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Coda Grimoire
Umbra-Domini R O G U E
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Posted - 2013.05.05 01:33:00 -
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This year's fanfest gave me the answer to last year's debacle.
CCP brought in real space guys who are amazed and interested in a community of 500,000 who love space and would love to be there already.
The space elevator guy said it all: "I met the Mittani. He is confident and charming and probably what was said about the first snake in the first Eden." And then he gave his game name to a goon questioner and said, "I don't know if I trust you, but I'll work with you."
CCP gave him 6,000 60-day accounts for real space freaks actually working on getting out there. "500,000 people who want to be in space? Hell yea! I want to talk to CCP."
As I decided some time ago -- and I sent the tag line in --
Eve is our dress rehearsal for the future, should humanity survive. |
Ckra Trald
Stellar Essence STELLAR CONSTELLATION
159
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Posted - 2013.05.05 01:37:00 -
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eve is a good place to show how humans act without laws
there will be always leaders, murders, merchants, miners and industrialists
always be people who kill, steal and **** people off just because
but in the end everyone has hands around someones throat, even if its indirect ^^ poorly made blunt forum post above ^^ |
Onyx Nyx
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
353
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Posted - 2013.05.05 01:51:00 -
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Coda Grimoire wrote: CCP gave him 6,000 21-day trial accounts
Fixed. And EVE is a game. Deal with it.
I kill kittens, and puppies and bunnies. I maim toddlers and teens and then more. |
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
230
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Posted - 2013.05.05 06:12:00 -
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Part of EVE's appeal is also part of its downside.
People lose track of the fact it is nothing but a game, your whole eve life is nothing more than data on a hard drive on a server.
Yes it's good because of the immersiveness that people get out of the game, and Yes it's bad because people take it far too seriously. |
Harry Forever
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.05.05 07:32:00 -
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Emma Royd wrote:Part of EVE's appeal is also part of its downside.
People lose track of the fact it is nothing but a game, your whole eve life is nothing more than data on a hard drive on a server.
Yes it's good because of the immersiveness that people get out of the game, and Yes it's bad because people take it far too seriously.
you lack some serious imagination what this is all about, it's like you would say the internet is just wires, funny OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
Holgrak Blacksmith
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
83
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Posted - 2013.05.05 07:45:00 -
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Emma Royd wrote:Part of real life's appeal is also part of its downside.
People lose track of the fact it is nothing but a biological soup, your whole life is nothing more than a vibration of strings on a tapestry of space time.
Yes it's good because of the immersiveness that people get out of real life and Yes it's bad because people take it far too seriously.
Fixed that for you.
Eve is the balls. |
Anselm Toralen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.05.05 08:42:00 -
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EVE is real as long as people believe that EVE is real. Deal with it. |
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
231
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Posted - 2013.05.05 17:08:00 -
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I just find it funny how people take it so damn seriously.
Nope you can't come in our corp because you flew with a corp 5 years ago that fought us.
Nope you can't come in our corp because you have mining 1 trained, and we don't want any of that mucky industry business in our 'leet' pvp corp.
OMG our inturnet spaceships won't omgpwnbbq anymore because they've changed something, emo-rage quit.
People bear grudges too much, therefore they take it too seriously.
Who cares if player X fought against you 5 years ago, who cares if he handed your arse back to you on a plate, things change, loyalties change, but grudges grow deeper and deeper every day. Maybe I'm not hardcore enough to grasp that, I dip in and out of eve when the mood takes me. |
Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
63
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Posted - 2013.05.05 17:18:00 -
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Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:Emma Royd wrote:Part of real life's appeal is also part of its downside.
People lose track of the fact it is nothing but a biological soup, your whole life is nothing more than a vibration of strings on a tapestry of space time.
Yes it's good because of the immersiveness that people get out of real life and Yes it's bad because people take it far too seriously. Fixed that for you. Eve is the balls.
Seriously...string theory? Oh dear how I hate string theory... It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
111
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Posted - 2013.05.05 17:20:00 -
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Eve is a social experiment put in place by the CIA and NASA and CCP is just the front guy, deal with it. Oderint Dum Metuant |
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Gweee
Havoc Violence and Chaos The Retirement Club
2
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Posted - 2013.05.05 18:49:00 -
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Aralieus wrote:Eve is a social experiment put in place by the CIA and NASA and CCP is just the front guy, deal with it.
Truth. |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
373
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Posted - 2013.05.05 18:57:00 -
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I like how people pat themself on the back for contributing to a society which desires to make said persons cry at the first chance given.
Personally, I'll will never be impressed by the community, because I know much of the community is downright self-righteous scum.
That said, I know plenty of nice people in EVE and interact with them on a regular basis. However, these people are mostly rare and usually do not partake in things like forums. Save maybe Chribba. He's the only decent person on the forums.
The rest of you are drama hounds. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Tshaowdyne Dvorak
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
58
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Posted - 2013.05.05 19:31:00 -
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Ckra Trald wrote:eve is a good place to show how humans act without laws
there will be always leaders, murders, merchants, miners and industrialists
always be people who kill, steal and **** people off just because
but in the end everyone has hands around someones throat, even if its indirect This is pure nonsense and I don't know why I see it repeated so often. Codes of conduct emerge because people see the need for them to. Do you think a criminal is just sitting around thinking "man, I'd really like to murder that guy, but it's illegal"? Without laws there are still consequences. Kill somebody and his family/friends kill you right back. Eventually that ends up getting codified: kill someone, society puts you on trial to prove that you did it, and does something really nasty to you (up to and including killing you right back). It's exactly the same thing with a lot more bureaucracy thrown in.
In Eve, people kill each other's ships because there aren't any real consequences. At the end of the day, your "dead ship" (now a number changed in a database wherever it is that CCP hosts Eve) is still meaningless to everything going on in the real world. People aren't trained from birth to not game hard and try to win. We're trained from birth not to hurt other people by our parents. We know the difference. I am a villain in Eve and I relish blowing up your crap, but I'm a kind person in life who literally won't kill insects. My most serious crime to society is jaywalking.
I can kill your pixels because they belong in a game designed for both of us to try and kill each other's pixels. Actually killing you involves real violence and real blood. I couldn't do that unless you left me no other option, and you'll find that most people are like that (and a big chunk of them wouldn't be capable of doing violence to someone else even in self defense). Laws aren't needed to keep people from doing those things. Hell, consequences aren't even enough to stop people from murdering one another (they just try harder to keep from being caught).
Eve proves the exact opposite of what you claim. Every one of us knows that we build fake empires of Internet spaceships. Even despite the fact that we're all well aware that this is just a game, we still do what we do in real life. We make friends. Groups of friends make corporations, corporations make alliances, and alliances make coalitions. We establish order without anyone making us do it. We punish villains with violence. If you don't believe that, then attack some of your blues and find out what happens. If there were a game mechanic that enabled people to imprison your character and prevent you from playing, you can bet your ass that people would use it. We build massive networks of trust and, for the most part, those networks actually work. There are scuffles and friendly fire incidents and awoxers, but those events happen far less often in Eve than fleets that form up to cooperate peacefully amongst themselves (but not towards outsiders). That is exactly the kind of emergent order that anarchists claim will occur naturally. We do this to protect our amassed meaningless piles of zeroes and ones in a computer database most of us will never see.
Amusingly, CONCORD and the faction navies are far more effective in high sec punishment than police and military forces are in real life (they show up way more quickly and always know who is in the wrong), and yet they provide exactly the same service: punishment. They do not provide protection from villainy any more than the police can, unless you happen to have the police following you around everywhere to keep you safe (which happens for almost nobody). People skirt that system and routinely commit crimes, just like they do in real life. Other people will shoot those criminals whenever they appear in high sec systems, and they're way more dangerous than CONCORD and the navies are.
Eve mirrors life in a lot of respects, and the fact that so much emergent order has occurred that null sec systems are typically very safe despite the lack of any game police to protect them should lead a reasonable person to conclude that the "anarchy" of Eve Online actually works out pretty damned well for a lot of players. |
Leper ofBacon
HELP GRANDMA SMASH HER LEGS IN
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Posted - 2013.05.05 21:53:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:I like how people pat themself on the back for contributing to a society which desires to make said persons cry at the first chance given.
Personally, I'll will never be impressed by the community, because I know much of the community is downright self-righteous scum.
That said, I know plenty of nice people in EVE and interact with them on a regular basis. However, these people are mostly rare and usually do not partake in things like forums. Save maybe Chribba. He's the only decent person on the forums.
The rest of you are drama hounds.
It is hilarious how you can post this and accuse others of self-righteousness. Also nice brown nosing. |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
389
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Posted - 2013.05.05 22:35:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:I like how people pat themself on the back for contributing to a society which desires to make said persons cry at the first chance given. ...edited for space....
Even Candyland has a winner and a loser. This idea of "games" where players don't actively compete against one another for victory is the abomination. Eve just does what games have done for tens of thousands of years before anyone ever thought of WoW. The weight of strange. RL religeous warning, do not watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Mv2MWv0k0 |
Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
1135
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Posted - 2013.05.05 23:02:00 -
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Ckra Trald wrote:eve is a good place to show how humans act without laws
EVE is not just the absence of laws - it is also absence of good old-fashioned common sense.
Case in point - in EVE there are absolutely zero consequences to your actions. You can slaughter the Amarr by the thousands, becoming the epitome of a mass murderer. Then you run some missions, fork over some ISK for tags, etc., and boom, you're the beloved hero of the Amarr Imperium. So, puh-lease. EVE is a joke as long as there are no consequences to whatever you do. It'll be even worse come Odyssey, where you'll be able to farm/buy tags to fix your security status as well.
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Rhivre
TarNec
115
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Posted - 2013.05.05 23:06:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Ckra Trald wrote:eve is a good place to show how humans act without laws EVE is not just the absence of laws - it is also absence of good old-fashioned common sense. Case in point - in EVE there are absolutely zero consequences to your actions. You can slaughter the Amarr by the thousands, becoming the epitome of a mass murderer. Then you run some missions, fork over some ISK for tags, etc., and boom, you're the beloved hero of the Amarr Imperium. So, puh-lease. EVE is a joke as long as there are no consequences to whatever you do. It'll be even worse come Odyssey, where you'll be able to farm/buy tags to fix your security status as well.
And yet, with its formation of blue blobs, and informal agreements between industrial groups, it largely mirrors the old world....Where we would hop over to france for a bit of a fight, not really achieve anything, then go over for a big party in the off season...
Industrial informal allegiances and deals are made and broken all the time. And, as in real life, those with the biggest megaphones have least to say, and yet appear way more influential than they are *shrugs*
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Jureth22
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
67
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Posted - 2013.05.05 23:10:00 -
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you need to see a doctor |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
180
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Posted - 2013.05.05 23:13:00 -
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EVE can be a strange place. I've seen hated enemies in-game buy each other PLEX when family emergencies spring up. I've also seen RL fistfights over somthing silly as a T1 frig loss (I've worked with EVE players).
I often mention the EVE/RL divide. For those who have a solid definition between the two, EVE can be a great place to explore your inner psyche, and let the "bad guy" come out (we all have one). People who don't have that divide seem, quite frankly, very unstable to me. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
148
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Posted - 2013.05.05 23:19:00 -
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Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:Emma Royd wrote:Part of real life's appeal is also part of its downside.
People lose track of the fact it is nothing but a biological soup, your whole life is nothing more than a vibration of strings on a tapestry of space time.
Yes it's good because of the immersiveness that people get out of real life and Yes it's bad because people take it far too seriously. Fixed that for you. Eve is the balls. Shut him up.
Shut him up!
I have a lot invested in this ride... look at my children, look at my furrows of worry. This isn't real? It's got to be real...
Shut him up...
And we... ...kill those people... |
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1720
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Posted - 2013.05.05 23:19:00 -
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eve is female (explains everything) eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
389
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:04:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Ckra Trald wrote:eve is a good place to show how humans act without laws EVE is not just the absence of laws - it is also absence of good old-fashioned common sense. Case in point - in EVE there are absolutely zero consequences to your actions. You can slaughter the Amarr by the thousands, becoming the epitome of a mass murderer. Then you run some missions, fork over some ISK for tags, etc., and boom, you're the beloved hero of the Amarr Imperium. So, puh-lease. EVE is a joke as long as there are no consequences to whatever you do. It'll be even worse come Odyssey, where you'll be able to farm/buy tags to fix your security status as well.
Kind of like O.J. Sympson or maybe Ted Kennedy in Chappaquiddick. There's consequences in Eve, and just like in RL you have common sense options about how to pay for them. The weight of strange. RL religeous warning, do not watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Mv2MWv0k0 |
Coda Grimoire
Umbra-Domini R O G U E
53
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Posted - 2013.05.07 15:45:00 -
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I was thinking about how many professions use computer simulators to train for RL work.
DUST and EVE will get space elevators. Just that makes me realize that as a community of gamers, we are also people who want to go out into space.
I supposed some people want to go out into space for real to kill other people. dunno.
I'm going with the EvE simulates some stuff people will be going through.
Thanks for the responses. Just checking...LOL |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1735
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Posted - 2013.05.07 15:57:00 -
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Coda Grimoire wrote:
Eve is our dress rehearsal for the future, should humanity survive.
God I hope not. Who wan'ts the police insta-spawing right in front of them every time they light a Spliff? |
Zak Breen
Beagle Expeditions
32
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Posted - 2013.05.07 16:27:00 -
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It's only a game. Sorry, but CCP is just like any other company, and they only want to make money. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
3528
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Posted - 2013.05.07 16:44:00 -
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Coda Grimoire wrote:Eve is our dress rehearsal for the future, should humanity survive the universe being completely filled with fluid.
Fixed. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
611
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Posted - 2013.05.07 16:45:00 -
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Coda Grimoire wrote: Eve is our dress rehearsal for the future, should humanity survive.
Except the whole "can't travel faster than light" issue. Lots of pure fantasy ideas on how FTL travel "may" be possible, but all very quickly run into issues that it would take more energy than our som will produce in its entire existence.
EVE is not a dress rehearsal for anything. It is just a game.
Even if we could get to the moon or Mars, why would we want to? Low gravity will destroy our bodies and send us to an early grave. There aren't really any resources there that justify it. Heck, we haven't even come up with a good commercial use for a manned space station. NASA can't even come up with enough experiments to keep the international space station busy.
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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
818
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Posted - 2013.05.07 16:58:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Coda Grimoire wrote: Eve is our dress rehearsal for the future, should humanity survive.
Except the whole "can't travel faster than light" issue. Lots of pure fantasy ideas on how FTL travel "may" be possible, but all very quickly run into issues that it would take more energy than our som will produce in its entire existence. EVE is not a dress rehearsal for anything. It is just a game. Even if we could get to the moon or Mars, why would we want to? Low gravity will destroy our bodies and send us to an early grave. There aren't really any resources there that justify it. Heck, we haven't even come up with a good commercial use for a manned space station. NASA can't even come up with enough experiments to keep the international space station busy.
Because when the Lizardmen take over planet earth, only the Resistance living in Mars with the help of the Rigellians will be able to fight back against the usurpers of our planet, that-¦s why!
If you don-¦t find that reasonable enough, boy, you must be one of dem lizard supporters! Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1735
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Posted - 2013.05.07 16:59:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Coda Grimoire wrote: Eve is our dress rehearsal for the future, should humanity survive.
Except the whole "can't travel faster than light" issue. Lots of pure fantasy ideas on how FTL travel "may" be possible, but all very quickly run into issues that it would take more energy than our som will produce in its entire existence. EVE is not a dress rehearsal for anything. It is just a game. Even if we could get to the moon or Mars, why would we want to? Low gravity will destroy our bodies and send us to an early grave. There aren't really any resources there that justify it. Heck, we haven't even come up with a good commercial use for a manned space station. NASA can't even come up with enough experiments to keep the international space station busy.
You are just a BOWL of optimism ain't ya......
Look at it this way, if easy and reliable space flight were developed, you could join NASA and never leave, it would be like a real life NPC corp!, you'd love it!
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1735
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Posted - 2013.05.07 17:01:00 -
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Brujo Loco wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:Coda Grimoire wrote: Eve is our dress rehearsal for the future, should humanity survive.
Except the whole "can't travel faster than light" issue. Lots of pure fantasy ideas on how FTL travel "may" be possible, but all very quickly run into issues that it would take more energy than our som will produce in its entire existence. EVE is not a dress rehearsal for anything. It is just a game. Even if we could get to the moon or Mars, why would we want to? Low gravity will destroy our bodies and send us to an early grave. There aren't really any resources there that justify it. Heck, we haven't even come up with a good commercial use for a manned space station. NASA can't even come up with enough experiments to keep the international space station busy. Because when the Lizardmen take over planet earth, only the Resistance living in Mars with the help of the Rigellians will be able to fight back against the usurpers of our planet, that-¦s why! If you don-¦t find that reasonable enough, boy, you must be one of dem lizard supporters!
Worse thing is dem lizards took our jobs! |
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