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Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.01 05:53:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:People need to listen, ice will soon have its supply cut and mining income will soon be crap. So everyone that owns a high-sec research POS should by there stocks now before prices go even higher. Oh and of course I might like a few more plex
price of ice goes up, mining becomes crap...
yeah not sure that works, but ok. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.05.01 06:03:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:Frying Doom wrote:People need to listen, ice will soon have its supply cut and mining income will soon be crap. So everyone that owns a high-sec research POS should by there stocks now before prices go even higher. Oh and of course I might like a few more plex price of ice goes up, mining becomes crap... yeah not sure that works, but ok. The price of Ice is going up, and if you had not noticed high sec is about to lose a massive amount of sales, of ore to its largest customer. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Danni stark
49
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Posted - 2013.05.01 06:09:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Danni stark wrote:Frying Doom wrote:People need to listen, ice will soon have its supply cut and mining income will soon be crap. So everyone that owns a high-sec research POS should by there stocks now before prices go even higher. Oh and of course I might like a few more plex price of ice goes up, mining becomes crap... yeah not sure that works, but ok. The price of Ice is going up, and if you had not noticed high sec is about to lose a massive amount of sales, of ore to its largest customer.
it's not going to lose massive amounts of ore at all, not unless there's a flood of miners running to null sec, which i doubt.
nocxium isn't having any extra supply added to it, which makes up a large proportion of pyro's content. based on the mineral prices that mynnna predicted in his tmc article pyro will still be worth ~26-27m per hour. considering scordite wasn't that much higher in isk/hour i honestly don't think "the end is nigh!" in the slightest.
but hey, it's more fun to claim it is than do maths, right? :D Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9032
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Posted - 2013.05.01 06:12:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Danni stark wrote:Frying Doom wrote:People need to listen, ice will soon have its supply cut and mining income will soon be crap. So everyone that owns a high-sec research POS should by there stocks now before prices go even higher. Oh and of course I might like a few more plex price of ice goes up, mining becomes crap... yeah not sure that works, but ok. The price of Ice is going up, and if you had not noticed high sec is about to lose a massive amount of sales, of ore to its largest customer.
If by "massive" you mean "about 2-3%" yes, I suppose it is.
Must you sensationalise evrything? It really does damage the discourse.
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9032
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Posted - 2013.05.01 06:14:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:People need to listen, ice will soon have its supply cut and mining income will soon be crap.
If by "crap" you means "shoot up to 40M/hr", yes.
Must you get everything wrong? Ice miners will make the same ISK in half the time or less. Thus at worst freeing them up to mine ore or conduct other activities.
Or is this propoganda designed to trick people into abandoning the profession so that YOUR ice mining alt can make more ISK...?
1 Kings 12:11
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Danni stark
49
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Posted - 2013.05.01 06:23:00 -
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25m/hour on ore * 80% of your time. 40m/hour on ice * 20% of your time. that's an average of 32m/hour, that's better than scordite's current ~30m/hour.
so let's see, these changes give high sec miners, at best, an extra 2 mil/hour, and at worst, 5m/hr less. however this small insignificant change stops null sec mining being a total joke, and facilitate more industry activity in null sec.
what have ccp done?t his is horirble, i mean, good changes should be banned. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
594
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Posted - 2013.05.01 06:37:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:None ofthe Above wrote: The change in the mechanic makes a bit of sense to me, but this part about only spawning enough in high sec to meet 80% of high sec's demand has left me scratching my shiny head.
You're reading it wrong. Highsec will only spawn enough ice to meet 80% of the whole universe's demand. It will spawn roughly 800% of what it needs to meet Highsec's demand. Just for funsies, currently what percentage of the universe's ice consumption is sourced from high sec? Currently 98.4% of all isotope ice is mined in highsec. While highsec uses less than 15% of the isotopes in EVE.
Even when presented with facts, themepark carebears cry. I guess it time to just ignore them since they don't understand something as simple as game balance.
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
594
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Posted - 2013.05.01 06:42:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Prices will double again, perhaps tripple when the patch hits.
Fun times.
It's excellent, Ice will be like Oil, a scarce resource. I think i will help with the power projection problem, it going to be expensive to move cap fleet's around. |
Gulboy
Uncharted Frontiers Severasse Militarized Mining Union
10
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Posted - 2013.05.01 07:44:00 -
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STOCKPILE EVERYTHING!!!! I won't be refining my arkonor for now for example. |
Cryten Jones
Advantage Inc The Matari Consortium
101
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Posted - 2013.05.01 07:48:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:None ofthe Above wrote: The change in the mechanic makes a bit of sense to me, but this part about only spawning enough in high sec to meet 80% of high sec's demand has left me scratching my shiny head.
You're reading it wrong. Highsec will only spawn enough ice to meet 80% of the whole universe's demand. It will spawn roughly 800% of what it needs to meet Highsec's demand. Just for funsies, currently what percentage of the universe's ice consumption is sourced from high sec? Currently 98.4% of all isotope ice is mined in highsec. While highsec uses less than 15% of the isotopes in EVE.
With the move to sites does this mean that there is a % chance of ice belts spawning in Wormholes? And before all the "makes it too easy" comments, not sure that random ice types, massive hauling or crap refining (if you can even do that at a mobile array..humm) constitutes as easy.
Thanks
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.05.01 08:15:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Danni stark wrote:Frying Doom wrote:People need to listen, ice will soon have its supply cut and mining income will soon be crap. So everyone that owns a high-sec research POS should by there stocks now before prices go even higher. Oh and of course I might like a few more plex price of ice goes up, mining becomes crap... yeah not sure that works, but ok. The price of Ice is going up, and if you had not noticed high sec is about to lose a massive amount of sales, of ore to its largest customer. If by "massive" you mean "about 2-3%" yes, I suppose it is. Must you sensationalise evrything? It really does damage the discourse. So you mean you believe Nulls demand for Trit alone does not make up more than 2-3%
And yes when I am trying to get my self more isk, scare mongering is good. Duh. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Marcus Gord
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
6542
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Posted - 2013.05.01 08:34:00 -
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Not seen anyone else post this yet
The price of Ice is too damn high!
Ed: direct link \o/ You can't take the sky from me |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
485
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Posted - 2013.05.01 08:59:00 -
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My stash of pos fuel has doubled in value.
And if you are on the downside of this, maybe you shouldn't play eve?
Eve is harsh, if you're stupid you'll have to pay more. CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP (aka Judge) Peligro: I will find your main.
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Ultim8Evil
Stargate SG-1 Fatal Ascension
21
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Posted - 2013.05.01 10:15:00 -
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Amarr Citizen65821 wrote:What gives CCP?!!!
Ice has more than doubled in the past week.
If this travesty keep up I will have to tear down all my WH POS becauyse I cannot aford it!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9036
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Posted - 2013.05.01 10:18:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Malcanis wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Danni stark wrote:Frying Doom wrote:People need to listen, ice will soon have its supply cut and mining income will soon be crap. So everyone that owns a high-sec research POS should by there stocks now before prices go even higher. Oh and of course I might like a few more plex price of ice goes up, mining becomes crap... yeah not sure that works, but ok. The price of Ice is going up, and if you had not noticed high sec is about to lose a massive amount of sales, of ore to its largest customer. If by "massive" you mean "about 2-3%" yes, I suppose it is. Must you sensationalise evrything? It really does damage the discourse. So you mean you believe Nulls demand for Trit alone does not make up more than 2-3% And yes when I am trying to get my self more isk, scare mongering is good. Duh.
No, I mean that null is going from producing >1% of the trit it needs to use up all the high ends produced, to producing 2-3% of the trit it needs to use up all the high ends it produces.
If hi-sec was exporting 10 billion units of trit a week, then after the patch it'll be exporting about 9.7 billion units a week.
1 Kings 12:11
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Nagarythe Tinurandir
Tormented of Destiny Cha Ching PLC
122
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Posted - 2013.05.01 10:39:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote: I don't know if that is how its going to be. I mean think about it. Would you sit around waiting several hours for a resource to spawn?
I would go do something else. But I'm not a bot. If actual players in highsec are doing nothing while waiting for ice anoms, then they are as dumb as a bot. They can go mine ore, or do missions, or do some hauling, or play the markets, or do some planetary interaction. It is their choice to paint themselves into the a corner of "I mine ice and only ice". Well my point is... If you are doing something more profitable anyways, why bother checking every 20 minutes to see if that less profitable resource is available? I mean the reason people don't ore mine instead of ice mine is because ice mining is easy and consistant even though regular mining was about 2-3 times more profitable (still is even after the price buff). So if you find yourself with no ice belt to mine and you are regular mining anyways, I doubt you are going to stop every 20 minutes to check to see if you can go back to ice mining. Therefore people will just quit the profession all together.
iirc, CCP soundwave said the belts respawn 4h after they have been cleared. so once you finished an ice belt you can mine ore for 4h or go on a roam or whatever. after 4h the replacement belt spawns. happy ice mining.
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Chad Moody
Triad Mining Corp
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Posted - 2013.05.01 10:50:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:None ofthe Above wrote: The change in the mechanic makes a bit of sense to me, but this part about only spawning enough in high sec to meet 80% of high sec's demand has left me scratching my shiny head.
You're reading it wrong. Highsec will only spawn enough ice to meet 80% of the whole universe's demand. It will spawn roughly 800% of what it needs to meet Highsec's demand.
I have a few questions for Fozzie
1. Did CCP figure all the offline towers in EVE when they calculated how much ice is needed to fuel the towers?
2. Did you include in the calculation the almost 300 new towers that will be put up to support the new moons that are having resources allocated in the Odyssey expansion?
3. Why didn't you guys just make the ice rocks more "depletable" like regular roids and keep the belts instead of making them scannables?
Thank You :) |
Frying Doom
2447
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Posted - 2013.05.01 11:09:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Malcanis wrote:
If by "massive" you mean "about 2-3%" yes, I suppose it is.
Must you sensationalise evrything? It really does damage the discourse.
So you mean you believe Nulls demand for Trit alone does not make up more than 2-3% And yes when I am trying to get my self more isk, scare mongering is good. Duh. No, I mean that null is going from producing >1% of the trit it needs to use up all the high ends produced, to producing 2-3% of the trit it needs to use up all the high ends it produces. If hi-sec was exporting 10 billion units of trit a week, then after the patch it'll be exporting about 9.7 billion units a week. Then maybe they need to be a more attractive locale for miners if you think you can only mine 2-3% of your needs. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.01 11:13:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Malcanis wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Malcanis wrote:
If by "massive" you mean "about 2-3%" yes, I suppose it is.
Must you sensationalise evrything? It really does damage the discourse.
So you mean you believe Nulls demand for Trit alone does not make up more than 2-3% And yes when I am trying to get my self more isk, scare mongering is good. Duh. No, I mean that null is going from producing >1% of the trit it needs to use up all the high ends produced, to producing 2-3% of the trit it needs to use up all the high ends it produces. If hi-sec was exporting 10 billion units of trit a week, then after the patch it'll be exporting about 9.7 billion units a week. Then maybe they need to be a more attractive locale for miners if you think you can only mine 2-3% of your needs.
this change has already made mining in null sec vastly more appealing. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Frying Doom
2447
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Posted - 2013.05.01 11:34:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:Then maybe they need to be a more attractive locale for miners if you think you can only mine 2-3% of your needs.
this change has already made mining in null sec vastly more appealing.[/quote] Yes if you decide you can put up with the elitist pvp player attitudes. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
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Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.01 11:35:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Yes if you decide you can put up with the elitist pvp player attitudes.
who knows, attitude might change when they have to start asking "so who has any spare jump fuel?" Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.05.01 11:41:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Yes if you decide you can put up with the elitist pvp player attitudes. who knows, attitude might change when they have to start asking "so who has any spare jump fuel?" ok yeah, that would be as funny as hell Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9041
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Posted - 2013.05.01 11:45:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Yes if you decide you can put up with the elitist pvp player attitudes. who knows, attitude might change when they have to start asking "so who has any spare jump fuel?"
0.0 has no ice
1 Kings 12:11
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Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.01 11:46:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Danni stark wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Yes if you decide you can put up with the elitist pvp player attitudes. who knows, attitude might change when they have to start asking "so who has any spare jump fuel?" 0.0 has no ice
even if it did.
who'd mine it? :P Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Enthropic
Enthropic Enterprises
23
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Posted - 2013.05.01 11:50:00 -
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Amarr Citizen65821 wrote:What gives CCP?!!!
Ice has more than doubled in the past week.
If this travesty keep up I will have to tear down all my WH POS becauyse I cannot aford it!
If youre not making enough profit with whatever youre doing with your pos to compensate double the cost of fuel, youre doing it wrong anyway |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9041
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Posted - 2013.05.01 12:09:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:Malcanis wrote:Danni stark wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Yes if you decide you can put up with the elitist pvp player attitudes. who knows, attitude might change when they have to start asking "so who has any spare jump fuel?" 0.0 has no ice even if it did. who'd mine it? :P
Well I own a few carriers, so if no one else would, I would.
1 Kings 12:11
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Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.01 12:10:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Well I own a few carriers, so if no one else would, I would.
you heard it here first folks, we have a miner on the CSM! Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Pepper Solette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.05.01 12:48:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:tl:dr
OP doesn't want to mine ice, or buy it. complains about having to take down a pos because he doesn't want to fuel it.
i couldn't have less sympathy if i tried.
Totally agree!
"And on this day...0 fucks were given." |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
596
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Posted - 2013.05.01 12:50:00 -
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We should be able to sell highsec themeparkers tears, and use it to fuel ships. |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
211
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Posted - 2013.05.01 13:23:00 -
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Amarr Citizen65821 wrote:If this travesty keep up I will have to tear down all my WH POS becauyse I cannot aford it!
I used to live in WormSpace and I know from personal experience that if you can't afford these changes your doing it very, very wrong. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
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