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Ragnarok Knight
ROGUE - DRONES
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:05:00 -
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Is CCP really providing for all play-styles? Will the new security status system make life hard for those who hunt the pirates, now that security status will be something easily removed by isk?
Is there enough even with bounties, for someone who knows how to fight, but wants to fight the endless stream of psychos in space? |
Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:48:00 -
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Ragnarok Knight wrote:Is CCP really providing for all play-styles? Will the new security status system make life hard for those who hunt the pirates, now that security status will be something easily removed by isk?
Is there enough even with bounties, for someone who knows how to fight, but wants to fight the endless stream of psychos in space?
I have no intention of removing my security status all the time. I do have every intention of shooting people like you. Famine Aligher'ri Master Pirate
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Ragnarok Knight
ROGUE - DRONES
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Posted - 2013.05.03 01:50:00 -
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Probably because you have alts for hauling like every pirate that isn't ********.
It is going to weird though....going to gate camps where everyone has yellow sec standings instead of flashy red. I'm not sure it's the best solution out there. However making low-sec ratting worth while for a change has it's perks i guess. |
Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2013.05.03 01:54:00 -
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Ragnarok Knight wrote:Probably because you have alts for hauling like every pirate that isn't ********.
It is going to weird though....going to gate camps where everyone has yellow sec standings instead of flashy red. I'm not sure it's the best solution out there. However making low-sec ratting worth while for a change has it's perks i guess.
Doesn't matter. Pilots will lose security status more willingly than pirates would. It will likely cause more fights in low security with pilots who are not pirates. Famine Aligher'ri Master Pirate
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Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front New Creation Collective
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Posted - 2013.05.03 02:59:00 -
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Ragnarok Knight wrote:Probably because you have alts for hauling like every pirate that isn't ********.
It is going to weird though....going to gate camps where everyone has yellow sec standings instead of flashy red. I'm not sure it's the best solution out there. However making low-sec ratting worth while for a change has it's perks i guess.
I doubt things are going to change as much as you think. Shortly after the expansion you will probably see some -10 pirates repairing their sec so they can spend an evening smartbombing in Jita for ***** and giggles, and you will probably see a few highseccers trying out going -10, now that they know they can quickly get it back. I don't think it will take long, though, before things stabilize. I doubt you are going to see many people routinely destroying then repairing their sec, because there wouldn't be much point. Join the Revolutionary Front and liberate New Eden from it's stuff.
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Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.05.03 08:23:00 -
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If you want to fight evil loss of sec status should be stopping you. Monk for CSM Belligerent Undesirables Blog. |
Sabriz Adoudel
AWOXalypse
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Posted - 2013.05.03 08:38:00 -
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Biggest changes will be to whether people podkill in lowsec or not (when they get an opportunity). Not sure how that will actually play out - some that presently think 'ah, what the heck, I'm -6.0, may as well pod this guy' will now think 'I'm -6.0, better not waste three tags podding this guy'.
Others will think 'I'm -4.4, but I'll pop this pod because I can easily fix up the sec to get back into high'.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2013.05.03 12:33:00 -
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If it's easier to regain security status then both ship and pod destructions will go up in low-sec. You may even see the amount of both surpass null-sec space. Famine Aligher'ri Master Pirate
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.03 12:52:00 -
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As we don't know the spawn rate for the new rats, it's hard to tell. For example, if they are in every belt, every time rats spawn, sec repair could be under 1 million isk, rendering sec status a useless trait. However, the rats could be as rare as officer spawns, leading to a billion isk to raise your sec to -4 even, making it a useless feature.
It could also be an odd mix. As I recall, you need specific tags to reach certain numbers. For example, going -10 to -8 took tag x, -8 to -5 is tag y, -5 to -2 is tag z. If tag x and y are rare, but z common, you may see more flashy yellows and people watching their sec status not to dip too low into the rare tag range.
Also, tags have to be turned in to a low sec concord station. You could see such stations camped beyond all belief by pirates or who knows. Imagine if one of the stations was in Rancer.
The reality is, we know there will tags for secs. Until we know spawn rates we just can't tell if this will be balanced, broken from inception, or renders sec status as useless. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2013.05.03 13:04:00 -
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Ragnarok Knight wrote:Is CCP really providing for all play-styles? Will the new security status system make life hard for those who hunt the pirates, now that security status will be something easily removed by isk?
Is there enough even with bounties, for someone who knows how to fight, but wants to fight the endless stream of psychos in space? The tags are just for carebears who want occasional pewpew in lowsec without the risk of going too negative in sec status. No pirate will use them on a serious basis. So don-¦t be afraid lil one...
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1338
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Posted - 2013.05.03 13:47:00 -
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Ragnarok Knight wrote:Is CCP really providing for all play-styles?
This question doesn't really even make sense.
But the answer is yes. This will cater to MORE play-syles than the current system.
1. It caters to the hardcore pirate playstyle. They will ignore the tags because they have no need to rise from -10. And this gives them something to do for isk when waiting for targets (roam belts) 2. It caters to the occasional pirate/ganker. They now can roam for a period of time, racking up negative sec and then repair it at the end. 3. It caters to the carebear looking for some additional thrill. Now there is a better reason to take a trip to lowsec and rat through the belts, hopefully picking up some juicy tags while evading nasty piwates.
And I may be wrong, but I'm gonna guess that these tags aren't gonna be all that cheap. I would suspect we will find that trying to get from -10 to 0 will get pretty expensive.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2013.05.03 14:09:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Ragnarok Knight wrote:Is CCP really providing for all play-styles? Will the new security status system make life hard for those who hunt the pirates, now that security status will be something easily removed by isk?
Is there enough even with bounties, for someone who knows how to fight, but wants to fight the endless stream of psychos in space? The tags are just for carebears who want occasional pewpew in lowsec without the risk of going too negative in sec status. No pirate will use them on a serious basis. So don-¦t be afraid lil one...
That's incorrect IMHO. I could see a lot of pirates repairing their security status easy to simply enter high-sec empire and suicide gank people more than before. Famine Aligher'ri Master Pirate
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
372
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Posted - 2013.05.03 14:30:00 -
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Except that a lot of suicide gankers dont care about sec status because they use high sec alts for target hunting and just bring in the pirate for the final kill.
Personally i welcome any change that gives more of a chance for people who will actually fight to be in lowsec. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
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Ahvram
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.03 14:52:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:As we don't know the spawn rate for the new rats, it's hard to tell. For example, if they are in every belt, every time rats spawn, sec repair could be under 1 million isk, rendering sec status a useless trait. However, the rats could be as rare as officer spawns, leading to a billion isk to raise your sec to -4 even, making it a useless feature. It could also be an odd mix. As I recall, you need specific tags to reach certain numbers. For example, going -10 to -8 took tag x, -8 to -5 is tag y, -5 to -2 is tag z. If tag x and y are rare, but z common, you may see more flashy yellows and people watching their sec status not to dip too low into the rare tag range. Also, tags have to be turned in to a low sec concord station. You could see such stations camped beyond all belief by pirates or who knows. Imagine if one of the stations was in Rancer. The reality is, we know there will tags for secs. Until we know spawn rates we just can't tell if this will be balanced, broken from inception, or renders sec status as useless.
It should cost billions to repair your sec status. Tags need to be on the same balance plain as ratting. Very rare and extremely expensive. To repair status takes many hours of ratting. Now with 2 ways to raise sec status the consideration of time vs ISK spent needs to be in the same ball park. Also tags are buyable meaning they should be even more rare as the player doesn't have to partake in any combat to improve his status. |
Tarsas Phage
Freight Club
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Posted - 2013.05.03 15:25:00 -
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Ahvram wrote: It should cost billions to repair your sec status
Billions :dr evil: you say? So what you're really trying to say is that you're pretty mad over this and you want it so that people who want to repair their sec this way are essentially priced out of the market?
Next up: witnessing you complain that Eve favors older players.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.03 15:39:00 -
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Tarsas Phage wrote:Ahvram wrote: It should cost billions to repair your sec status
Billions :dr evil: you say? So what you're really trying to say is that you're pretty mad over this and you want it so that people who want to repair their sec this way are essentially priced out of the market? Next up: witnessing you complain that Eve favors older players.
If it cost billions then it is a useless feature. For the same time it would take to earn the isk, I could take a bomber into nul and wasn back the sec status by grinding. I bet a nul group would sell a blue pass to a ratting system for far less, plus I make bounties while farming sec.
Plus, if these tags cost too much, no one will buy them. Content will be broken at inception, angering a large portion of the customer base. Potential content in low sec will still be lacking and it becomes resources ccp wasted. Do you really want that?
Sorry, but a cost for these tags would defeat the purpose entirely. I'd rather see a better balance. |
Ahvram
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2013.05.03 15:40:00 -
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Tarsas Phage wrote:Ahvram wrote: It should cost billions to repair your sec status
Billions :dr evil: you say? So what you're really trying to say is that you're pretty mad over this and you want it so that people who want to repair their sec this way are essentially priced out of the market? Next up: witnessing you complain that Eve favors older players.
Don't do the crime if you cant pay the fine? Gankers destroy and loot billions of isk a week from Hi sec ganks. This will just be another way to make that process easier for them to participate in. Yes it should have and extremely high cost associated with it especially since you now need to take no risk to improve status. People who think the lonely low sec pilot will have a chance at these tags are foolish. Big alliances will be streaming to these belts to fight for these tags and billions of ISK involved in the process. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1338
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Posted - 2013.05.03 15:52:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Tarsas Phage wrote:Ahvram wrote: It should cost billions to repair your sec status
Billions :dr evil: you say? So what you're really trying to say is that you're pretty mad over this and you want it so that people who want to repair their sec this way are essentially priced out of the market? Next up: witnessing you complain that Eve favors older players. If it cost billions then it is a useless feature. For the same time it would take to earn the isk, I could take a bomber into nul and wasn back the sec status by grinding. I bet a nul group would sell a blue pass to a ratting system for far less, plus I make bounties while farming sec. Plus, if these tags cost too much, no one will buy them. Content will be broken at inception, angering a large portion of the customer base. Potential content in low sec will still be lacking and it becomes resources ccp wasted. Do you really want that? Sorry, but a cost for these tags would defeat the purpose entirely. I'd rather see a better balance.
Not at all useless. Now I don't know if it will be Billion(s). But I'm willing to bet it won't be cheap either.
It seemed pretty clear during the keynote that the intention behind this is to give players another option for repairing sec status, not to make it easier to repair sec status.
Luckily it will all be market driven so supply/demand should sort things out.
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Altaen
Calamitous-Intent
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Posted - 2013.05.03 17:51:00 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote:Ragnarok Knight wrote:Probably because you have alts for hauling like every pirate that isn't ********.
It is going to weird though....going to gate camps where everyone has yellow sec standings instead of flashy red. I'm not sure it's the best solution out there. However making low-sec ratting worth while for a change has it's perks i guess. I doubt things are going to change as much as you think. Shortly after the expansion you will probably see some -10 pirates repairing their sec so they can spend an evening smartbombing in Jita for ***** and giggles, and you will probably see a few highseccers trying out going -10, now that they know they can quickly get it back. I don't think it will take long, though, before things stabilize. I doubt you are going to see many people routinely destroying then repairing their sec, because there wouldn't be much point.
Agreed. I doubt this method will be used as frequently as you might think. I seriously doubt I will feel motivated to pay or rat my sec up anytime soon. The coming changes should pull more targets to low-sec, so I don't see any reason not to just sit back and let them come. |
Kimo Khan
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Posted - 2013.05.03 18:16:00 -
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Famine Aligher'ri wrote:If it's easier to regain security status then both ship and pod destructions will go up in low-sec. You may even see the amount of both surpass null-sec space.
^^Yes this. I will shoot more as a result of this. My sec status is already positive and I work at keeping it that way. Now I won't have to work as hard so it means more pew pew. Bounty hunters won't change how they engage me afterwards as they already have to deal with greater than 0 status. |
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
155
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Posted - 2013.05.03 19:14:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote: The reality is, we know there will tags for secs. Until we know spawn rates we just can't tell if this will be balanced, broken from inception, or renders sec status as useless.
Well more rare than regular rats but not as uncommon as faction/officer spawns....I guess that puts them somewhere around the mineral hauler rat spawn rate which would be good. |
cynthia greythorne
Twilight Labs Unsung Voices
22
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:21:00 -
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Ahvram wrote:[quote=Tarsas Phage][quote=Ahvram]
People who think the lonely low sec pilot will have a chance at these tags are foolish. Big alliances will be streaming to these belts to fight for these tags and billions of ISK involved in the process.
You are right, of course. It will be like the moon materials: a cash machine for a few. The NPC sec-tag droppers should be in high-sec, not low sec, or, better, randomly appear in any system, high, low, or null. Everyone knows that this scheme as currently proposed will not bring more pilots into low sec. |
Alexander Eisenhower
Adventurers
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:58:00 -
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Pardon my noobness but havent these tags always been around? I thought it was just the location and rarity of the drops that will change? |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:15:00 -
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Ragnarok Knight wrote:Probably because you have alts for hauling like every pirate that isn't ********.
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More haulers then pirates in eve , and they do couriers for small change so it does not matter if it is or is not your main.
And besides a low-sec pirate normally doesn't give a crap about sec stat.Didn't hurt me in any way to be -10 in the past at least.Hell , usually it made it more fun and interesting.
The reall downside of being neg ten is when you decide to give up the pirating , only then it is a burden as you have to grind back sec.But only if you decide to go to high-sec for a career switch because if your a pie and decide to live in null then the neg ten again has no downsides.Appart from people with ****** up overview settings that is .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Xylorn Hasher
Sumiyoshi-Kai
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Posted - 2013.05.10 11:09:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Ragnarok Knight wrote:Probably because you have alts for hauling like every pirate that isn't ********.
\. More haulers then pirates in eve , and they do couriers for small change so it does not matter if it is or is not your main. And besides a low-sec pirate normally doesn't give a crap about sec stat.Didn't hurt me in any way to be -10 in the past at least.Hell , usually it made it more fun and interesting. The reall downside of being neg ten is when you decide to give up the pirating , only then it is a burden as you have to grind back sec.But only if you decide to go to high-sec for a career switch because if your a pie and decide to live in null then the neg ten again has no downsides.Appart from people with ****** up overview settings that is .
Well security status isn't much issue here. It can be fixed one way or another. Real problem are standings to NPC corps which in my case are terribad. You loose some standing every time you kill a guy from NPC corp. After 3 years of pirating im -10 to most. This cannot be fixed so Im pirate for life.
Even if someone will buy sec status with tags - killrights stays so they still can be hunted in hisec. True question is who will dare to do this? All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana-áconsumption. |
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