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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1385
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:10:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Wait, what? I would probaby have to do 15 carrier trips on 2 accounts and several jf runs to move out of my home system. THAT would be a waste of time. And mostly i wait until a wt tries to run an offensive plex, so i get some pvp before i run the timer.
You should just quit FW. You'll be free of all this "nonsense" and won't have to move anything. Afterall, it's obvious you don't get any pvp either.
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
935
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:51:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Yes, it's horrible for Amarrian Vengeance. I really feel sorry for them not being able to get over 700 kills in Sahtogas last month.
If only I could convince my corporation to quit FW so that we could get more kills too. Unfortunately, we have a bunch of carebears who do nothing all day but defensive plex. It's really sad.
I was talking to QCATS yesterday as well. Their kills are wayy down too. I think they should quit FW too. Not enough kills. It's really sad what CCP is forcing Amarrian Vengeance, JUSTK, and QCATS to do all this farming. Our kbs suffer because of it.
Seriously that is so different from what I said I don't even know who you are replying to. Learn to read. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
935
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:52:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Wait, what? I would probaby have to do 15 carrier trips on 2 accounts and several jf runs to move out of my home system. THAT would be a waste of time. And mostly i wait until a wt tries to run an offensive plex, so i get some pvp before i run the timer.
You should just quit FW. You'll be free of all this "nonsense" and won't have to move anything. Afterall, it's obvious you don't get any pvp either.
Why don't you ever look at the killboards of the top vp gainers? They are the ones having the biggest impact of faction war sov. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
582
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:03:00 -
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Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Wait, what? I would probaby have to do 15 carrier trips on 2 accounts and several jf runs to move out of my home system. THAT would be a waste of time. And mostly i wait until a wt tries to run an offensive plex, so i get some pvp before i run the timer.
You should just quit FW. You'll be free of all this "nonsense" and won't have to move anything. Afterall, it's obvious you don't get any pvp either. Why don't you ever look at the killboards of the top vp gainers? They are the ones having the biggest impact of faction war sov.
They dont have any impact on my home, working perfectly. Only pvp effects sov imside my area of influence. If someone cares so much about an area effected by farmers, they can chose to make it their area of influence. Like a sandbox. The system really is awesome, a few tweaks and its optimal.
I warped to a novice plex in okkamon earlier. System was empty. I had 2 fights before completing that single plex. Good stuff. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1385
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:06:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Why don't you ever look at the killboards of the top vp gainers? They are the ones having the biggest impact of faction war sov. They are the determining factor in our current fight in Innia and yet I ignore their contribution. Like wtf is up with that? |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
935
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:27:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:Why don't you ever look at the killboards of the top vp gainers? They are the ones having the biggest impact of faction war sov. They are the determining factor in our current fight in Innia and yet I ignore their contribution. Like wtf is up with that?
The players who earn the most vp per day have the biggest impact on faction war sov for that day. And yet, yes, you do ignore their killboards. Why is that? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1385
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:12:00 -
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Cearain wrote:The players who earn the most vp per day have the biggest impact on faction war sov for that day. And yet, yes, you do ignore their killboards. Why is that? I agree. They have been the turning point in our fight in Innia this past week. Why don't I post their killboard records? Because we're not about pvp Cearain. We're about system control, and those two things are diametrically opposed to each other. The only way we're taking Innia is to run all the plexes and avoid pvp at all costs. |
Garr Earthbender
Justified Chaos
153
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:20:00 -
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Cearain wrote:The op is not talking about pvp. He is talking about fw sovereignty and plexing. I don't see the top killers on that killboard making it as a top vp gainer for the days they get those kills.
My mistake. So those carebears bunker bust too then right? -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine. -Paper |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1385
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:31:00 -
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Garr Earthbender wrote: My mistake. So those carebears bunker bust too then right?
How else are we carebears supposed to get paid that sweet FW LP? PvP is for losers. If I wanted to pvp I'd quit FW and become a low sec pirate. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
935
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Posted - 2013.05.08 00:53:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:The players who earn the most vp per day have the biggest impact on faction war sov for that day. And yet, yes, you do ignore their killboards. Why is that? I agree. They have been the turning point in our fight in Innia this past week. Why don't I post their killboard records? Because we're not about pvp Cearain. We're about system control, and those two things are diametrically opposed to each other. The only way we're taking Innia is to run all the plexes and avoid pvp at all costs.
Why do you keep bringing up a single system out of 100?
You might blob up and take innia or you might leave it so you can do some rvb style pvp. Who cares? Or did some nerd decide Innia is a [serious deep voice] "strategic system"? Whatever, you can get pretty silly with that rp stuff, you make up.
Meanwhile "The other 90%" of the warzone and the tiers that are actually part of the game will be decided by rabbits. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1386
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:05:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Why do you keep bringing up a single system out of 100? You're right again! Why would I bother bringing up the system we are currently targeting? I should bring up a system that is irrelevant to our current operations. |
1st-Garrentious WispBender
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:09:00 -
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Sometimes when I stare too long at a pendulum I fall asleep. It is the similar effect that occurs while I sit in station spinning my ship. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
183
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:13:00 -
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1st-Garrentious WispBender wrote:Sometimes when I stare too long at a pendulum I fall asleep. It is the similar effect that occurs while I sit in station spinning my ship.
Just aslong as you dont have someone whispering in your ear "when you wake up youll become a dog" your golden GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Combatevolved
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors
5
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:29:00 -
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Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:The players who earn the most vp per day have the biggest impact on faction war sov for that day. And yet, yes, you do ignore their killboards. Why is that? I agree. They have been the turning point in our fight in Innia this past week. Why don't I post their killboard records? Because we're not about pvp Cearain. We're about system control, and those two things are diametrically opposed to each other. The only way we're taking Innia is to run all the plexes and avoid pvp at all costs. Why do you keep bringing up a single system out of 100? You might blob up and take innia or you might leave it so you can do some rvb style pvp. Who cares? Or did some nerd decide Innia is a [serious deep voice] "strategic system"? Whatever, you can get pretty silly with that rp stuff, you make up. Meanwhile "The other 90%" of the warzone and the tiers that are actually part of the game will be decided by rabbits.
You mad jelly of our FW battles? |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Vengeance
262
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:46:00 -
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Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Stalking Mantis wrote:Fortress Sahtogas That is all. The Sahtogas crowd doesnt spam militia chat for help and do nothing to defend their system like the Kamela crowd. Nor does it allow plexing in system with 20+ amarr in system either. Take note those who live in kamela. The below video captures the glory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsHwOrmq9A What? You undocked and defended your system (and got tons of fights too)???!!! Bah. Good questions. Evekill and battleclinic says he got 29 kills in april and 15 kills in march. But I am assuming there must be an api issue since he does not appear to have pvped at all most of the those months.
What XG Said in post 24
Also I was away from game three weeks in April.
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Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Vengeance
262
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:55:00 -
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Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Actually, I agree with you Cearain. Amarrian Veangance is doing it all wrong. All these morons do is defensive plex Sahtogas and never get any fights. See their killboard... It's pretty clear that defensive plexing a home system is a waste of time that could otherwise be spent pvping.
And this ladies and gentleman is why Amarr are at tier one and were down to only three systems.
Would We rather just mindlessly roam and kill randomly? Yes
DO We Do It When Our Home is Under Siege? No
Do We start contracting our crap to black from one a system hits 75%? No
Do we do it alone without the help of many a pilot in many an amarrian corp? No
We Set Up Logi Gangs and stand our ground against gangs three times our size and do our best impression of Gandolff.
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David Devant
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
56
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Posted - 2013.05.08 08:49:00 -
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Exciting isn't it? |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
269
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Posted - 2013.05.08 09:47:00 -
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David Devant wrote:Exciting isn't it? It is. So far I had a lot of fun reading this thread |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Vengeance
263
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Posted - 2013.05.08 10:17:00 -
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further proof there is absolutely NO PVP in defending a system.
(Kindly disregard the ALF video....it's a LONG story)
http://www.youtube.com/user/Flyinghotpocket/videos?view=0&flow=grid |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Vengeance
263
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Posted - 2013.05.08 12:36:00 -
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Cearain wrote: It's pretty clear that defensive plexing a home system is a waste of time that could otherwise be spent plexing with my minnie alt.
Fixed that for you.
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
935
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Posted - 2013.05.08 13:31:00 -
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Stalking Mantis wrote:Cearain wrote: It's pretty clear that defensive plexing a home system is a waste of time that could otherwise be spent pvping.
And this ladies and gentleman is why Amarr are at tier one and were down to only three systems. .
Pretty much. For this to change one of 2 things needs to happen:
1) CCP needs to make the sov war a pvp game or 2) Amarr militia needs to fill its ranks with plexing rabbits.
Given Amarr's great history of being pound ofr pound the best pvp militia I hope the second doesn't happen.
"At that time" yes. April and perhaps may will be strong months for you. But players should feel free to look at your killboards and compare the number of kills the top killers are getting with corps that don't waste time with defensive plexing because they base outside faction war. I gave 2 eexamples The imperial Fed and In Exile.
Its pretty clear that month in and month out you will get more pvp if you don't chain yourself down to dplexing whatever damage the rabbits do when you are asleep.
Stalking Mantis wrote: Would We rather just mindlessly roam and kill randomly? Yes
DO we Do It When Our Home is Under Siege? No..
If this is true then you are not doing what you would "rather" do. Other amarr corps do what they would rather do. There is no need to get so butthurt at them for doing what they want in this game. Especially when what they want is to pvp instead of orbit buttons.
Stalking Mantis wrote: 1) Do We start contracting our crap to black frog one a system hits 75%? No
2) Do we do it alone without the help of many a pilot in many an amarrian corp? No
3) Where you there 'strategically planning' with us on how to hold Sahtogas? No
4) We Set Up Logi Gangs and stand our ground against gangs three times our size and do our best impression of Gandolff.
Its all great fun if you are willing to wait the 6 month or whatever cycle for sahtogas to become the hot system. Most pvp corps in amarr aren't interested in that. They want a bit more frequent pvp and less boring pve dplexing obligations in the meantime. No need to get so angry at the amarr for that. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
935
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Posted - 2013.05.08 13:39:00 -
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Stalking Mantis wrote:Cearain wrote: It's pretty clear that defensive plexing a home system is a waste of time that could otherwise be spent plexing with my minnie alt.
Fixed that for you.
I don't plex at all anymore. Nor do I care to. CCPs decision not to implament the mechanics that would make sov an actual pvp game has meant that the lp is all but worthless. I have millions of amarr lp that I don't even want to bother getting the necessary items for and sell. I would have millions more but when amarr had that upswing a few months ago I put it all in ihubs so we could keep the higher tier and hopefully stay there. No such luck, and I quickly got too bored of the whole plexing alt business anyway.
I am glad you are having fun with it. You seem a bit annoyed for someone who is having so much fun though. Making jabs at your fellow milita and all.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
935
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Posted - 2013.05.08 13:40:00 -
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Stalking Mantis wrote:Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Stalking Mantis wrote:Fortress Sahtogas That is all. The Sahtogas crowd doesnt spam militia chat for help and do nothing to defend their system like the Kamela crowd. Nor does it allow plexing in system with 20+ amarr in system either. Take note those who live in kamela. The below video captures the glory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsHwOrmq9A What? You undocked and defended your system (and got tons of fights too)???!!! Bah. Good questions. Evekill and battleclinic says he got 29 kills in april and 15 kills in march. But I am assuming there must be an api issue since he does not appear to have pvped at all most of the those months. What XG Said in post 24 Also I was away from game three weeks in April.
and march? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1390
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Posted - 2013.05.08 13:44:00 -
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Cearain, I can't believe these guys are having success playing FW the way they want to play it (they are obviously lying carebears only interested in making isk). They should play FW the way YOU want them to play it. Everybody will be much happier. And by "they" I mean my corporation. We would be much better off by quitting FW and becoming low sec pirates like you.
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
935
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Posted - 2013.05.08 13:53:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cearain wrote: It's pretty clear that defensive plexing a home system is a waste of time that could otherwise be spent pvping.
Wait, what? I would probaby have to do 15 carrier trips on 2 accounts and several jf runs to move out of my home system. THAT would be a waste of time. And mostly i wait until a wt tries to run an offensive plex, so i get some pvp before i run the timer. How can you be so wrong about everything?
So you made that 900k lp from running defensive plexes that a wartarget already started running? LOL. So what is that about 40 hours a month? I think people who know what defensive plexing a system yoru enemey can not even dock in know how boring that is.
As far as the time spent moving that is correct. Thats why many pvpers move to a system they can't be kicked out of and why the station lockouts were such a pia for amarr.
Gallente have the upper hand now and given the fact that there are economic incentives for players to join the winning side I don't see that changing fast.
But its interesting how much your view changed now that you guys have the upper hand from when you didn't and you were complaining about having to constantly dplex to dock.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
935
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:01:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain, I can't believe these guys are having success playing FW the way they want to play it .
That depends on how you define success. Month in and month out they don't get as much pvp as the corps that base outside of fw space.
And it wasn't me telling them how to play Stalking mantis was the one who started attacking the amarr milita who based out of kamela and the amarr militia generally as to "why amarr are at t1."
I just explained that other players in amarr are more interested in pvp than dplexing the mess minmatar farmers made while they slept.
Like I said, I am glad he is enjoying himself and would never suggest he change how he is playing if he likes it. There is a loss of pvp if you are amarr and you want to base in fw space. Their killboards compared with those who don't base out of fw space proves it. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
935
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:10:00 -
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Garr Earthbender wrote:Cearain wrote:The op is not talking about pvp. He is talking about fw sovereignty and plexing. I don't see the top killers on that killboard making it as a top vp gainer for the days they get those kills. My mistake. So those carebears bunker bust too then right?
You actually made me look to see if you guys are actually busting bunkers. Nope still just holding about 27 systems at over 90% contested. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1390
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:26:00 -
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Cearain wrote:That depends on how you define success. Month in and month out they don't get as much pvp as the corps that base outside of fw space. Exactly! Their definition of fun and success in this sandbox game is different than yours. What's up with that??!! AND they punch above their weight in terms of kills/player.
Like, wtf, man? Don't they know they are never going to compete with corporations 5 to 25 times their size? Don't they know there's much more pvp to be had camping high sec gates for half their kills? bah. idiots.
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Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Vengeance
264
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:29:00 -
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Quote:=Cearain And it wasn't me telling them how to play Stalking mantis was the one who started attacking the amarr milita who based out of kamela and the amarr militia generally as to "why amarr are at t1."
I just explained that other players in amarr are more interested in pvp than dplexing the mess minmatar farmers made while they slept.
dont even try that half ass attempt to cast that 'you are attacking the amarr militia' in a feeble attempt to alienate me. I have a news flash for you Cearain...brace yourself.....the REAL ammar milita know exactly who we are and help us as we them. Another news flash....you really are not and never were a 'mover or shaker' in the amarr milita.
So you need to drop the whole 'we' talk and the claims of how you where 'strategically planning' as if some unseen puppet master pulling strings and masterminding the war effort.
Don't speak on behalf of the amarr please. You are a fair weather fan that did nothing to help the amarr aside from ***** in the forums and move your crap to egg.
As far as your question of 'what about march?'
You REALLY are out of the amarr fw loop aren't you?
Ask around about the Aset campaign. Also ask who made Ushra Khan quit fw and pack up and leave isbrabata.
You left the amarr. you never were part of the 'collective' amarr. STOP TALKING on behalf of the amarr.
Also for the love of all that is holy. Stop derailing EVERY SINGLE FW THREAD WITH YOUR 9 PAGE DEBATES ON WHAT YOU THINK FW SHOULD BE. OR HOW CCP/THE FW PLAYERS SHOULD ACT.
For those that ARE/Where the collective Amarr. We all know who they were, they all know who we are. It's you that I never saw anywhere except turning every FW thread into an unbearable unreadable threadnaught on par with a War and Peace Novel. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1390
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:32:00 -
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Cearain wrote:You actually made me look to see if you guys are actually busting bunkers. Nope still just holding about 27 systems at over 90% contested. Once again you got us. We did bust a bunker in Innia last night. But that was only one of 101 FW systems in Caldari-Gallente space. It just so happened to be in a system that we got 500+ kills in the past four days because it was a system the Caldari lived in.
But yeah, the bunker bust lead to only one kill of a poorly fit rookie ship. Poor use of our time if we were looking at pvp. But we did it because we are carebears who want to get more sweet FW LP.
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