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Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:47:00 -
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I don't care how broken and unfinished they were, they brought excitement with each new expansion. We had 4 expansions without them, and even though I appreciate the countless improvements done to the game, I really want something new to play with
Not complaining, just asking if anyone else feels like this. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
622
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:52:00 -
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What is jesus feature? |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
979
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:52:00 -
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Odyssey is filled with things that I don't think most people consider to be "jesus features" and yet there is a tremendous amount of excitement over the patch.
It's also hard to look at Odyssey and say there's nothing "new". Exploration revamps are pretty new, I'd say. Tiericide results in a lot of newness as it shakes up the metagame, too. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
973
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:52:00 -
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The only "Jesus feature" I've experienced was Incarna, and let's just say I was a bit disappointed because it was also my first impression of what an EVE expansion was. Thankfully CCP has moved towards providing great content and improvements. CCP has no sense of humour. |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
270
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:54:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Odyssey is filled with things that I don't think most people consider to be "jesus features" and yet there is a tremendous amount of excitement over the patch.
It's also hard to look at Odyssey and say there's nothing "new". Exploration revamps are pretty new, I'd say. Tiericide results in a lot of newness as it shakes up the metagame, too. Wouldn't call them Jesus features, but yes, I am excited for Odyssey. When I first started playing the game I hoped it would allow me to roam the stars seeking treasures and fighting off baddies. The game quickly turned into spreadsheets. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1692
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:54:00 -
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No.
There are plenty of other threads where you can ***** about WIS, troll cat.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
270
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:55:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:The only "Jesus feature" I've experienced was Incarna, and let's just say I was a bit disappointed because it was also my first impression of what an EVE expansion was. Thankfully CCP has moved towards providing great content and improvements. I would say wormholes would be considered one. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1288
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:55:00 -
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mynnna wrote: Exploration revamps are pretty new, I'd say. Tiericide results in a lot of newness as it shakes up the metagame, too.
No, these are necessary changes. Not really content. I believe the OP wants something shiny and interesting, and I do concur. However, it has to be taken into account that we're experiencing ship revamps; can't really introduce a new class right now unless it's a really niche thing without upsetting the process. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13986
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:55:00 -
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No. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
270
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:55:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:No.
There are plenty of other threads where you can ***** about WIS, troll cat.
Hmm, not sure what you're talking about. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2452
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:57:00 -
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We asked for the little things and CCP listened.
The tribe has spoken.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Acac Sunflyier
FLA5HY RED
579
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:57:00 -
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I do quite a bit. I remember when Incursions were added as a jeasus feature. also maybe wormholes. The jeasus features were huge changes that brought real and interesting dynamics to the game. Wish they'd come back CCP don't make us wait another decade for a drone overhaul; DRONE OVERHAUL NOW! |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3345
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:58:00 -
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Apocrypha was a particularly feature-rich expansion, with lots of new "content" in the form of 2500 new systems to explore. There was no "Jesus" feature in Apocrypha. The whole point of a "Jesus feature" was that it would be something that would draw people to the game in such huge numbers that it would be worth betting the company on. The only "Jesus" feature we've had was Incarna, and that was delivered in such a feature-poor state (only 1 flavour of CQ, and only the CQ was available) that it turned a large number of people (devs and players alike) right off Incarna.
Nobody misses Jesus features. Some of us do pine for what Incarna could have been, if it hadn't been cut down, trampled and buried before it could bear fruit.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
270
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:59:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:We asked for the little things and CCP listened. The tribe has spoken. Mr Epeen After 4 expansions of little things I think something new wouldn't hurt. I would say Odyssey is close enough. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Acac Sunflyier
FLA5HY RED
579
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:06:00 -
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I think seagul was hinting at a return of jesus features with the new stargates to a new type of space. Also I don 't know if dust could be considered a jesus feature or not. They're definitely adding a bunch of stuff to eve around it. CCP don't make us wait another decade for a drone overhaul; DRONE OVERHAUL NOW! |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
671
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:06:00 -
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I had to google that so you get 5/10.
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
382
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:07:00 -
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My guess is that they're building toward new, big stuff, with the colonization development arc.
Is it bad that I hope this gives me a chance to have an ant farm? |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
981
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:12:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Apocrypha was a particularly feature-rich expansion, with lots of new "content" in the form of 2500 new systems to explore. There was no "Jesus" feature in Apocrypha. The whole point of a "Jesus feature" was that it would be something that would draw people to the game in such huge numbers that it would be worth betting the company on. The only "Jesus" feature we've had was Incarna, and that was delivered in such a feature-poor state (only 1 flavour of CQ, and only the CQ was available) that it turned a large number of people (devs and players alike) right off Incarna.
Nobody misses Jesus features. Some of us do pine for what Incarna could have been, if it hadn't been cut down, trampled and buried before it could bear fruit.
Yeah, basically this. New features are great. But they need to be solid and properly implemented, not overreaching and half working in the hopes of attracting new players. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
270
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:12:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:I think seagul was hinting at a return of jesus features with the new stargates to a new type of space. Also I don 't know if dust could be considered a jesus feature or not. They're definitely adding a bunch of stuff to eve around it. Dust and EVE would probably be affecting each other much more than they do now if the players weren't so vocal and negative about Dust. Its much more calm now than before, so hopefully they start pushing the link. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
1106
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:23:00 -
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mynnna wrote:It's also hard to look at Odyssey and say there's nothing "new". Exploration revamps are pretty new, I'd say. Tiericide results in a lot of newness as it shakes up the metagame, too.
You said it yourself, "exploration revamp". How can a revamp of anything be called new? Take a can of Pepsi, revamp it to Pepsi Zero. It's still Pepzi, just with less calories. Compared to the release of the original Pepsi, it is nothing. That's the problem with recent EVE expansions. An expansion that adds 4 new ships and tweaks the balance of 20 old ones just doesn't measure up to an expansion that releases 20 new ships that perform roles that didn't even exist before.
Same with tiericide. It is a "re-balance'. Tweaking the existing content. It can't be called "new". Well, you sorta* can, but not really. I mean, you could claim that Amarr battleship being tuned into a drone boat is "new". I guess it is, in a way. But at the same time, the hull is mostly old, drones are nothing new, nor are the rest of the stuff. So while technically we get a "new ship", a battleship with drones and cap warfare bonuses that didn't exist before, is it really 100% new? When all it is is a maxi-Arbitrator, the same way as Dragoon is the mini-Arby? |
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1704
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:29:00 -
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you could see the dust link as jesus feature. However it is so difficult to implement/balance properly without destroying one game or the other that it will take a few years to have full trading and cash/item flow between both. eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
115
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:02:00 -
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The problem with jesus features is that they're very much hit or miss. Look at Apocrypha. Awesome expansion. But then look at dominion (sov), tyrannis (pi) and incarna (wis), all of which were failures pretty much. I mean PI is pretty and all, but meh.
Now lets look at the iterative expansions:
crucible: great inferno: ok retribution: most successful expansion of all time
So far, it seems to me that the iterative expansions are significantly better than most "recent" jesus feature expansions with the exception of apocrypha. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3346
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:06:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Same with tiericide. It is a "re-balance'. Tweaking the existing content. It can't be called "new". Well, you sorta* can, but not really. I mean, you could claim that Amarr battleship being tuned into a drone boat is "new". I guess it is, in a way. But at the same time, the hull is mostly old, drones are nothing new, nor are the rest of the stuff. So while technically we get a "new ship", a battleship with drones and cap warfare bonuses that didn't exist before, is it really 100% new? When all it is is a maxi-Arbitrator, the same way as Dragoon is the mini-Arby?
In that case new ships wouldn't really be anything "new" since they'd just be ships that have more or less the same kinds of features that other ships already have. Thus the "new" Armageddon is really just a Dominix with a shiny gold skin, and the "new" rookie ships are just weaker versions of their faction frigate.
The rebalance is effecively giving us dozens of new ships, since historically speaking things like the Moa and Ferox were not widely used, and who would ever use a Cyclone when you could use a Hurricane or Sleipnir? Or who would use a Navitas for anything?
What I would love to see is the idea of star gate construction and destruction extended to cover all existing stargates in EVE. I would also like to see players being able to "swear allegience" to particular empires, paying taxes to those empires in return for the privilege of voting in elections (or taking part in the selection of Government leader + policies). I would like to see conquerable empire space, so that faction warfare would lead to 0.5 Amarr systems becoming 0.4 Amarr systems, becoming 0.4 Minmatar systems, becoming 0.5 Minmatar systems, for example. Or even having 0.5 mission hubs gradually increasing to 1.0 due to the number of pirates successfully driven off. Imagine if running missions continually, day in day out, would actually reduce the possible income from that agent/that system? What if agents could migrate? One day they decide they've had enough of Motsu and move out to Saikanen.
But this isn't a little things thread.
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
351
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:26:00 -
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I looked up "Jesus features" on the internet, what a load of rubbish. Let me go and dig up a bible...
The words of Jesus are conveniently printed in red ink.
Lots of these are very long, and not well suited to a sound bite forum post. Still looking...
Hah! this might work...
"Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power."
Jesus Christ, Mark 9-1
Slavery is self choosen, only the unclaimed are not free.
...Book of Reclaiming: Hall of the Goat
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Shidhe
The Babylon5 Consortuim
3
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:29:00 -
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I am hoping for a new industrial expansion - incorporating Dust and enhanced planetary interaction, as well as introducing more diverse supply chains to make trade (and therefore piracy) more popular. The economy has too many bottlenecks (nanoribbons anyone?) and too little reason to move stuff around at the moment. The enhanced PI would really help EvE and Dust to interact more, and would also form a platform for low sec missions, possibly using the contracts system and other PCs, rather than NPC agents.
Maybe not the most flashy expansion, but a really useful one to both make the economy more interesting, and to promote small scale conflicts... |
Acac Sunflyier
FLA5HY RED
580
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:30:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:I looked up "Jesus features" on the internet, what a load of rubbish. Let me go and dig up a bible...
The words of Jesus are conveniently printed in red ink.
Lots of these are very long, and not well suited to a sound bite forum post. Still looking...
Hah! this might work...
"Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power."
Jesus Christ, Mark 9-1
Ha ha ha what? CCP don't make us wait another decade for a drone overhaul; DRONE OVERHAUL NOW! |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3346
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:32:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Yeah, basically this. New features are great. But they need to be solid and properly implemented, not overreaching and half working in the hopes of attracting new players.
And from the devs perspective, it would be good if the developers at least had the perception that management was pursuing features that the users would be interested in. Is there any doubt that the players would be interested in high resolution texture packs, or the future vision that CCP Seagull teased us with at the tail end of the keynote? Was there any doubt in anyone's mind that a great many EVE players were very excited about the scenario of "Future Vision" when we saw it at FanFest 2011?
I imagine that the reception that EVE players gave Incarna has resulted in a number of CCP developers developing PTSD. They probably cringe every time they see a full-body avatar poster (like the big banners at Fanfest). So before any further work is done on WiS, there will need to be a massive amount of therapy applied to those devs to convince them that it wasn't WiS itself so much as WiS-to-the-exclusion-of-everything-else, combined with "Fearless: Greed is Good" and the misunderstanding about the Noble Exchange being a Luxury store rather than a microtransactions store for the unwashed masses.
This is where I see a great deal of value from the CSM: you guys need to keep in contact with as many devs as possible to keep telling them, "Yes! We will love what you are doing when it is done! Keep it up!"
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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
579
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:32:00 -
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... wants "Station Bowling" for Titans and SCaps... unscripted, please.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Skorpynekomimi
504
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:34:00 -
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They're playing it safe, it seems. Giving us little incremental improvements to keep the bittervets quiet and regain subs. **** |
marVLs
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:56:00 -
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I miss them a little but im glad of the way CCP runs. I think its better that they fixing existing stuf before implementing something completely new, when they finish upgrading eve (whole pve - missions, incursions, industry, mining, LS, Null). Then im happy to get some "jesus features" and i'm sure they will come. |
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