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Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
8150
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Posted - 2013.05.03 17:37:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Phoenix Jones wrote:Manny Moons wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:...Interesting idea. Compromise a ganker insta undock, then park one of the assorted ECM boats there, with rsebo support. Load the mids up with points, then have a blast when the gank squad lands on the bookmark. Oh no - that may be the end of the New Order ganking division! There's only one thing I can think of that might save us, and that's the fact that it would take a teensy bit of effort to pull off. Well instead of ranting I will say this. It is odd that their is this "Impunity" that players who ruin their sec status have. It is a bit rediculous that they can run back to a station, refit a ship, and suicide it again, and again.. and again... and again...... and again...... and again.......................................and again................................................... and again........................................and again. It is a bit lopsided. What's lopsided is the meatheads in high sec who can't stop outlaws even though the strongest NPCs in the game are on their side. Wanna beat an outlaw in high sec?....fit a few points on a fast locking ship...that's it the cops will do the rest. That would require effort and prior planning.... A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
975
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Posted - 2013.05.03 17:37:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Some Rando wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:They should remove insta-kill concord FTFY If you want to watch Eve die then sure. E: Obligatory Eve has been dying since XXXX. tbh it'd be a pretty damn funny death. CCP has no sense of humour. |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
366
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Posted - 2013.05.03 17:59:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:Some Rando wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:They should remove insta-kill concord FTFY If you want to watch Eve die then sure. E: Obligatory Eve has been dying since XXXX. tbh it'd be a pretty damn funny death.
I for one can't wait for EVE to go F2P where it gets all its income through avatar items. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
154
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Posted - 2013.05.03 18:14:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:baltec1 wrote:Quote: Uggh people and their never ending ability trying to justify a broken game mechanic or flaw just because it can be done. People that exploit this in game do so on alts preciously because of the fall out they This should be changed so you may adapt and survive some more.
What exploit? What broken game mechanic? Indeed. CCP specifically designed the game mechanics to allow for suicide ganking, and have fine tuned them repeatedly over the years to keep the balance how they want it to be. They intend for suicide ganking to be possible, and to be able to have characters dedicated to it. Their stance is that it should not be inherently profitable unless the target of the gank specifically (and unwisely) fits his ship to be so, and flys it in a careless manner. If there is a problem with suicide ganking being too common and profitable, you need only look as far as the nearest mirror to see who is to blame. LoL this is what I truly admire from you guys, feels like arguing with my teenage son, same mentality. You find a mechanic that you don't like and cry for mommy to fix it your way. In this case the mechanic is the -10 standings and the consequences from ganking and then try to act like what? why would it be wrong to want the mechanics to make me safe rather than committing some brainpower and time to stopping what you don't like. The ability to gank over and over with no repercussions should not be possible and isn't. Killrights and outlaw status have severe penalties in high sec. The very fact that you have to have a dedicated alt three times removed should make this point even more obvious. Your hiding behind a stupid analogy to be a carebear.
Fixed that for ya....christ....you're someone's dad?
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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
149
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Posted - 2013.05.03 18:31:00 -
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You want to know why we get away with ganking again...and again...and again with -10 sec status? LOLore, the factions really don't care about capsuleers, nor like us too much. We're quite abit more powerful than the regular fleets, much richer (I've heard lorespeak that the typical dirtsider could live comfortably for their entire lives on 1-100 ISK), and united, we would tear the empires apart.
Capsuleers and the factions have a very uneasy truce. They stay out of our business, we stay out of theirs. Sure, we run the occasional errand (always through a broker), fight their proxy wars in FW, so they let us dock when we choose in empire. In exchange, we don't tear the empires apart, and live under the convention of the Yulai Accord (that's concord and the aggression mechanics).
It's a mexican standoff. The only thing the empires can do is disconnect us from the clone networks. The second they did that, we as capsuleers would wreak havoc. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
184
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Posted - 2013.05.03 18:33:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
LoL this is what I truly admire from you guys, feels like arguing with my teenage son, same mentality. You find a way to exploit a way around a mechanic. In this case the mechanic is the -10 standings and the consequences from ganking and then try to act like what? What did I do?. Nothing broken. Nothing wrong right?....WRONG
The ability to gank over and over with no repercussions should not be possible.
The very fact that you have to have a dedicated alt three times removed should make this point even more obvious.
Your hiding behind a work around to circumvent the repercussions that should be yours to bear.
Still waiting on you telling us what exactly the exploit is. Also, we are free fire to everything in highsec. Its not our fault you people are so useless you cannot stop an untanked destroyer with the help of faction navies after years of "just one more nerf". Literally they only reason we get away with this is because you let us.
Even when spelled out you will choose to see only that which you want to see. Perhaps first start by learning the definition of the word exploit. ItGÇÖs not my place or desire to educate you batltec. Regardless of the specifics you will choose not to see or acknowledge anything that goes against your specific play style just as others like yourselfGǪ(forum trolls) You know the ones that you and your buddies troll until the topic you do not agree with until it becomes locked.
1.exGÇóploit /ik-êsploit/ Verb Make full use of and derive benefit from
The OP brought up a valid concern effecting game play. As is the mechanic of -10 sec status does not have any negative repercussions for just refitting and undocking over and over. I am sure you feel this fine. Others feel there needs to be some sort of penalty. So those that do this are exploiting the current game mechanics.
If you want to be a pirate then be one but those choices should come at a far greater cost then you currently have.
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baltec1
Bat Country
6193
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Posted - 2013.05.03 19:15:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Even when spelled out you will choose to see only that which you want to see. Perhaps first start by learning the definition of the word exploit. ItGÇÖs not my place or desire to educate you batltec. Regardless of the specifics you will choose not to see or acknowledge anything that goes against your specific play style just as others like yourselfGǪ(forum trolls) You know the ones that you and your buddies troll until the topic you do not agree with until it becomes locked.
1.exGÇóploit /ik-êsploit/ Verb Make full use of and derive benefit from
The OP brought up a valid concern effecting game play. As is the mechanic of -10 sec status does not have any negative repercussions for just refitting and undocking over and over. I am sure you feel this fine. Others feel there needs to be some sort of penalty. So those that do this are exploiting the current game mechanics.
If you want to be a pirate then be one but those choices should come at a far greater cost then you currently have.
Great you gave me the definition of the word.
Now how about telling what we are exploiting exactly? Given that exploiting exploits in game is a bannable offence I have a vested interest in knowing what it is I am exploiting.
As for the lack of punishment. How exactly is being open to attack from everyone, attacked by faction police on site, open to attack by station and gate guns, showing up as flashy red in bot local and on everyones overview as well as getting our ship blown out from under us and camped by concord for15 minutes as well as generating a killright on our head redeemable by anyone at any time not a punishment? |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
784
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Posted - 2013.05.03 19:24:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:If you want to be a pirate then be one but those choices should come at a far greater cost then you currently have. I'd like to hear your suggestion.
Oh god. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13990
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Posted - 2013.05.03 19:27:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:[Perhaps first start by learning the definition of the word exploit. Yes, please do Go to the EULA/TOS section of this site and find the definition there because it is the only one that matters.
Quote:The ability to gank over and over with no repercussions should not be possible. First of all, it isn't. Secondly, even if it were, why should it not be?
Quote:As is the mechanic of -10 sec status does not have any negative repercussions for just refitting and undocking over and over. Sure it does. The GÇ£problemGÇ¥ (which isn't really the right word, but let's go with it for now) is that a large portion of those repercussions are meant to be delivered by other players. If those players decide to give the outlaws a free pass and void that penalty, then that's their choice and not something that's wrong with the game.
Quote:If you want to be a pirate then be one but those choices should come at a far greater cost then you currently have. It already does if you, personally, choose to make it so. Your decision not to and to make it free for them isn't the pirates' problem. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
184
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Posted - 2013.05.03 19:43:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Even when spelled out you will choose to see only that which you want to see. Perhaps first start by learning the definition of the word exploit. ItGÇÖs not my place or desire to educate you batltec. Regardless of the specifics you will choose not to see or acknowledge anything that goes against your specific play style just as others like yourselfGǪ(forum trolls) You know the ones that you and your buddies troll until the topic you do not agree with until it becomes locked.
1.exGÇóploit /ik-êsploit/ Verb Make full use of and derive benefit from
The OP brought up a valid concern effecting game play. As is the mechanic of -10 sec status does not have any negative repercussions for just refitting and undocking over and over. I am sure you feel this fine. Others feel there needs to be some sort of penalty. So those that do this are exploiting the current game mechanics.
If you want to be a pirate then be one but those choices should come at a far greater cost then you currently have.
Great you gave me the definition of the word. Now how about telling what we are exploiting exactly? Given that exploiting exploits in game is a bannable offence I have a vested interest in knowing what it is I am exploiting. As for the lack of punishment. How exactly is being open to attack from everyone, attacked by faction police on site, open to attack by station and gate guns, showing up as flashy red in bot local and on everyones overview as well as getting our ship blown out from under us and camped by concord for15 minutes as well as generating a killright on our head redeemable by anyone at any time not a punishment?
Called it in my very first sentence.
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baltec1
Bat Country
6193
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Posted - 2013.05.03 19:47:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Called it in my very first sentence.
I see no explanation of the exploit in any of your sentences.
Shall I take your refusal to post what the exploit is as an admission that there is, infact, no exploit and that you simply lied? |
Sentamon
875
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:14:00 -
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Gankers facing any sort of risk is the running joke of eve online. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
366
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:18:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Shall I take your refusal to post what the exploit is as an admission that there is, infact, no exploit and that you simply lied?
If I said there was a 50% chance of me lying would it help the situation? "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
baltec1
Bat Country
6193
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:23:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:baltec1 wrote:Shall I take your refusal to post what the exploit is as an admission that there is, infact, no exploit and that you simply lied? If I said there was a 50% chance of me lying would it help the situation?
Lets flip a coin on this. |
WTFAMILOOKINGAT
Horizon Research Group
38
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:33:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:baltec1 wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Even when spelled out you will choose to see only that which you want to see. Perhaps first start by learning the definition of the word exploit. ItGÇÖs not my place or desire to educate you batltec. Regardless of the specifics you will choose not to see or acknowledge anything that goes against your specific play style just as others like yourselfGǪ(forum trolls) You know the ones that you and your buddies troll until the topic you do not agree with until it becomes locked.
1.exGÇóploit /ik-êsploit/ Verb Make full use of and derive benefit from
The OP brought up a valid concern effecting game play. As is the mechanic of -10 sec status does not have any negative repercussions for just refitting and undocking over and over. I am sure you feel this fine. Others feel there needs to be some sort of penalty. So those that do this are exploiting the current game mechanics.
If you want to be a pirate then be one but those choices should come at a far greater cost then you currently have.
Great you gave me the definition of the word. Now how about telling what we are exploiting exactly? Given that exploiting exploits in game is a bannable offence I have a vested interest in knowing what it is I am exploiting. As for the lack of punishment. How exactly is being open to attack from everyone, attacked by faction police on site, open to attack by station and gate guns, showing up as flashy red in bot local and on everyones overview as well as getting our ship blown out from under us and camped by concord for15 minutes as well as generating a killright on our head redeemable by anyone at any time not a punishment? Called it in my very first sentence.
Nice way to not have to support your argument I suppose.... |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
248
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Posted - 2013.05.03 22:20:00 -
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Topic cleaned of some of topic and trolling posts. And moved to Features & Ideas Discussion as the OP is effectively proposing game mechanic changes. ISD Ezwal Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Felsusguy
Archimedes RD Company
122
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Posted - 2013.05.03 22:47:00 -
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It would be interesting if CONCORD responded faster to crimes the lower your security status is, but anything more is gamebreaking (perhaps even faster response times is). How droll. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14731
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:41:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:baltec1 wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Even when spelled out you will choose to see only that which you want to see. Perhaps first start by learning the definition of the word exploit. ItGÇÖs not my place or desire to educate you batltec. Regardless of the specifics you will choose not to see or acknowledge anything that goes against your specific play style just as others like yourselfGǪ(forum trolls) You know the ones that you and your buddies troll until the topic you do not agree with until it becomes locked.
1.exGÇóploit /ik-êsploit/ Verb Make full use of and derive benefit from
The OP brought up a valid concern effecting game play. As is the mechanic of -10 sec status does not have any negative repercussions for just refitting and undocking over and over. I am sure you feel this fine. Others feel there needs to be some sort of penalty. So those that do this are exploiting the current game mechanics.
If you want to be a pirate then be one but those choices should come at a far greater cost then you currently have.
Great you gave me the definition of the word. Now how about telling what we are exploiting exactly? Given that exploiting exploits in game is a bannable offence I have a vested interest in knowing what it is I am exploiting. As for the lack of punishment. How exactly is being open to attack from everyone, attacked by faction police on site, open to attack by station and gate guns, showing up as flashy red in bot local and on everyones overview as well as getting our ship blown out from under us and camped by concord for15 minutes as well as generating a killright on our head redeemable by anyone at any time not a punishment? Called it in my very first sentence. But you didn't. You merely keep repeating that there is some sort of exploit. So far, I've not seen one. Being as -5 and below players can be shot anywhere any time, the OP is somewhat lacking an argument.
As far as the definition of the word exploit is concerned: The only one that matters in this regard, is the one that CCP assigns to it. Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
355
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Posted - 2013.05.04 16:24:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:The Devs stated long ago that they will never lock anyone out of any section of space. This includes use of the immortal unbeatable space police.
I recommend one dose of HTFU every 8 hours, repeat as needed.
Also, show us on the doll where the ganker touched you. devs are dumb,so are you |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
355
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Posted - 2013.05.04 16:29:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:scarify ardonn wrote: without punishment. Getting their ship blown up isn't punishment? yup it isnt |
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14731
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Posted - 2013.05.04 17:59:00 -
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Naomi Knight wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:The Devs stated long ago that they will never lock anyone out of any section of space. This includes use of the immortal unbeatable space police.
I recommend one dose of HTFU every 8 hours, repeat as needed.
Also, show us on the doll where the ganker touched you. oh god devs can be wrong , actually they are doing many stupid things , like this one btw you wouldnt be locked out just killed on site Anyone -5 and below can already be killed on site. But this means that players have to do the killing. Anyone would think this is an MMO. Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Yolo
Dominion of Inter-Celestial Kings Tribal Band
20
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Posted - 2013.05.04 23:54:00 -
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When CONCORD is out for you, docking should be disabled. This would vastly limit the movement and operation of low-sec pilots and have the much more engaged in clearing their name so to speak. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14732
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Posted - 2013.05.05 01:37:00 -
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Yolo wrote:When CONCORD is out for you, docking should be disabled. This would vastly limit the movement and operation of low-sec pilots and have the much more engaged in clearing their name so to speak. As luck would have it, docking is already disabled when Concord is 'out for you'. It's also a bannable offence to avoid Concord, when they are 'out for you'.
Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Devil Dodger
Cult of Escobar
27
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Posted - 2013.05.05 06:57:00 -
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I wonder which one of the egg poachers got the OP..CBA to check the killboards.
As a permanent -10.0 highsec resident I can say dealing with faction police and the occasional higsec instalock camper is punishment enough. You definitely do not operate with impunity as you can be killed any time; provided the player is up to the task.
EDIT: Also higsec podding is very hard on the wallet and suicide thrashers cost 2.6 million isk to fit. Donations appreciated. Taint your character forever :D Support my implant marketing campaign: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1903853#post1903853 Our customer list: http://poachers.mindflood.org/ |
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