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Ravenclaw2kk
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.04 03:57:00 -
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I am trying to figure out whether it is worth making microprocessors before the change or after the patch, but I am unsure.
Take Photon Microprocessors for example:
Today's build cost is 21,351 isk p/u
After the patch it would be 18,981 isk p/u
However that is assuming that people reacting thulihaf and making gallentium are operating at a loss; i.e. it is just accounting for base build cost of those items. Does anyone have any idea how much markup reacting intermediatery materials has along with how much markup there would be in making the base t2 material (gallentium)?
With my current calculations, there would have to be about a 150% markup from base material to finished gallentium in order for the prices of photon microprocessors to remain the same as current build cost.
Is a 150% figure too high, too low? What do you think? |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
308
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Posted - 2013.05.04 09:51:00 -
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Maybe take some of the current intermediate and advanced materials and see what kind of markup there is over the material costs? Should at least give you an idea. |
Ravenclaw2kk
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.04 12:56:00 -
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Hmm.. I've just done the calculations and it is still kinda difficult to judge.
Fullerides seem to have a markup of around 100% over base costs Crystalline Carbide has a markup of around 500%
I would assume that the new materials will have a base markup around that of fullerides. But, I am not sure if I am missing something. |
Nitrogen Isotopes
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.04 14:38:00 -
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Ravenclaw2kk wrote: I am not sure if I am missing something.
I don't think you're including reaction tower fuel costs. |
Ravenclaw2kk
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
25
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:38:00 -
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Nitrogen Isotopes wrote:Ravenclaw2kk wrote: I am not sure if I am missing something. I don't think you're including reaction tower fuel costs.
I am not. I have never had a reaction pos and so have no idea on cycle times. The costs are just for manufacturing from base materials.
From rough estimates, it seems like the cost of microprocessors before and after the patch will be roughly the same. |
Nitrogen Isotopes
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:52:00 -
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Ravenclaw2kk wrote:Crystalline Carbide has a markup of around 500%
Per cycle (1 hour):
Crystalline Carbonide input, taken from Jita sell orders:
100 units of Crystallite Alloy at 3665 isk per unit 100 units of Carbon Polymers at 1000 isk per unit 40 units of Fuel Blocks circa 15k isk per unit
Cost per hour: 1,066,500 isk
Crystalline Carbonide output, taken from Jita sell orders:
10,000 units of Crystalline Carbonide at 112 isk per unit
Sellable product per hour: 1,120,000 isk
Show me the 500% markup. |
Ravenclaw2kk
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
25
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Posted - 2013.05.05 05:58:00 -
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Not counting fuel, I was doing the calculation as follows:
Per unit of crystalline alloy = 0.5 Cobalt + 0.5 Cadmium = 1,800 isk Per unit of Carbon Polymers = 0.5 hydrocarbons + 0.5 Silicates = 339 isk
Per unit of crystalline carbide = 0.01 unit crystalline alloy = 18 isk + 0.01 unit Carbon Polymers = 3.39 isk
Total = 21.4 isk
Again, this is without considering fuel, as I do not know how to factor that in. |
Rutger Janssen
Xanadu
73
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Posted - 2013.05.06 13:58:00 -
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Hint: You can do a simple and a complex reaction on the same large (caldari) tower. (In this case atleast) Hint 2: A simple reactor provides enough to provide 2 complex reactors. Hint 3: A large tower uses 40 fuel blocks an hour.
Do you know now how to factor fuel in? If not, maybe it's not your type of business. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
601
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Posted - 2013.05.06 15:09:00 -
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Ravenclaw2kk wrote:Nitrogen Isotopes wrote:Ravenclaw2kk wrote: I am not sure if I am missing something. I don't think you're including reaction tower fuel costs. I am not. I have never had a reaction pos and so have no idea on cycle times. The costs are just for manufacturing from base materials. From rough estimates, it seems like the cost of microprocessors before and after the patch will be roughly the same. For your numbers to work you have to account for fuel costs. These materials can only be made through reactions doen at a POS. a large tower can only run one complex reaction. With the right set up you can mine and do simple reactions, do two simple reactions, or a simple and a complex reaction. But you can not do two complex reactions on a single tower.
Rule of thumb for fuel in a large tower is 500M per month.It varies depending on the racial fuel, and the ICE market, but if you do not what to work out the exact cost, 500M generally works.
your reactions are per hour, so 720 hours in a month, if the reactors are kept going 24/7 with no down time.
The main reason there is such a difference, from 100% to 500% is that the materials has a lot to do with batch size and how many units a large tower can output per hour. Fuel blocks have recently been as low as 12,000 per block, but where up to at least 17,000/block last I checked. That is 680,000isk/hr for fuel, or 489M per month. If fuel settles at over 20,000/block large towers will again cost over 500M per month to fuel.
All moon goo reactions are 1 hour cycles, So you will get a single complex reactor cycle per hour worth of output. Compare the value of the inputs plus that fuel cost to the value of the output product. You will find margins much smaller.
You also must consider logistics. Reaction towers are one of the towers pirates like to bash as they often have good loot. You need to be well away from the high traffic systems, or deep inside friendly space to be safe. That requires a Jump Freighter. Last I checked the reactions I checked had about a 50% profit margin not accounting for logistics. (Jump Fuel or risk of loss for the Jump Freighter). |
Sabre Rolf
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.06 15:21:00 -
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pretty hard to say considering nothing has happened yet and most prices your calculating with are handmade. But right now even with 21k isk photon-¦s would be the cheapest racial processor and somehow I cant believe that the processor with the highest demand will stay the cheapest. |
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