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Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
152
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Posted - 2013.05.03 19:20:00 -
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its coming, just a matter of when.
before starting the project, someone sat down somewhere and ran the market research figures, and decided it was worth it to increase sub numbers, obviously they overlooked the outflow if people qutting in protest, but, they know those original figures still stand, if they can just avoid pissing current players off it will be green lighted.
the cq is still there. they didnt take it out. why would they leave something in if it is a failure. whem they take the cq out totally then you can say, wis is dead.
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Niko medes
Sonoran Shadow
38
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Posted - 2013.05.03 19:23:00 -
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Get it done CCP. I'd rather spin my avatar endlessly than my ship during a corporation meeting. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
1599
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:37:00 -
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Oh look, another thread on WiS.
Everything that had to be said has been said.
I just kind of hope that EVE's next EP, tasked with saving this old lady, isn't called Ryan... The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
744
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:44:00 -
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Yup enormous potential with WiS. Since dedicating an entire expansion on WiS could alienate conservative bittervets and space-fascists, please introduce WiS contents piece by piece.
Or... at least let us, the EVE characters, walk around in DUST 514 platform or something.
And please introduce more AURUM clothing from Noble stores. Hundreds of us are getting sick of limited selection of outfit. |
Lina Alar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4171
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:56:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Lina Alar wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:Lina Alar wrote:The simplest way would be for avatar objects (clothing, accessories, mods) to be destructible and player-made. That would loop them into the economy better than "I broke up a Plex to buy this, pay me ISK for it" after-market we currently have. Granted, faction store rewards isn't a bad way to go either.
The biggest catch for CCP would be that they'd need to dissociate what clothing and items the avatar is currently sporting from what appears in the portrait, but I think this should be done anyway. Ask ten different WiS supporters what it means to them, and you'll get ten different answers. Probably the most amorphous concept currently discussed. I was addressing "dissociation from the previous disaster". The fact that we got little fish tanks for our characters to sit on a couch in was a huge problem, because the trailer showed players interacting in station environments. I still want that experience from the trailer. But the chief problem with what they did deliver (as opposed to what they didn't) was the NeX and taking things out of the player's hands. Link? I remember the Incarna Trailer being "I was there" ... or was that the FF 2011 "EVE Forever" video you're thinking of? The Eve Forever trailer was one such video, but there were also the Fanfest demos of establishments, Slay, and actual massive station interiors. I'll try to dig them up (from one of the other threads) a bit later. An explanation of Eve socialization: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTbgvYPVdXE Lick with your mainGäó |
Velicitia
Nex Exercitus
1490
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Posted - 2013.05.03 21:37:00 -
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Lina Alar wrote: The Eve Forever trailer was one such video, but there were also the Fanfest demos of establishments, Slay, and actual massive station interiors. I'll try to dig them up (from one of the other threads) a bit later.
Oh right -- all the work in progress videos that looked awesome from even YEARS back.
Thought you were talking about the Incarna trailer itself One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1374
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Posted - 2013.05.03 21:41:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Velicitia wrote:You're not old enough... This is an important point. I highly doubt WiS would have the negative connotations it does if even what little was released had not been done so with everything that came with it, as you described. For example, if the odyssey changes had also come with the additional baggage that WiS did, then those would become pariah subjects for the next x amount of years, just by association. For WiS to gain wider acceptance it either needs a clear and decisive vision articulated that disassociates it from the previous disaster or to simply wait until people get over Incarna as a whole and WiS by association.
I often feel the need to disagree with you on principle, because you often put a lot of effort into purposefully being an ass. But you make a great deal of sense in this post. Liked and quoted for the truth. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Ai Shun
939
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Posted - 2013.05.03 21:52:00 -
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Kimberly Menage wrote: Hello,
So... I saw on you tube the videos of fan feast and saw they were talking about were the game is heading . I just had to ask is walking around in station done and over with ???
is it a dead horse and we should stop even talking about it? its never going to happen? whats going on with it ?
CCP promised to start working on it when the first forum user performs a search before posting the same topic when it is visible on the front page. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
750
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Posted - 2013.05.03 22:13:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Kimberly Menage wrote: Hello,
So... I saw on you tube the videos of fan feast and saw they were talking about were the game is heading . I just had to ask is walking around in station done and over with ???
is it a dead horse and we should stop even talking about it? its never going to happen? whats going on with it ? CCP promised to start working on it when the first forum user performs a search before posting the same topic when it is visible on the front page.
A worthy cause deserves to be "bumped" and brought to CCP's attention as often as possible. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
750
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Posted - 2013.05.03 22:24:00 -
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Bolow Santosi wrote:Arduemont wrote: This is you declaring that most people don't care about WiS. A statement that requires backing up. "I don't care about WiS" would have been an opinion.
I guess the summer of rage, a significant drop in subscriptions, and an emergency summit of the CSM to unfuck Incarna was just everything else but WiS and not a response to it. The community spoke 2 years ago and it was a pretty loud " No".
But it did not garner much awesome and amazing publicity as your Mittani the Great's awesome rambling during the Alliance Panel.
Some claim that Incarna almost "killed EVE's playerbase" but there is nothing to substantiate such fact except dozens of angry posts saying "I quit." The drop (remember, not sudden drop) in subscription number post Incarna release when you examine the another unsubstantiated subscription statistic chart, has always been consistent with other expansions released at similar time periods (seasonal drop & post expansion drop).
Obviously, what the OP and the rest of the WiS proponents are asking is not a complete dedication of CCP in making WiS happen. We want to know if CCP is making some attempt, piece by piece, to bring WiS into reality. Despite all the naysayers' ramblings, there is no doubt that having an actual playable avatar in EVE Online has potential to bring many first-time players into EVE's fold.
Most likely, the last time bittervets actually made the payment for PLEX/subscription was around 2007 or so. Why suit the customer base who contribute so little to CCP financially, when we can tap cash-cows/fresh breeds of players who will actually pay in cash to subscribe the game? |
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Flamespar
Woof Club
589
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Posted - 2013.05.03 23:34:00 -
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Dear CCP. Please deliver WiS so we can all move on. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
367
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Posted - 2013.05.03 23:36:00 -
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All I want is station games with lots of poker tables at Jita. Also strippers. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Geosunmu
Hektar Holdings
0
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Posted - 2013.05.04 00:27:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Bolow Santosi wrote:Arduemont wrote: This is you declaring that most people don't care about WiS. A statement that requires backing up. "I don't care about WiS" would have been an opinion.
I guess the summer of rage, a significant drop in subscriptions, and an emergency summit of the CSM to unfuck Incarna was just everything else but WiS and not a response to it. The community spoke 2 years ago and it was a pretty loud " No". But it did not garner much awesome and amazing publicity as your Mittani the Great's awesome rambling during the Alliance Panel. Some claim that Incarna almost "killed EVE's playerbase" but there is nothing to substantiate such fact except dozens of angry posts saying "I quit." The drop (remember, not sudden drop) in subscription number post Incarna release when you examine the another unsubstantiated subscription statistic chart, has always been consistent with other expansions released at similar time periods (seasonal drop & post expansion drop). Obviously, what the OP and the rest of the WiS proponents are asking is not a complete dedication of CCP in making WiS happen. We want to know if CCP is making some attempt, piece by piece, to bring WiS into reality. Despite all the naysayers' ramblings, there is no doubt that having an actual playable avatar in EVE Online has potential to bring many first-time players into EVE's fold. Most likely, the last time bittervets actually made the payment for PLEX/subscription was around 2007 or so. Why suit the customer base who contribute so little to CCP financially, when we can tap cash-cows/fresh breeds of players who will actually pay in cash to subscribe the game? EVE could continue to be great sticking to pure spaceship genre, but EVE could achieve SO MUCH MORE with additional cash-inflows from those who are enticed by EVE's WiS contents. More cashflow means more contents for you too, bittervets.
Dangerous line of thinking but you're correct about the vets and boat loads of people plexed into the next decade. IMO they need to drain the economy and ramp up the anti-bot war effort.
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
819
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Posted - 2013.05.04 00:36:00 -
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Oh hey, another WiS thread descended into pie-in-the-sky circlejerkery among the same 20 knobs.
Shocker.
I have never seen a group mix so much enthusiasm with so little effective advocacy...well, no group of supposed adults anyway...
Perhaps the majority of WiS forum warriors are children. |
Kazur Nemic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.04 00:47:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Kimberly Menage wrote: Hello,
So... I saw on you tube the videos of fan feast and saw they were talking about were the game is heading . I just had to ask is walking around in station done and over with ???
is it a dead horse and we should stop even talking about it? its never going to happen? whats going on with it ? Most likely it's dead, yes. The summer of rage broke CCP's collective spine and now they're so terrified of even mentioning WiS that I just don't see it happening for at least half a decade or more. Now, we the players who support WiS, could throw a temper tantrum just like the spaceship kiddies did two summers ago, and try to force CCP in a new direction. But frankly I don't think we're that childish. Which is tragic. Because avatar gameplay is the future of EVE. Look at the last two years - it was 100% FiS. Did the game grow? Not much. If EVE continues with this 100% FiS, it'll just continue to stagnate, with minimal growth. And all this after they spent SOOOO much time and effort and manpower to create the engine and the character creator and the NEX store and all that stuff. To abandon it now, just one or two steps short of meaningful avatar gameplay, in light of all that work that was done on it, is simply tragic. No other word for it. But I admit I could be looking at it the wrong way. What I mean is, in a year or two games like Star Citizen, Elite, etc., will start to come out. Games that will do "ships in space fighting" part a lot better than EVE. I'm talking good physics engine, combat based on player skill rather than character skill, difficult/impossible to multi-box, no Pay2Win, with strong avatar support to boot (avatars dynamically showing wear and tear of combat, including scars, missing limbs, etc.) Once that happens, and EVE subs start to go down, CCP might have to wake up and finally start to react. I really feel the last 10 years with near-zero competition really allowed them to adopt this relaxed "we do what we feel like" attitude. Once it becomes obvious that they have to adapt or perish, things might improve. Until then, all we can do is sit and wait. Maybe take a break from the game for a bit. There's nothing in Odyssey that interests me, so I'm planning to take a vacation until the winter expansion at least. dark heartt wrote:You didn't come for WIS (unless you thought this was Star Trek Online), you came for the spaceships content. Actually, a lot of people came because of the promise of WiS, back when CCP was releasing videos of avatar gameplay with the old engine, before they decided to build Carbon. I personally know several people who didn't give a flying hoo-ha about spaceships, but who would have loved it if the game turned into a full-fledges sci-fi sim. As CCP said repeatedly was their long-term goal from day one. And there's a ton of people playing EVE right now who don't give a hoot about spaceships. They play to trade, build, etc. If you could trade between regions without traveling, they probably wouldn't even click the undock button in years. Folks REALLY need to stop paining all EVE players with the same tarred brush.
I'm one of those people that came back to eve becuase of captians quarters and stayed becuase I can relate to a human character, not a chunk of flying space metal. They need to finish WiS if they ever hope to attract more people to the game. I may be only one person, but I'm sure out of the billions in the world, there are more then likely thousands that feel the same way I do that if I'm going to play a MMORPG that I have to be able to relate to the character I'm playing. Why else would in the majority of MMO's are the most played races the ones that are human or look the most human. Its because we can relate best to them, and imagine ourselves in their shoes, living that life of adventure. |
Sapphire Aurora
Glass Cannons
6
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Posted - 2013.05.04 00:49:00 -
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To be honest, I hope we're done with WiS for good. All it really turned out to be was forced beta testing for World of Darkness.
If I want to walk around and backstab people, there are about forty MMOs I can do that in as a rogue class. We don't need it here. I hope CCP stays on the track they're on now: using the money from Eve's paying customer base to expand and improve the internet spaceships of Eve Online, period. |
Kazur Nemic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.05.04 01:39:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:Velicitia wrote:You're not old enough... This is an important point. I highly doubt WiS would have the negative connotations it does if even what little was released had not been done so with everything that came with it, as you described. For example, if the odyssey changes had also come with the additional baggage that WiS did, then those would become pariah subjects for the next x amount of years, just by association. For WiS to gain wider acceptance it either needs a clear and decisive vision articulated that disassociates it from the previous disaster or to simply wait until people get over Incarna as a whole and WiS by association. I often feel the need to disagree with you on principle, because you often put a lot of effort into purposefully being an ass. But you make a great deal of sense in this post. Liked and quoted for the truth. CCP has been showing footage of WiS stuff since 2006. They had what looked like a complete system with lobbies, captains quarters (larger than we have now), bars and mini-games and all kinds of other stuff that they were showing even then. I can find you the old trailers. They originally called it "Ambulation". It was made using the unreal engine and dropped for who knows why. Links below; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n41s1Iox18Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzy7DG8VR2sEdit: Also, this is the first part of a long long fanfest presentation from years ago showing the gameplay. If your patient it's worth a watch just to see what they abandoned. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY9H01upg00
Wow that is amazing, they really need to finish that work which they started, I would never stop playing Eve for sure if they finished that |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
369
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Posted - 2013.05.04 01:41:00 -
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Why so negative people? They already have WiS to where you can walk around in your office. Might as well unlock the door since they spent all that time getting to this point anyways.
I mean who isn't ready for all the cybering that will ensue once avatars can get their dirty paws on each other. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
323
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Posted - 2013.05.04 01:44:00 -
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Like the Dodo. Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him? |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep Nyratic
173
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Posted - 2013.05.04 03:36:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:dark heartt wrote:You didn't come for WIS (unless you thought this was Star Trek Online), you came for the spaceships content. Actually, a lot of people came because of the promise of WiS, back when CCP was releasing videos of avatar gameplay with the old engine, before they decided to build Carbon. I personally know several people who didn't give a flying hoo-ha about spaceships, but who would have loved it if the game turned into a full-fledges sci-fi sim. As CCP said repeatedly was their long-term goal from day one. And there's a ton of people playing EVE right now who don't give a hoot about spaceships. They play to trade, build, etc. If you could trade between regions without traveling, they probably wouldn't even click the undock button in years. Folks REALLY need to stop paining all EVE players with the same tarred brush.
I trade myself, and I do a good portion of it from within my station that I barely leave, so please don't try to make out that I must be one of those leet pvp types who hates carebears. However, you don't come to a game about flying spaceships without the expectation that you can fly a damn spaceship. I don't paint everyone with the same brush, however WIS shouldn't be the focus in a game about flying spaceships. It is illogical and against what the games true focus is.
CCP have been talking about avatar gameplay for years, but when they actually tried it, the attempt was so hamfisted that a good portion of the playerbase just unsubscribed. They made more people angry about Incarna then they did interest new players, so they focused back onto the spaceships part of the content, and Eve so far has been far better for it.
As for where it goes, I have no issues with them working on the WIS content, so long as they don't lose focus like they did when Incarna came out and continue to iterate and develop the spaceships part of this spaceship game. Bienator II: "You can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose."
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Frying Doom
2460
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Posted - 2013.05.04 03:48:00 -
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dark heartt wrote:Jame Jarl Retief wrote:dark heartt wrote:You didn't come for WIS (unless you thought this was Star Trek Online), you came for the spaceships content. Actually, a lot of people came because of the promise of WiS, back when CCP was releasing videos of avatar gameplay with the old engine, before they decided to build Carbon. I personally know several people who didn't give a flying hoo-ha about spaceships, but who would have loved it if the game turned into a full-fledges sci-fi sim. As CCP said repeatedly was their long-term goal from day one. And there's a ton of people playing EVE right now who don't give a hoot about spaceships. They play to trade, build, etc. If you could trade between regions without traveling, they probably wouldn't even click the undock button in years. Folks REALLY need to stop paining all EVE players with the same tarred brush. I trade myself, and I do a good portion of it from within my station that I barely leave, so please don't try to make out that I must be one of those leet pvp types who hates carebears. However, you don't come to a game about flying spaceships without the expectation that you can fly a damn spaceship. I don't paint everyone with the same brush, however WIS shouldn't be the focus in a game about flying spaceships. It is illogical and against what the games true focus is. CCP have been talking about avatar gameplay for years, but when they actually tried it, the attempt was so hamfisted that a good portion of the playerbase just unsubscribed. They made more people angry about Incarna then they did interest new players, so they focused back onto the spaceships part of the content, and Eve so far has been far better for it. As for where it goes, I have no issues with them working on the WIS content, so long as they don't lose focus like they did when Incarna came out and continue to iterate and develop the spaceships part of this spaceship game. I personally looked into EvE, as a website said it was the closest thing to a current version of Elite. I got hooked on the WiS videos they released and decided to stay, as it looked really good.
But to be honest they wasted so much money burning out peoples video cards, for 1 room with a door that does not open, I hope it never sees the light of day again.
They had their chance and they blew it in a really massive way. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Castor Narcissus
Limited Liability
17
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Posted - 2013.05.04 03:52:00 -
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I would want a pseudo WiS where I could play poker for ISK in game or that mini game they showed in an old demo.
Either way I would prefer they just told us if they have scrapped it already or it's just on hold with or w/o a team working on it.
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
189
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Posted - 2013.05.04 03:54:00 -
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Lets be clear on something:
CCP never released Walking In Stations.
They released Sitting In Quarters. |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
371
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Posted - 2013.05.04 03:57:00 -
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Well if it was officially dead they would have said so. Unofficially.... It seems they haven't made up their mind "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1389
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Posted - 2013.05.04 09:33:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Oh hey, another WiS thread descended into pie-in-the-sky circlejerkery among the same 20 knobs.
Shocker.
I have never seen a group mix so much enthusiasm with so little effective advocacy...well, no group of supposed adults anyway...
Perhaps the majority of WiS forum warriors are children.
And that's just the pro WiS crowd. Wait until you get a load of the anit-WiS warriors. Also your an ass hole. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Lost True
Paradise project
2170
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Posted - 2013.05.04 13:03:00 -
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o well, posting to support WiS... in 2007 i've thought it's a sci-fi simulator, not an "e-sports" game. I'm not a teenager, how would i like it much? [-á-¦-¦-Ç-â-é-+-+-¦] -£-¦-¦-+-+-+-¦ -¦-+-Ç-+-+-Ç-¦-å-+-Å Transtellar |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
820
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Posted - 2013.05.04 14:37:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:And that's just the pro WiS crowd. Wait until you get a load of the anit-WiS warriors. Also your an ass hole.
Fortunately for the anti-WiS crowd, they don't need to advocate effectively, as the plans for WiS at this moment are "nothing this year; maybe we'll talk next year". The pro-WiS crowd doesn't have that luxury, while the anti-pro-crowd just get to laugh at your earnest impotence.
Instead of looking to collectively articulate a coherent and consistent vision for WiS that addresses the concerns and objections of those who either don't support it or are outright against it, you will continue to make circle-jerking threads among an insular and limited crowd based on anecdotal evidence, pie-in-the-sky visions of subscription boosts for following some amorphous plan, and chickenlittlist doomcalling for not doing so. Meanwhile, those of us with a connection to reality will continue to laugh at you, until the point, if it ever comes, that WiS moves naturally back into the realm of commonly accepted discourse. |
Dyphorus
VC Academy
9
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Posted - 2013.05.04 14:53:00 -
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Tired conversation....
Everyone keeps talking about how they can walk around in every other game so, obviously, they should be able to do it here. It's ok for a game to be different, many would even call it a good thing. Play EVE for the space ships, let the devs develop game play that involves space ships. If you really want to walk around go play any one of the 100 MMOs that already support it. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1722
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:01:00 -
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It's pining for the fjords.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
187
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:16:00 -
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dark heartt wrote:Kimberly Menage wrote:its like COME ON its walking every other game and there mama walks in them why not this one about time 10 years and all we do is stand there or walk with a mouse cant even use the keys. Ok, let me tell you a secret. Eve is a spaceships game. It's about flying spaceships. WIS was doomed to failure from the start, and the longer they take to actually work out what needs to be down with it the better. If they do allocate dev time to it, they need to not allow the WIS content to get in the way of the actual spaceship content that EVERYONE came to the game for. You didn't come for WIS (unless you thought this was Star Trek Online), you came for the spaceships content. No I didn't. And never presume you can speak for everyone or even a majority of people in EvE.
I came to this game because it is set in a Science Fiction universe. Which off course ( it being SF) happens to have spaceships flying around. I stayed for the long time dream advocated by CCP that it would eventually would evolve into a fully fledged SF game in every way possible. Including WIS. Not for the sole purpose of being able to walk around or 'play' with avatars, but because it is a part of the whole SF experience.
I for one would eventually want to see WIS further developed and implemented into EvE. And up until CCP states WIS is of the table, there is still hope. Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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