it become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
1) players with massive mining fleets of alts will no longer be able to mine hours non-stopped (there are people with 50+ fleets, some with 100+). These players will now at maximum be able to mine 1 hour in an ice belt with a 4 hour wait in between before having to move the fleet to a new system/belt that hasn't allready been minded.
2) Like above bots will no longer be able to mine all day, every day and will be limited to only a few hours each day.
3) Because there is less ice flooding the market prices will go up. fewer people driving the prices down to sell ice products faster means higher prices. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3289
|
Posted - 2013.04.30 23:40:00 -
[34] - Quote
Bugsy VanHalen wrote: Assuming 20% or the current ice is not mined in null already.I believe the current ICE supply is closer to 70/30 than 80/20. If so the supply will be fine.
Personally I believe that more than 20% of the current ICE available is mined in null sec now, so the fact that the supply in high sec will only meet 80% of the demand will not be a problem. Considering the demand for ICE in high sec is far less than 80% of the overall demand. In fact I believe it is probably the other way around, I think 80% of the ICE products used in game are used in null sec.
You're off by a factor of 10.
CCP Fozzie wrote:Currently 98.4% of all isotope ice is mined in highsec.
While highsec uses less than 15% of the isotopes in EVE. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2955377#post2955377
1.6% of Ice is mined in LS/Null. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
559
|
Posted - 2013.05.01 00:24:00 -
[35] - Quote
Some people tend to forget that FUEL BLOCKS aren't the only use for isotopes in Low and Null.
As I somehow doubt every single block of ice will be mined on any given day, and that there are any number of ways to disrupt that supply -- 20% should be considered a very optimistic number. I give it more like 25% to account for things like unmined ice, ganked freighters full of isotopes, and other forms of "interdiction".
The curious may have read a certain blog that expects isotopes are headed well above the 1000 ISK/ unit level. Bet on it, even after a few inevitable swings in price.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Tribal Band
312
|
Posted - 2013.05.01 00:33:00 -
[36] - Quote
Here is the tl;dr:
OMFG! THE SKY IS FALLING! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL!
/thread "How do you kill that which has no life?" |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
67
|
Posted - 2013.05.01 03:46:00 -
[37] - Quote
I remember when Trit was 3.25, how old am I lol. Check out my post about some Drone lovin: Proposed Drone Improvement |
Danni stark
49
|
Posted - 2013.05.01 06:02:00 -
[38] - Quote
DeLindsay wrote:I remember when Trit was 3.25, how old am I lol.
that was only about a year ago. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Gnoshia
Section 8. Fatal Ascension
41
|
Posted - 2013.05.01 07:24:00 -
[39] - Quote
Zedutchman wrote:I'm unconvinced about Ice pricing rising...
Considering they are increasing collection speed to 2x.
Although the prices will increase because people think they will increase. Which is why player driven markers are fundamentally flawed to speculation. You only have to convice people a market swing will happen and it become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
80% of all the ice needed for everything and everyone in the game to function will come from high sec. This means the other 20% will come from low and null meaning that price on ice will certainly rise. If no one in null is mining ice, then you bet your balls null ice will go waaaaaaaaay up in value reaaaal quick like. |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
68
|
Posted - 2013.05.01 07:30:00 -
[40] - Quote
Danni stark wrote:DeLindsay wrote:I remember when Trit was 3.25, how old am I lol. that was only about a year ago.
And 5+ years ago so it's fair to say it'll be there again in the future.
Check out my post about some Drone lovin: Proposed Drone Improvement |
|
Danni stark
66
|
Posted - 2013.05.01 10:26:00 -
[41] - Quote
DeLindsay wrote:Danni stark wrote:DeLindsay wrote:I remember when Trit was 3.25, how old am I lol. that was only about a year ago. And 5+ years ago so it's fair to say it'll be there again in the future.
no it isn't, considering the mineral faucet known as drone poop ain't coming back. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
586
|
Posted - 2013.05.01 13:36:00 -
[42] - Quote
Ginger Barbarella wrote:I'm honestly curious to see whether the bufff to null ores will actually satiate the alleged demand of nullies crying about having to import minerals from high, or whether it'll actually have virtually zero impact. I suspect the latter... Even the nullies take advantage of the SAFETY of high sec when they can, and I find it dubious that the buff to the ores will have any realistic impact on them at all. It's still easier to buy the crap than expand operations to include non-pvp'ers to mine in their blue space.
I'm more than willing to admit it when I'm wrong, but I'll personally be watching this closely this summer to see if the nullie whining actually goes away (buff = solution to their problem) or just shifts to something else (typical nullies whining on Forums with no real problems). Null secers will still have to import low ends to build capitals and supers. The supply will not be near large enough for that. But it may be enough to sustain the few null sec industrialists that will be building the subcap ships. You should not have to import constructed battleships, but they can be built locally.
Currently there is a significant null sec industry. There are many players that already mine out in null. Where do you think the supply of high end minerals comes from. The number is just very small when compared to high sec. This buff to null sec industry will make the current null sec industrialist path much more rewarding, and make it easier for those who want to move to null, but did not as they can make more isk staying in high sec.
I do believe that moving the hidden belts from grav sites that need to be scanned down with probes, to anomalies that can be found with on board ship scanners was a huge mistake. The safety offered by the hidden belts was due to potential attackers having to scan you down before they can attack. This required them to gimp there fit by dedicating one of there high slots to a probe launcher. Very few roaming PVPers do this, making null sec grav sites fairly safe to mine in.
You never see a miner in a static belt in null sec, not just because the static belts generally do not have A,B,C, ores but because it is not safe enough to mine them. Now the hidden belts are almost as insecure as the static belts. This will hurt null sec mining far more than any benefit gained by the ore composition buffs. |
Zedutchman
Bluewater Industries Gold Star Alliance
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.01 14:21:00 -
[43] - Quote
Yeah, I can see rare ore prices going up A LOT. I think honestly the addition of low-end minerals may be the lesser reason. This is going to increase the danger of mining in null and W-space a lot. People are going to be losing ships left and right, or they are going to spend a lot of time hiding.
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |