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Jita1st Sales
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.03 02:43:00 -
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How many hisec only miners will actually be drawn to nullsec?
Will the changes to nullsec ore actually draw more hisec miners to nullsec, or is it possible that long time hisec miners will simply give up due to the drop in isk/hour.
Some highsec miners will still not be able to bring themselves to risk being popped in nullsec belts and for those players alot of fun will be lost when their wallet's growth slows to a snail's pace.
It would seem that any profit from low and nullsec mining will be offset by the huge zerg forces of pvp and griefers entering the belts which might become target rich environments. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.05.03 03:09:00 -
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Zero will be drawn to Null. It's not something one just "does" at the drop of a hat. It is a complete 'lifestyle change' involving complicated logistics, strategy and planning.
The Market will stabilize at some point.
Life will continue. EVE will continue, and we'll be posting here on the 20th Anniversary.
Why So Worrisome ????? -áGÇ£The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.GÇ¥-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2013.05.03 03:10:00 -
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Quote:Will the changes to nullsec ore actually draw more hisec miners to nullsec,
No.
Quote:or is it possible that long time hisec miners will simply give up due to the drop in isk/hour.
No.
They will continue mining for less money. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3301
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Posted - 2013.05.03 03:30:00 -
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Jita1st Sales wrote:Will the changes to nullsec ore actually draw more hisec miners to nullsec, or is it possible that long time hisec miners will simply give up due to the drop in isk/hour.
When trit was like 3/unit. Py 6/unit, and so on due to competition from Drone poop, miners still mined. A lot. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
xPredat0rz
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2013.05.03 04:25:00 -
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only thing you might see is more null sec guys moving their miners out of high sec.
The more likely thing to happen is they just unsub them as not worth the hassle. I know i only ran my high sec miners as passive income(Ice) while i was off doing something else. Now that they cant do that I prob wont run them at all. |
Ersahi Kir
Infinite Mobility SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.03 04:29:00 -
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High sec industry will continue on as normal. Null sec alliances aren't going to build rifters and drakes just so they can jump them to high sec and sell them, they're going to use the ore change to reduce their dependence on high sec to supply most of the high sec minerals. The thing about mining is that it is directly pegged to what it takes to build a ship, so as the cost of minerals goes up and down the time it takes to mine up a ship tends to be very consistent.
Will high sec miners move out to null sec? I don't know, you may get a few that will go out knowing that they can be full blown industrialist without relying on jump freighter shipments from high sec. Maybe not. |
Lugues Slive
Basement Chemists Dead Rune Society
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Posted - 2013.05.03 04:31:00 -
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I am actually more set on not moving out to null now with the changes to scanning. Before one of the reasons I was considering it was that I could mine hidden belts and be able to get to saftey once the probes were dropped. Now they just have to warp in and all the hidden and static belts are shown and easy to warp to. |
Karig'Ano Keikira
State War Academy Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2013.05.03 09:17:00 -
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will highsec mining be less profitable? very likely will it be very significant? don't think so, likely order of magnitude of 10% - 20% less profits will it drive throngs of miners into 0.0? most certainly not; high sec miners will mine in high sec, some 0.0 players might move their alts to 0.0 to mine will it break anything? very unlikely |
Crexa
Ion Industrials
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Posted - 2013.05.03 09:18:00 -
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Jita1st Sales wrote:How many hisec only miners will actually be drawn to nullsec?
Will the changes to nullsec ore actually draw more hisec miners to nullsec, or is it possible that long time hisec miners will simply give up due to the drop in isk/hour.
Some highsec miners will still not be able to bring themselves to risk being popped in nullsec belts and for those players alot of fun will be lost when their wallet's growth slows to a snail's pace.
It would seem that any profit from low and nullsec mining will be offset by the huge zerg forces of pvp and griefers entering the belts which might become target rich environments.
1. Not many. Statistically undetectable.
2. Same as 1. answer. Unknown.
3. Hard to say, as its mainly trit and pye getting null boosts. I would say mex, iso and nox. will still be good minerals for the market.
4. I'll let null miners speak to that. But my guess is they are not happy about the grav site scan change. No one mines in lowsec. Let me rephrase that, no one with a brain mines in lowsec. "...its breakfast time and i am very hungry. may i have some of your paint chips?" |
Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.03 11:20:00 -
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the mining changes will have 0 impact on whether people move to null.
the migration will only happen if null sec corps are willing to accommodate miners. from what i've seen browsing the forums and the corp search tool the answer is generally; no. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.03 11:38:00 -
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As others have easily pointed out, mining happened with trit at 2isk per unit. All people are doing (to the extent that the forums represent the majority) is crying about something they think will happen in a month. I've found people in general, don't like change. Same thing here. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
Illini Vaille
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.03 11:59:00 -
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Crexa wrote:No one mines in lowsec.
I mine in lowsec :(
Mining missions! Completely safe until you see the probes xD. And I get some green stuff from lowsec occasionally. Works okay for me in a procurer.
Honestly, these changes are making me think about joining a nullsec corp to become a full-blown self sufficient industrialist out there. But yeah, I would need to find a corp that doesn't mind me setting my own hours and pretty much ignoring them unless we're defending (mining) territory or moons and I don't think there's many corps that have room for that kind of lifestyle. |
Asuna Bourne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.03 12:03:00 -
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No.
The logistics of Null Sec alone tells me no.
Ill still be in high sec. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
590
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Posted - 2013.05.03 14:05:00 -
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Highsec Mining will lose nothing. It will still be as safe as it is now, yields will be the same. nothing in high sec will change.
Except maybe ICE mining, I am on the fence as to whether those changes will be gamebreaking or not.
But those who choose to move to null sec will now make more isk, making the added risk worth something. However the huge nerf to hidden belts by converting them all from garv sites to anomilies may drive some existing null sec miners back to high sec.
This will be game breaking if it goes live. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
611
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Posted - 2013.05.03 18:11:00 -
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simply put, 50% of belts are pyerite and trit heavy, so in a nutshell 50% of miners will be pretty much forced to head off to low/null, or mine those 2 mats lol.
also, most belts are stripped of the good stuff in the first 6 hours after servers come back up, so your going to see most low-nul mining corps from certain regions like Europe/Russia japan etc.
P.S. dibs on calling CCP out on this first. |
Haulie Berry
589
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Posted - 2013.05.03 18:13:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote: This will be game breaking if it goes live.
Game breaking? Really?
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Krax As
Silent Tears in Space
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Posted - 2013.05.03 18:56:00 -
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Illini Vaille wrote:Crexa wrote:No one mines in lowsec. I mine in lowsec :( Mining missions! Completely safe until you see the probes xD. And I get some green stuff from lowsec occasionally. Works okay for me in a procurer. Honestly, these changes are making me think about joining a nullsec corp to become a full-blown self sufficient industrialist out there. But yeah, I would need to find a corp that doesn't mind me setting my own hours and pretty much ignoring them unless we're defending (mining) territory or moons and I don't think there's many corps that have room for that kind of lifestyle.
it is because this exact reason that nothing will change.
full blown self sufficient industrialist my behind. from what i heard the amounts of minerals a real industrialist blows through his assembly lines are off the charts. those guys are going to mine that themselves in null ? forget about it.
the new capacities of outposts ?? (unless the upgrade levels are cumulative) the total numbers are still a joke. there are highsec systems with hundreds of production slots avaiable. without much logistic trouble. courier contratcs are cheap, market available...
i think the idea is great, but the execution lacks commitment.
and unless corporation and alliances embrace and accomodate miners and industrialists as normal members and part of their own, nothing will ever change...
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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:21:00 -
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Nope.
Some folks just don't want the drama no matter how lucrative the mining might be; nevermind the fact that any "arrangement" reached with Null Sec hosts is so prone to change on a moments notice that it's a farce best avoided in many people's opinion.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Ersahi Kir
Infinite Mobility SpaceMonkey's Alliance
147
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Posted - 2013.05.03 21:02:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Nope.
Some folks just don't want the drama no matter how lucrative the mining might be; nevermind the fact that any "arrangement" reached with Null Sec hosts is so prone to change on a moments notice that it's a farce best avoided in many people's opinion.
The funny thing about this comment is that I feel like my null sec alliance has laid out their expectations very well. They boil down to simply:
1. When a call to arms goes up attend if you can 2. Do whatever you want when there is no call to arms 3. Don't be an ass to your alliance or their allies
What they're changing at a moments notice I don't know. |
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
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Posted - 2013.05.03 21:49:00 -
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Very few, if any, high sec miners will go to nul sec to mine. |
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Secret Squirrell
Allied Press Intergalactic
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Posted - 2013.05.04 13:13:00 -
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While this wont result in a massive flood of miners moving to 0.0, it will result in an increase. What the change is doing is removing a giant disincentive from 0.0, namely that unless you were heavily cherry picking Arkonor, highsec has had as good or better ore yields, even before you factor in the overhead of moving it out once you mine it. As a practical matter, a corp that allows heavy arkonor cherry picking is not gonna get far, so that is mostly out too. Few players are going to go through the hassle of finding a corp and learning to mine 0.0 only to not make any more isk.
With the change, there will be a much more reliable yield bonus to 0.0 mining, and corps that adopt proper high yield mining practices wont suffer as much from the previously low yield ores they had to mine to cycle the sites. But again, none of the changes will drive miners to 0.0, but they are removing some of the major obstacles in the way of miners who may already have been predisposed to want to go to 0.0.
One last comment, you need to find a 0.0 corp that is serious about industry, not one that just added an indy wing as an afterthought. Ore buyback is a must, and should probably even be mandatory to promote site cycling. CTA requirements should be minimal or non existent, you should be taxing your miners, and protecting them, if someone is willing to fly in PvP, they can probably find more profitable ways of making money then mining. |
Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.04 13:17:00 -
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Secret Squirrell wrote:Ore buyback is a must,
it's nice if it isn't a complete scam, but it's hardly a must.
logistics to jita as far more important than "well buy your ore for half it's worth because you've got no choice because there's no local market and you don't own a jump freighter" schemes.
Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9093
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Posted - 2013.05.04 14:33:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Highsec Mining will lose nothing. It will still be as safe as it is now, yields will be the same. nothing in high sec will change.
Except maybe ICE mining, I am on the fence as to whether those changes will be gamebreaking or not.
But those who choose to move to null sec will now make more isk, making the added risk worth something. However the huge nerf to hidden belts by converting them all from grav sites to anomalies may drive some existing null sec miners back to high sec.
This will be game breaking if it goes live.
I'm prepared to bet you it won't.
(Unless by "game" you mean "bot")
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Haulie Berry
592
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Posted - 2013.05.04 16:17:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Highsec Mining will lose nothing. It will still be as safe as it is now, yields will be the same. nothing in high sec will change.
Except maybe ICE mining, I am on the fence as to whether those changes will be gamebreaking or not.
But those who choose to move to null sec will now make more isk, making the added risk worth something. However the huge nerf to hidden belts by converting them all from grav sites to anomalies may drive some existing null sec miners back to high sec.
This will be game breaking if it goes live. I'm prepared to bet you it won't. (Unless by "game" you mean "bot")
No. It won't break those, either.
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blue dehazon
Allice AVATAR Corporation RB Mining
0
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Posted - 2013.05.05 02:33:00 -
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Jita1st Sales wrote:How many hisec only miners will actually be drawn to nullsec?
Will the changes to nullsec ore actually draw more hisec miners to nullsec, or is it possible that long time hisec miners will simply give up due to the drop in isk/hour.
Some highsec miners will still not be able to bring themselves to risk being popped in nullsec belts and for those players alot of fun will be lost when their wallet's growth slows to a snail's pace.
It would seem that any profit from low and nullsec mining will be offset by the huge zerg forces of pvp and griefers entering the belts which might become target rich environments. .this mining bonus will change nothing.ther wont be more peopol willing to protect miners in low or nullsec just for som aded or yeld,they who livs in low-nullsec dident go ther to baybisit miners.so iven if your find somwon willing to protct you it wont be for a long period,so as a miner you will in the end always making more profit in hi-sec |
Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.05 06:56:00 -
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blue dehazon wrote:so as a miner you will in the end always making more profit in hi-sec
good job that won't be the case after odyssey then. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Aria Ning
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.05.05 18:04:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:blue dehazon wrote:so as a miner you will in the end always making more profit in hi-sec good job that won't be the case after odyssey then.
I think I am a bit concerned about high end ores or mats falling in supply. Like many said the risk for low/nullsec mining has increased thanks to the removal gravsites. I am also thinking if corps are forced to provide protection to the miners then ore/mats are most likely to stay in-house.
But then again if high end ore/mats do rise in price, looks like I'll be using my venture quite a bit. |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
586
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Posted - 2013.05.05 20:31:00 -
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Ersahi Kir wrote:Felicity Love wrote:Nope.
Some folks just don't want the drama no matter how lucrative the mining might be; nevermind the fact that any "arrangement" reached with Null Sec hosts is so prone to change on a moments notice that it's a farce best avoided in many people's opinion. The funny thing about this comment is that I feel like my null sec alliance has laid out their expectations very well. They boil down to simply: 1. When a call to arms goes up attend if you can 2. Do whatever you want when there is no call to arms 3. Don't be an ass to your alliance or their allies What they're changing at a moments notice I don't know.
The funny thing about this response is that it completey fails to admit that there is no "if you can" in most Null alliances. Funny that, how miners train skills to mine rather than fight.
I guess since the days of "gun mining" in Dronelands came to an end, there are still alot of folks out there who are fuzzy on that whole "mining" thing so the confusion is to be expected from time to time.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Danni stark
128
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Posted - 2013.05.05 20:39:00 -
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Aria Ning wrote:Danni stark wrote:blue dehazon wrote:so as a miner you will in the end always making more profit in hi-sec good job that won't be the case after odyssey then. I think I am a bit concerned about high end ores or mats falling in supply. Like many said the risk for low/nullsec mining has increased thanks to the removal gravsites. I am also thinking if corps are forced to provide protection to the miners then ore/mats are most likely to stay in-house. But then again if high end ore/mats do rise in price, looks like I'll be using my venture quite a bit.
i'm unconvinced that you can enter a system, wait for the scan to finish, warp to an anom, and tackle some one before they have time to warp to a pos if they're watching local. it's easier than it was if you had to probe them down, but i still think you'll have to be pretty fast to get it done.
also, mine in a dead end system with a bubble on the gate and you really have 0 excuses to get caught by some one entering by anything other than a wormhole. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Imp D
Interstellar Warmongering Mongoldoids Dragons of Fire and Ice
0
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Posted - 2013.05.05 22:50:00 -
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I think people are more likely to go back to Hi sec from null. No more grav sites to safly mine in. Its very rare some one will prob you out in a grav site, and even if they do you have time to warp off when you see the probes. Now people get your location right away without the need of scan probes. |
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