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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1097
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Posted - 2015.04.16 15:56:31 -
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erg cz wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: The bots would follow the vein perfectly this outperforming the miners.
Well, I hope not. It really depends on implementation.
Bots outperform humans in captcha tests hence google stopping using them, I'd be interested to see how such a mini game would avoid this. |
Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
29
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Posted - 2015.04.16 17:12:04 -
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So because of a forbidden mechanic (botting), we can't have nice things ?
Since when botting preventing CCP to add new features to the game ? We mostly want fun with active mining, isk come second, so even if bot can do it better, I don't mind if the gameplay of mining become more engaging than it is now.
A simple survey scanner proposal : post
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Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
29
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Posted - 2015.04.19 14:28:00 -
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Bump
A simple survey scanner proposal : post
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Null Infinity
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2015.04.27 11:44:34 -
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Kiddoomer wrote:So because of a forbidden mechanic (botting), we can't have nice things ?
Since when botting preventing CCP to add new features to the game ? We mostly want fun with active mining, isk come second, so even if bot can do it better, I don't mind if the gameplay of mining become more engaging than it is now.
Umm, I think botting is not the reason, why this feature is not implemented.
New mining menthods: interactive mining
and comet mining
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erg cz
Tribal Core
230
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Posted - 2015.04.30 10:56:05 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Bots outperform humans in captcha tests hence google stopping using them, I'd be interested to see how such a mini game would avoid this.
I am not sure about 'mini" game. How about normal game, no special windows or dialogs like for hacking. You zoom the asteroid in and start looking for place to target mining laser at. The better skill - the more accurate you can find and target. The whole banch of events can interrupt your mining path. Like explosions of overheated gas/ice in asteroid can change the vein so, that it would be hard for bot to adapt. Asteroid can start rotating in other direction and so on... |
Null Infinity
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2015.04.30 13:13:19 -
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Bump!
New mining menthods: interactive mining
and comet mining
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erg cz
Tribal Core
234
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Posted - 2015.05.05 08:45:06 -
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Any news on the future changes in minig process? |
Navy Jackal
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.05.07 11:38:52 -
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How about small asteroids hitting bigger asteroids and fracture them. They can even damage mining ship, if the ship will not move away from the randomly flying debris... |
Jasmine Cheryu
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.05.07 16:24:31 -
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+100 for all of OP's suggestions
Sidenote to all talking about how gamebreaking bots are -- yes I agree with you.. here is a following solution that I personally have trialled and tested, and it worked great...
Once upon a time I was a miner.. and in the system I lived and mined in with a large contigent of local people who eventually became very good and close friends of mine.. we were plagued by alot of botters who consitently mined many of the belts away.. so when it came for the guys from the US to login, many hours after DT, alot of the decent ore was gone, mostly due to the bot parties going around everywhere and munching everything up
Therefore I spoke to everyone and we halted our training on our main characters, and spent around 20-25 days training alt characters to fly catalysts to gank the botters
At first we declared war on their corporations and got some nice kills in (hulks, macks, even a few orcas) until the botters decided to go NPC corp.. and then we started suicide ganking them. We told the botters' masters, that if they left the system and never returned, we would not pursue them, and we would only gank them in our system. The botters tried to use highly tanked skiffs, even with damage controls.. but there were too many of us (like 20 or so) and we even ganked skiffs before concord came to kill our cats...
Eventually.. the botters disappeared into the void, and we havernt heard from them since. Even today I travel back to my old mining system, just for nostalgic purposes and I can greeted by the mass of blue contacts I have in local, and I smile
TL;DR -- make a gank alt and kill botters Protip -- do not chase the same character(s) around all of new eden, as this can be classed as harressment and you may be subject to an EULA violation (I believe) |
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
4718
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Posted - 2015.05.07 16:34:08 -
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Jasmine Cheryu wrote:+100 for all of OP's suggestions Sidenote to all talking about how gamebreaking bots are -- yes I agree with you.. here is a following solution that I personally have trialled and tested, and it worked great... Once upon a time I was a miner.. and in the system I lived and mined in with a large contigent of local people who eventually became very good and close friends of mine.. we were plagued by alot of botters who consitently mined many of the belts away.. so when it came for the guys from the US to login, many hours after DT, alot of the decent ore was gone, mostly due to the bot parties going around everywhere and munching everything up Therefore I spoke to everyone and we halted our training on our main characters, and spent around 20-25 days training alt characters to fly catalysts to gank the botters At first we declared war on their corporations and got some nice kills in (hulks, macks, even a few orcas) until the botters decided to go NPC corp.. and then we started suicide ganking them. We told the botters' masters, that if they left the system and never returned, we would not pursue them, and we would only gank them in our system. The botters tried to use highly tanked skiffs, even with damage controls.. but there were too many of us (like 20 or so) and we even ganked skiffs before concord came to kill our cats... Eventually.. the botters disappeared into the void, and we havernt heard from them since. Even today I travel back to my old mining system, just for nostalgic purposes and I can greeted by the mass of blue contacts I have in local, and I smile TL;DR -- make a gank alt and kill botters Protip -- do not chase the same character(s) around all of new eden, as this can be classed as harressment and you may be subject to an EULA violation (I believe) I like the way you think.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
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Jasmine Cheryu
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.05.08 00:04:42 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote: I like the way you think.
Thank you sir o/ |
erg cz
Tribal Core
245
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Posted - 2015.05.11 14:36:37 -
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Bump. |
Null Infinity
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2015.05.12 08:51:45 -
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Jasmine Cheryu wrote:+100 for all of OP's suggestions ... TL;DR -- make a gank alt and kill botters Protip -- do not chase the same character(s) around all of new eden, as this can be classed as harressment and you may be subject to an EULA violation (I believe)
That will not solve the boredrome of the mining itself. OP suggestion will.
New mining menthods: interactive mining
and comet mining
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Null Infinity
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2015.05.13 10:20:56 -
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Bump.
New mining menthods: interactive mining
and comet mining
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Shai'd Hulud
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2015.05.13 13:53:08 -
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-1 for replacing a current system But +1 to add new stuff. I prefer that CCP focuses on adding new opportunities for mining and that it does not change what has been done so far. Examples : add Comet mining or add the possibility to mine the rings of some planets (ring with ice or gas or minerals or both) |
erg cz
Tribal Core
251
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Posted - 2015.05.14 08:32:24 -
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Shai'd Hulud wrote:-1 for replacing a current system But +1 to add new stuff. I prefer that CCP focuses on adding new opportunities for mining and that it does not change what has been done so far. Examples : add Comet mining or add the possibility to mine the rings of some planets (ring with ice or gas or minerals or both)
Well, proposed strip mining method is pretty much what you have even now. The only thing, that would be replaced is amound of asteroids - from many to one. That is not really needed IMHO. But also not that crucial.
Mining rings is nice idea, but what about perfomance of the game? It can be very ressource demanding... |
Null Infinity
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2015.05.22 12:09:36 -
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Bump!
New mining menthods: interactive mining
and comet mining
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Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
46
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Posted - 2015.05.24 13:25:26 -
[228] - Quote
Bump !
A survey scanner tweak and new mining methods: interactive mining
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Raphendyr Nardieu
Unpublished Chapter Chapters.
13
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Posted - 2015.06.01 14:21:36 -
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I like the concept. Points for the ideas.
Thing that to consider is that if some process is based on facts (which deposit has more ore or where that is) then that would be automated/coded in the ship computer. Basic idea is that fact based stuff is automated, and thus player should be left to make choices against the dice roll.
Also some way to implement the risk/isk is nice. Of course low and null does it directly. Still maybe some asteroids could have npc "sleeping" on them and when you start mining one, the npc would wake up. Pretty boring idea but works as an example.
Asteroids or veins could also start getting critical and then you would need to think when to stop before it explodes.
tl;dr: instead of reading numbers and choosing the best, make queses which gain you profits or problems (maybe bring loot fairy here). |
Primarch Apocalypse
Adeptus Imperium
0
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Posted - 2015.06.02 12:11:54 -
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Abrazzar wrote: Crazy ass well intended stuff
Let me put it this way . NO NO & NO
This change will only server your hateful little purpose and the ilks of you.
EVE is a nice game because it has verisimilitude combined with plausible facilitating in a way that few games do. The GTA series being one of the few managing to have such a balance.
So no , no & no you can take your immersion breaking changes & shove them. If you're bored feel free to rage quit and send me your isk + exotic dancers. |
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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
4724
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Posted - 2015.06.02 13:16:34 -
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Primarch Apocalypse wrote:Abrazzar wrote: Crazy ass well intended stuff Let me put it this way . NO NO & NO This change will only server your hateful little purpose and the ilks of you. EVE is a nice game because it has verisimilitude combined with plausible facilitating in a way that few games do. The GTA series being one of the few managing to have such a balance. So no , no & no you can take your immersion breaking changes & shove them. If you're bored feel free to rage quit and send me your isk + exotic dancers. If quality of effort is not something you care about, I can understand why you would object.
For myself, why shouldn't I be able to get better results, by putting in more quality of effort? (Said effort not being defined as duplicating the existing mechanic across multiple accounts, which would be quantity, not quality, of effort)
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
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erg cz
ErgoDron
286
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Posted - 2015.06.03 15:33:17 -
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Primarch Apocalypse wrote: verisimilitude combined with plausible facilitating
Verbal Diarrhea detected.
Lets keep this discussion constructive, should we? |
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