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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.05.07 15:51:00 -
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Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:The point being that if you actually did go through the whole massive plex busting offensive once (or twice, or maybe a third time like the rest of us) you wouldn't have such fond memories of a ridiculously soul sucking mechanic. Yet another non-sequitur from XG. Your dismissal of this one result of the previous system is damning enough. Seriously. |
Defying
Hateful Munitions Totally Consensual
13
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Posted - 2013.05.07 16:03:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:The point being that if you actually did go through the whole massive plex busting offensive once (or twice, or maybe a third time like the rest of us) you wouldn't have such fond memories of a ridiculously soul sucking mechanic. Yet another non-sequitur from XG. Your dismissal of this one result of the previous system is damning enough. Seriously.
Don't worry XG, I love yeah bro! I see where your coming from! |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
183
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Posted - 2013.05.07 16:06:00 -
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cearain wrote:edit: BTW as far as doing the tier 4 cashout instead of waiting I was very much against it and still believe we should have pushed longer to hit tier 5 forcing minnies to plex for no lp.
The minnies were hoping you hit t5 too bcos like 90% of them had an amarr alt waiting for shiney battleships ;) .... the bunkers were all in place tho after nulli stopped bashing them the amarr couldve flipped the last few if they had formed up they wouldnt have had much minnie resistance as i said minnies wanted to cash out with there amarr alts too GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
935
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Posted - 2013.05.07 16:11:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:The point being that if you actually did go through the whole massive plex busting offensive once (or twice, or maybe a third time like the rest of us) you wouldn't have such fond memories of a ridiculously soul sucking mechanic. Yet another non-sequitur from XG. Your dismissal of this one result of the previous system is damning enough. Seriously.
You inability to understand that bunker busting is distinct from a cashout pay system, makes it clear you are beyond reason. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
183
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Posted - 2013.05.07 16:15:00 -
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Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:The point being that if you actually did go through the whole massive plex busting offensive once (or twice, or maybe a third time like the rest of us) you wouldn't have such fond memories of a ridiculously soul sucking mechanic. Yet another non-sequitur from XG. Your dismissal of this one result of the previous system is damning enough. Seriously. You inability to understand that bunker busting is distinct from a cashout pay system, makes it clear you are beyond reason.
I think hes implying inferno was nice and dandy for you cashing in but not putting ne work in to get those tier levels... While others had to slog for it doing ehp grinds GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
935
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Posted - 2013.05.07 16:18:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:cearain wrote:edit: BTW as far as doing the tier 4 cashout instead of waiting I was very much against it and still believe we should have pushed longer to hit tier 5 forcing minnies to plex for no lp.
The minnies were hoping you hit t5 too bcos like 90% of them had an amarr alt waiting for shiney battleships ;) .... the bunkers were all in place tho after nulli stopped bashing them the amarr couldve flipped the last few if they had formed up they wouldnt have had much minnie resistance as i said minnies wanted to cash out with there amarr alts too
I am quoting this as more proof you have no clue what your are talking about, but will still just make stuff up and post it.
For new people who may not know that Alucard just completely makes stuff up and posts it:
The amarr did not have enough systems vulnerable to hit tier 5 when nulli started or finished their ihub bashing. So no they weren't just sitting there. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
935
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Posted - 2013.05.07 16:22:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:The point being that if you actually did go through the whole massive plex busting offensive once (or twice, or maybe a third time like the rest of us) you wouldn't have such fond memories of a ridiculously soul sucking mechanic. Yet another non-sequitur from XG. Your dismissal of this one result of the previous system is damning enough. Seriously. You inability to understand that bunker busting is distinct from a cashout pay system, makes it clear you are beyond reason. I think hes implying inferno was nice and dandy for you cashing in but not putting ne work in to get those tier levels... While others had to slog for it doing ehp grinds all you saw was oooooooohhh iskies \o/ ..... No wonder you look back on it so fondly imo ur no worse than a rabbit farmer
Nope I mean the ehp grinds are still here even though the cashout system we discussed is gone. Ehp grinds can be completely distinct from a cashout pay system.
It seems you and XG are incapable of understanding this. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Defying
Hateful Munitions Totally Consensual
13
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Posted - 2013.05.07 16:38:00 -
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No what, I think they are trying to say is that they are kind of tired of some of the random none sense that you are spouting at people....
WE DON'T WANT CASH OUT SYSTEM! WE WANT PVP! Cash out system does not have pvp... everyone just plexes for their lives with cloaked stabbed atrons, and then when cash out comes they donate..... and make isk..... NO PVP.
If you are going to make isk in FW you should HAVE TO pvp.... This is FACTIONAL WARFARE, not FACTIONAL LOTTERY |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
935
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Posted - 2013.05.07 17:00:00 -
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Defying wrote:
No what, I think they are trying to say is that they are kind of tired of some of the random none sense that you are spouting at people....
... Cash out system does not have pvp... everyone just plexes for their lives with cloaked stabbed atrons, and then when cash out comes they donate..... and make isk..... NO PVP.
Well then your are spouting out nonesense as well. Because that is what I said. How we get our lp either from a cashout system or the current one does not create pvp. It's a seperate issue.
Defying wrote: If you are going to make isk in FW you should HAVE TO pvp.... This is FACTIONAL WARFARE, not FACTIONAL LOTTERY
You are spouting more of the same nonesense I am.
Just a suggestion: Perhaps you should take the time to get an understanding of the positions people are taking, before you come out swinging at them. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Defying
Hateful Munitions Totally Consensual
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:28:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Defying wrote:
No what, I think they are trying to say is that they are kind of tired of some of the random none sense that you are spouting at people....
... Cash out system does not have pvp... everyone just plexes for their lives with cloaked stabbed atrons, and then when cash out comes they donate..... and make isk..... NO PVP.
Well then your are spouting out nonesense as well. Because that is what I said. How we get our lp either from a cashout system or the current one does not create pvp. It's a seperate issue. Defying wrote: If you are going to make isk in FW you should HAVE TO pvp.... This is FACTIONAL WARFARE, not FACTIONAL LOTTERY
You are spouting more of the same nonesense I am. Just a suggestion: Perhaps you should take the time to get an understanding of the positions people are taking, before you come out swinging at them.
Reread posts.....
Agreed, I am ********... you heard it here.. first... esk..
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but yeah, our ISK needs to be earned through pvp .. |
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
935
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:57:00 -
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Defying wrote:
but yeah, our ISK needs to be earned through pvp ..
I would even settle for sov being earned through pvp. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
581
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Posted - 2013.05.07 19:12:00 -
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Cearain wrote:
At what point in time was it smart for amarr to bust ihubs? Really try to think about that one ok.
At the point where amarrs happy accumulation of vulnerable minmatar systems began to be swung by minmatars amarr alts allowing minmatar to farm these new amarr systems back to vulnerable and deny them as part of amarrs tier push.
Try reading this a few times to let it sink in. It seems to have been far too complicated for you so far given your interpretation of these events in previous posts.
Nulli had 2 choices, make their own minmatar alts to swing these systems back and then farm them back to vuln so they rejoin their tier push, in the hopes they can do this faster than matar, or push for system and only get tier 4.
I think they made the right choice. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
935
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:24:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cearain wrote:
At what point in time was it smart for amarr to bust ihubs? Really try to think about that one ok.
At the point where amarrs happy accumulation of vulnerable minmatar systems began to be swung by minmatars amarr alts allowing minmatar to farm these new amarr systems back to vulnerable and deny them as part of amarrs tier push. Try reading this a few times to let it sink in. It seems to have been far too complicated for you so far given your interpretation of these events in previous posts. Nulli had 2 choices, make their own minmatar alts to swing these systems back and then farm them back to vuln so they rejoin their tier push, in the hopes they can do this faster than matar otherwise matar would just bush the systems during tier push and deny them as part of the t5 push, or push for system and only get tier 4. I think they made the right choice.
No that was not why they made the decision they did. Nice try to reinvent history to suit your warped views though. Please provide a link to a contemporaneous blog or post where someone said amarr stopped at tier 4 because minmatar were flipping the systems. I expect your response will be the same as your friend Alucard. No link or support for your view.
Here is a contemporaneous blog about why we cashed out at tier 4. I dont' agree with everything he says but he does try to list all the reasons why nulli might have stopped at tier 4. And no no mention of minmatar having amarr alts flip systems is mentioned.
http://cry-moar.blogspot.com/2012/08/nullibros-and-great-tier-4-cashout.html
Feel free to read the comments as well. You wont see anyone giving your revisionist history explanation of why they stopped at tier 4.
Seriously you gallente forum warriors can't seperate your imagination from reality. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
582
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:29:00 -
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Cearain wrote:
Here is a contemporaneous blog about why we cashed out at tier 4. I dont' agree with everything he says but he does try to list all the reasons why nulli might have stopped at tier 4. And no no mention of minmatar having amarr alts flip systems is mentioned.
Then its a very incomplete take on events. While you are reading some shady blog im on comms and in DnD/FATE fleets with one of the most influential members of minmatar militia before he joined W-BR. Keep flaunting your ignorance though.
As for the comments, i guess there are quite a few people as ill informed as you. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
935
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:35:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cearain wrote:
Here is a contemporaneous blog about why we cashed out at tier 4. I dont' agree with everything he says but he does try to list all the reasons why nulli might have stopped at tier 4. And no no mention of minmatar having amarr alts flip systems is mentioned.
Then its a very incomplete take on events. While you are reading some shady blog im on comms and in DnD/FATE fleets with one of the most influential members of minmatar militia before he joined W-BR. Keep flaunting your ignorance though. As for the comments, i guess there are quite a few people as ill informed as you.
Then maybe this person can give you a link to a contemporaneous report that suggests what you said was actually the reason nulli gave up at tier 4?
LOL not likely. Just more gallente imagination that you want to call reality. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
582
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:37:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cearain wrote:
Here is a contemporaneous blog about why we cashed out at tier 4. I dont' agree with everything he says but he does try to list all the reasons why nulli might have stopped at tier 4. And no no mention of minmatar having amarr alts flip systems is mentioned.
Then its a very incomplete take on events. While you are reading some shady blog im on comms and in DnD/FATE fleets with one of the most influential members of minmatar militia before he joined W-BR. Keep flaunting your ignorance though. As for the comments, i guess there are quite a few people as ill informed as you. Then maybe this person can give you a link to a contemporaneous report that suggests what you said was actually the reason nulli gave up at tier 4? LOL not likely. Just more gallente imagination that you want to call reality.
Doesnt really matter if you believe it. It is what it was. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
935
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:40:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cearain wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cearain wrote:
Here is a contemporaneous blog about why we cashed out at tier 4. I dont' agree with everything he says but he does try to list all the reasons why nulli might have stopped at tier 4. And no no mention of minmatar having amarr alts flip systems is mentioned.
Then its a very incomplete take on events. While you are reading some shady blog im on comms and in DnD/FATE fleets with one of the most influential members of minmatar militia before he joined W-BR. Keep flaunting your ignorance though. As for the comments, i guess there are quite a few people as ill informed as you. Then maybe this person can give you a link to a contemporaneous report that suggests what you said was actually the reason nulli gave up at tier 4? LOL not likely. Just more gallente imagination that you want to call reality. Doesnt really matter if you believe it. It is what it was.
In other words you can't find a single contemporaneous link or post that says nulli stopped at tier 4 for the reasons you give.
Why am I not surprised? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
183
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:41:00 -
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cearain wrote: The amarr did not have enough systems vulnerable to hit tier 5 when nulli started or finished their ihub bashing. So no they weren't just sitting there.
I was in minmatar militia at the time with an amarr alt ready to cash out and yes there were enough systems in place nulli was sick of grinding and amarrs coulda picked it up. There was even alt corps set up to flip amarrs bunkers for them at first. ever shot an i hub with nothing but a few dessies.. i have its no fun hahahaha GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
231
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:17:00 -
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For the record some of us did make amarr alt's, just to flip systems |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
935
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:21:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:cearain wrote: The amarr did not have enough systems vulnerable to hit tier 5 when nulli started or finished their ihub bashing. So no they weren't just sitting there.
I was in minmatar militia at the time with an amarr alt ready to cash out and yes there were enough systems in place nulli was sick of grinding and amarrs coulda picked it up grinding a few systems that were practically vuln neway coulda been done in no time.
So you were called out, and now you are changing your story.
I was plexing around ebolfer as were several others from my corp. The minmatar would wait until we left and then dplex it. We were gradually getting the percentage contested higher but it was slow going. How do you think I remembered exactly how much each plex captured would contest a system?
ALUCARD 1208 wrote: That is beside the point the tier system back then was stupidly broken and dogpiled the losers worse then it made ships so crazily priced at the lp store it wasnt worth bothering. Were as now yes it may take you a little longer to gain said lps than your rival but atleast when you do you can make a living enough to plex accounts and pvp because markets are recovering for most races (i know minmatars are broke) so the prices are offset making it much more fairer.
I mean who was going to join the side that it cost 1mill lp or whatever crazy amount it was just for a bs... now yes may take a little longer to get ur lp but pay the same price id call that the cost of losing
Having an occassional tier 4 cashout would be much better for the losing side than this current stagnant and imbalanced system.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
935
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:23:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:For the record some of us did make amarr alt's, just to flip systems
I know minmatar had alts flip labapi in a bunch of destroyers. But that concern was not a reason why amarr stopped at tier 4.
The effectiveness of that strategy was dubious at best. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
231
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:26:00 -
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I know, that's why we didn't flip more. Took to long. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
183
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:51:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:I know, that's why we didn't flip more. Took to long.
Jup was tedoius i just sat the alt in a coercer hit fire and went afk ;)
GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
183
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:58:00 -
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Cearain wrote:ALUCARD 1208 wrote:cearain wrote: The amarr did not have enough systems vulnerable to hit tier 5 when nulli started or finished their ihub bashing. So no they weren't just sitting there.
I was in minmatar militia at the time with an amarr alt ready to cash out and yes there were enough systems in place nulli was sick of grinding and amarrs coulda picked it up grinding a few systems that were practically vuln neway coulda been done in no time. So you were called out, and now you are changing your story. I was plexing around ebolfer as were several others from my corp. The minmatar would wait until we left and then dplex it. We were gradually getting the percentage contested higher but it was slow going. How do you think I remembered exactly how much each plex captured would contest a system?
i never changed my story mate they say practically the same just had to reword it so you could understand it. and my original point stands if amarrs hadnt have got rich during when nulli flipped the sytems and spend all that pent up lp and formed up and gone for the jugular instead of counting there piles of isk they could have pushed it all the way there ships were fovm in null/lowsec at the time and it woulda been worth the work GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
231
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:47:00 -
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@cearean Ebolfer is in Essin so it belongs to TRIAD and we will defend it till we run out of ships. :p |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
935
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Posted - 2013.05.08 00:37:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:@cearean Ebolfer is in Essin so it belongs to TRIAD and we will defend it till we run out of ships. :p
Yes I know you guys do. I was being a bit disgracious when I said "The minmatar would wait until we left and then dplex it." Fact is you guys are mostly Euro time zone and we were us time zone. You weren't waiting for us to leave to plex any more than we were waiting for you to leave.
We seemed to be making slow progress though. I think if we would have kept pushing throughout the warzone we would have gotten the systems needed for tier 5 even without nulli. But nulli started bunker busting and indeed many in the amarr had, had enough for various reasons.
But we did not stop short of tier 5 because we feared minmatar would start flipping our systems. That only happened in Crosi's imagination.
As far as the idea of flipping systems for the enemy, I think that was something simple minded people liked to claim would happen all the time. But when you thought it through they would likely be shooting themselves in the foot.
But even if it occassionally would be a good idea I didn't mind. Sort of like a gambit in chess. The simpletons (who probably wouldn't want gambits to be allowed in chess) cried quite loud though and got their way. Now the system has no nuance or strategy at all. It is indeed dumbed down. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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greg01
Inglorious-Basterds
8
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Posted - 2013.05.08 08:49:00 -
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Interesting points from all sides. Thank you for your contribution. Nevertheless , I have to agree with Crosi, X Gall and and Alucard on most things in this thread.
It seems that certain ppl just get annoyed because they can't make isk at the same rate as the enemy?? The losing side seems to be upset at not getting more lp's for their efforts. Unfortunately that is the nature of the FW beast right now. We attempted to bring Caldari forces together in Enaluri and it worked for a while. Most ppl will agree it was a good time for both sides. Yet again the Caldari can't seem to work together so don't be surprised at remaining on Tier1.
EVERYONE seems to want something done about the farmers, that is everyone but the farmers .
We'll never get rid of farming and why should we.? It seems we just have to make farming plexes by farmers harder.... Timer rollbacks and the 4-5 waves of npc rats introduced again? Apart from that FW is ok!
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Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Vengeance
263
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Posted - 2013.05.08 09:18:00 -
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Removing farming is asking CCP to remove a large portion of their cash cow. No for profit company would do that. The influx of farming alts has increased the amount of subscriptions. OR at the very least the demand for PLEX to keep said farmers alive. Either way CCP gets cash.
Not that I'm saying that's wrong just pointing out the flawed logic of asking CCP to do something that would effect their financial bottom line.
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greg01
Inglorious-Basterds
8
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Posted - 2013.05.08 11:28:00 -
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** I am NOT saying get rid of Farming in Faction Warfare. All I am suggesting is Make it harder for the farmers to take a plex! Make them work to gain the lp's. that is all. |
Lin Suizei
142
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Posted - 2013.05.08 11:33:00 -
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Stalking Mantis wrote:Removing farming is asking CCP to remove a large portion of their cash cow.
"Large" is perhaps an overstatement, you can profitably farm with an alt with barely a week of training, hardly something you'd sub a new account for.
Xeros S*** > are you really suprised? im not here to pvp so why the fuc not Xeros S**** > oh go cry somewhere else, im not in fw for the ****** pvp
Welcome to faction war. |
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