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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1415
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:49:00 -
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LOL I find it hilarious that you (Cearain) say we claim to "defend the status quo" when it's clear that we all agree that updates to the plexing mechanics ought to be implemented.
The bottom line is that no matter what mechanics are in place we'll still be here fighting in the occupancy war and you won't.
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
943
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Posted - 2013.05.15 20:12:00 -
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Larry wrote: Carry on looking at stats.
Moe is the one who suggested I look at the december killboards. So I did, and posted the data I saw. Now you and Curly are arguing that the data means nothing.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1415
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Posted - 2013.05.15 20:41:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Larry wrote: Carry on looking at stats.
Moe is the one who suggested I look at the december killboards. So I did, and posted the data I saw. Now you and Curly are arguing that the data means nothing.
I think the data shows that there were massive numbers of kills before, during, and after December. If you disagree, then post what you think is a decent number of kills for a player or corporation should be for a given month. I think what you'll find is that 1k kills a month is great, and that good FW corporations are getting well above that number.
And what you'll also notice is that the number of kills by QCATS has skyrocketed since the original Inferno came out (May 2012).
Here's the link for QCATS. I'd use my corp, but we were formed after Inferno. |
Feffri
Dark Circle Enforcement Imperial Outlaws.
30
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Posted - 2013.05.15 21:09:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Feffri wrote:who is this cerain guy? He talks a lot about fw but doesn't seem like he's in fw... anyway though dude you should stop talking because I think in every forum i read you are on the wrong side of the argument. justk qcats are pretty stong pvp groups and most people know it you are just making it so that anything you write has no merit and will not be taken seriously. It seems you are pretty new to faction war. You should try to win the sov war a bit, and learn how to do it. Only then make your mind up about whose view you support or don't support. Thats more sensible than just trying to kiss up to players you think are "important" like a teen girl. Yes a few people on this forum play faction war and therefore have a tendency to defend it - even beyond reason. I am one of the very few people who played faction war, gave up on it to get more pvp, yet continue to post data establishing the problems. What I post is pretty well known by anyone who has tried to win sov though. There are plenty of people who share some of my views and think faction war needs work. But generally anyone who posts on these forums suggesting that fw needs work gets shouted down by about 5 forum warriors who appearantly patrol the forums for that reason. You will know their posts by the fact that they never give any actual data to support their claim. They will also just make vague claims like we got "a lot of pvp" when we pushed for sov instead of comparing it to the amount of pvp they got when they weren't pushing sov. And they all absolutely hate it when someone suggests we look at the killboards of the daily top vp gainers. (If you don't know what vp is you should look it up)
Dude I've been in fw for over 2 years most of that spent on the caldari side getting our asses kicked. I have plenty of fun even though we lose more then we won, and with my limited time get plenty engagements and kills. Also I've become space rich.! FW is win win... do we need roll back timers? yes fw is far from perfect but nothing is perfect and fw is a lot better since i started. You post stats like thats the whole story if you believe that in anything then you are a fool.
FW is the best thing in eve because nowhere else allows you to make isk and pvp. Not only pvp but get small gang fight that allow you to pick your ship size and types and look for similar sized ships to engage, via the plexes. It's an awesome system and I think you've been out of fw for too long and have lost touch with fw and should stick to commenting on whatever it is that you do currently. If fw was that important to you you would not of abandoned it.
put on tinfoil hat and carry on
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
943
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Posted - 2013.05.15 21:19:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:Larry wrote: Carry on looking at stats.
Moe is the one who suggested I look at the december killboards. So I did, and posted the data I saw. Now you and Curly are arguing that the data means nothing. I think the data shows that there were massive numbers of kills before, during, and after December. If you disagree, then post what you think is a decent number of kills for a player or corporation should be for a given month. I think what you'll find is that 1k kills a month is great, and that good FW corporations are getting well above that number. And what you'll also notice is that the number of kills by QCATS has skyrocketed since the original Inferno came out (May 2012). Here's the link for QCATS. I'd use my corp, but we were formed after Inferno.
You can't just look at a number in a vacuum. How many pvpers are there? How many hours do they spend playing the game etc.
Thats why the best way to look at the numbers is to take the same group of people and compare them month to month.
Like I said qcats had 80% more kills in the 2 months immediately after the fw sov push ended. Chatgris indicated his impression that the increase in pvp was partly due to the push ending. Other fcs and leaders in fw share the view that focusing on plexing tends to decrease the pvp activity. This is demonstrated in the killboards we have checked so far.
Chatgris also said it was due to large numbers of caldari looking for lp coming into his corps home system after gallente were down to 10 or so non vulnerable sytems. To evaluate that effect we would need to see when that happened and how long it lasted. I really don't recall that happening, but I wasn't that in tune with the number of systems being held. It is worth noting that march was also a very good month for qcats.
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
943
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Posted - 2013.05.15 21:31:00 -
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Feffri wrote:Cearain wrote:Feffri wrote:who is this cerain guy? He talks a lot about fw but doesn't seem like he's in fw... anyway though dude you should stop talking because I think in every forum i read you are on the wrong side of the argument. justk qcats are pretty stong pvp groups and most people know it you are just making it so that anything you write has no merit and will not be taken seriously. It seems you are pretty new to faction war. You should try to win the sov war a bit, and learn how to do it. Only then make your mind up about whose view you support or don't support. Thats more sensible than just trying to kiss up to players you think are "important" like a teen girl. Yes a few people on this forum play faction war and therefore have a tendency to defend it - even beyond reason. I am one of the very few people who played faction war, gave up on it to get more pvp, yet continue to post data establishing the problems. What I post is pretty well known by anyone who has tried to win sov though. There are plenty of people who share some of my views and think faction war needs work. But generally anyone who posts on these forums suggesting that fw needs work gets shouted down by about 5 forum warriors who appearantly patrol the forums for that reason. You will know their posts by the fact that they never give any actual data to support their claim. They will also just make vague claims like we got "a lot of pvp" when we pushed for sov instead of comparing it to the amount of pvp they got when they weren't pushing sov. And they all absolutely hate it when someone suggests we look at the killboards of the daily top vp gainers. (If you don't know what vp is you should look it up) Dude I've been in fw for over 2 years most of that spent on the caldari side getting our asses kicked. I have plenty of fun even though we lose more then we won, and with my limited time get plenty engagements and kills. Also I've become space rich.! FW is win win... do we need roll back timers? yes fw is far from perfect but nothing is perfect and fw is a lot better since i started. You post stats like thats the whole story if you believe that in anything then you are a fool. FW is the best thing in eve because nowhere else allows you to make isk and pvp. Not only pvp but get small gang fight that allow you to pick your ship size and types and look for similar sized ships to engage, via the plexes. It's an awesome system and I think you've been out of fw for too long and have lost touch with fw and should stick to commenting on whatever it is that you do currently. If fw was that important to you you would not of abandoned it. put on tinfoil hat and carry on
Ok I wasn't familiar with some of the fw corps you were with and your killboard made me think you were new.
Yes you can make allot of isk in fw, fw plexes are ship size restricted, and fw is a great part of eve.
These weren't the points I was addressing, but whatever, have a nice day.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1415
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Posted - 2013.05.15 21:57:00 -
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Cearain wrote:You can't just look at a number in a vacuum. LOL. What do you think you do?
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
943
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:02:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:You can't just look at a number in a vacuum. LOL. What do you think you do?
I look at them relative to other months for the same corp. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1415
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:20:00 -
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Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:You can't just look at a number in a vacuum. LOL. What do you think you do? I look at them relative to other months for the same corp. You have no idea or perspective on why the numbers are the way they are. You see numbers and that's it.
You have no idea why when one side goes on the offensive (Nov/December) the number of fights goes down while when another side tries to go on the offensive (Jan/Fed) the fights go up.
You don't think the Caldari were going for our throats after January? Why so many fights then? Same fights for plexes. Same occupancy war. Same everything. What's the difference? |
Super Chair
Amarrian Vengeance
507
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Posted - 2013.05.15 23:48:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:LOL I find it hilarious that you (Cearain) say we claim to "defend the status quo" when it's clear that we all agree that updates to the plexing mechanics ought to be implemented.
The bottom line is that no matter what mechanics are in place we'll still be here fighting in the occupancy war and you won't.
I don't always agree with dirty dreadlocked space hobos...
But when I do they've made a very valid point and won the arguement Project Cerberus is recruiting for the US Timezone, click here |
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
587
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Posted - 2013.05.15 23:49:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:You can't just look at a number in a vacuum. LOL. What do you think you do? I look at them relative to other months for the same corp. You have no idea or perspective on why the numbers are the way they are. You see numbers and that's it. You have no idea why when one side goes on the offensive (Nov/December) the number of fights goes down while when another side tries to go on the offensive (Jan/Fed) the fights go up. You don't think the Caldari were going for our throats after January? Why so many fights then? Same fights for plexes. Same occupancy war. Same everything. What's the difference?
Well in february, if you recall, chatgris notified the forums as to the location of his plexing alts, the size of plex and the ships they were in (as well as their skill points and their division of by category, the fit of the ship and implants being used along with detailed breakdown of ogb characters and the links being used and their effect relative to the boosters SP, along with details of the boosters other SP if related to leadership or not and the boosters implants and location of the booster with a warp-to BM provided he is using a safe spot).
This single event spurred on a storm of PvP since at that point everyone knew where to go to fight chatgris' evasion d-plexers!!!
Before this everyone was just wondering around like ships in the night with no idea how to find PvP.
Theres no other explanation. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
943
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Posted - 2013.05.15 23:59:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:You can't just look at a number in a vacuum. LOL. What do you think you do? I look at them relative to other months for the same corp. You have no idea or perspective on why the numbers are the way they are. You see numbers and that's it. You have no idea why when one side goes on the offensive (Nov/December) the number of fights goes down while when another side tries to go on the offensive (Jan/Fed) the fights go up. You don't think the Caldari were going for our throats after January? Why so many fights then? Same fights for plexes. Same occupancy war. Same everything. What's the difference?
I know how much more pvp I can get by moving on instead of sitting and finishing a plex. And I know that occupancy is not effected if the plex is not finished.
I know how many kills Zarnak is capable of and I know how many kills he got when he decided to run plexes instead. I also see how many kills the people with daily highs of vp get.
I see how many faction war players warp away or cloak everytime I go near their plex.
We have seen behind the curtain - no point in trying to pull the great wizard of oz smoke and mirrors routine.
Sure there will be occassional systems that bring about allot of pvp. But by and large fw sov is decided by rabbit plexing. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
587
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Posted - 2013.05.16 00:11:00 -
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Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:You can't just look at a number in a vacuum. LOL. What do you think you do? I look at them relative to other months for the same corp. You have no idea or perspective on why the numbers are the way they are. You see numbers and that's it. You have no idea why when one side goes on the offensive (Nov/December) the number of fights goes down while when another side tries to go on the offensive (Jan/Fed) the fights go up. You don't think the Caldari were going for our throats after January? Why so many fights then? Same fights for plexes. Same occupancy war. Same everything. What's the difference? I know how much more pvp I can get by moving on instead of sitting and finishing a plex. And I know that occupancy is not effected if the plex is not finished. I know how many kills Zarnak is capable of and I know how many kills he got when he decided to run plexes instead. I also see how many kills the people with daily highs of vp get. I see how many faction war players warp away or cloak everytime I go near their plex. We have seen behind the curtain - no point in trying to pull the great wizard of oz smoke and mirrors routine. Sure there will be occassional systems that bring about allot of pvp. But by and large fw sov is decided by rabbit plexing.
Personally i have a high ratio of plex entry to engagement when im using the maulus. Much lower, nearly zero when i warp a DD in. Something like 70-80% fight back if they have not seen the maulus before. Though once stung they are a little shy.
Perhaps you mistake people deciding to not fight some kestrel for farmers, when in reality they are using the same target selection you did when you decided it was a good idea to warp in? (rhetorical, your favourite type of question to answer).
As for getting more PvP roaming? i can sometimes get 3-4 fights in the same novice plex if i just hang around for the timer. Same again, people see what they think is an easy kill and arrive in droves to claim it. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
943
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Posted - 2013.05.16 01:50:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Personally i have a high ratio of plex entry to engagement when im using the maulus. Much lower, nearly zero when i warp a DD in. Something like 70-80% fight back if they have not seen the maulus before. Though once stung they are a little shy.
Perhaps you mistake people deciding to not fight some kestrel for farmers, when in reality they are using the same target selection you did when you decided it was a good idea to warp in? (rhetorical, your favourite type of question to answer).
As for getting more PvP roaming? i can sometimes get 3-4 fights in the same novice plex if i just hang around for the timer. Same again, people see what they think is an easy kill and arrive in droves to claim it.
Well then its something about joining faction war that makes people really afraid of kestrels.
Because I get fights about 100% of the time if I jump a kestrel into someone who is not in faction war. But if they are in a militia I am lucky to beat 50% who will stay and fight. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1417
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Posted - 2013.05.16 05:24:00 -
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So bottom line is that you have no idea on why there were fewer kills when Gallente made its push than when Caldari made its push later. (And no, neither Zarnak Wolf nor you were involved in either event.) |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
374
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Posted - 2013.05.16 05:53:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:So bottom line is that you have no idea on why there were fewer kills when Gallente made its push than when Caldari made its push later. (And no, neither Zarnak Wolf nor you were involved in either event.)
I'll spoil it and tell Cearain why.
When the Gallente made their big push - We and many other Caldari could see the writing on the wall a few weeks before and denied content.
We even moved from the WZ well before our home was pushed. So a lot of us didn't fight/waste isk/ships fighting the inevitable. So kills went down.
When the Caldari pushed - The Gallente fought back the entire time. So more kills.
If Cearain was in FW and had access to decent intel he would know this.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Colt Blackhawk
The Amarrian Expendables
149
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Posted - 2013.05.16 06:21:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:X Gallentius wrote:So bottom line is that you have no idea on why there were fewer kills when Gallente made its push than when Caldari made its push later. (And no, neither Zarnak Wolf nor you were involved in either event.) I'll spoil it and tell Cearain why. When the Gallente made their big push - We and many other Caldari could see the writing on the wall a few weeks before and denied content. We even moved from the WZ well before our home was pushed. So a lot of us didn't fight/waste isk/ships fighting the inevitable. So kills went down. When the Caldari pushed - The Gallente fought back the entire time. So more kills. If Cearain was in FW and had access to decent intel he would know this.
And THERE we have the difference between amarr militia and caldari militia. Cals: Okay it is inevitable. Srew you guys. We give up and go highsec. Most of us will leave fw :P Amarr: Okay. Last stand. There isn-¦t anything inevitable. Fight to the last ship and last drop of blood. Sahtogas may not fall. Never. We will fight for every damn plex with 4 vs 20.
2 1/2 weeks later amarr kick minnie ass like hell, while even many calmil 100% loyalist corps are coming to amarr mili. There isn-¦t anything inevitable. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
374
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Posted - 2013.05.16 06:56:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:X Gallentius wrote:So bottom line is that you have no idea on why there were fewer kills when Gallente made its push than when Caldari made its push later. (And no, neither Zarnak Wolf nor you were involved in either event.) I'll spoil it and tell Cearain why. When the Gallente made their big push - We and many other Caldari could see the writing on the wall a few weeks before and denied content. We even moved from the WZ well before our home was pushed. So a lot of us didn't fight/waste isk/ships fighting the inevitable. So kills went down. When the Caldari pushed - The Gallente fought back the entire time. So more kills. If Cearain was in FW and had access to decent intel he would know this. And THERE we have the difference between amarr militia and caldari militia.Cals: Okay it is inevitable. Srew you guys. We give up and go highsec. Most of us will leave fw :P Amarr: Okay. Last stand. There isn-¦t anything inevitable. Fight to the last ship and last drop of blood. Sahtogas may not fall. Never. We will fight for every damn plex with 4 vs 20. 2 1/2 weeks later amarr kick minnie ass like hell, while even many calmil 100% loyalist corps are coming to amarr mili. There isn-¦t anything inevitable.
Yeah - We are more chilled. After all - Eve is only a game and I'm not gonna let a game control my time.
It was a choice Dplex all saturday and sunday and still lose my system while I'm asleep or at work during the week. Or understand the pendulum is swinging and go do something else more interesting for a while. Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Fret Thiesant
Reavers of New Blood
11
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Posted - 2013.05.16 10:40:00 -
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I solo a fair amount of the time, fly t1 frigs, and have under 4 mill Sp. I get fights in plexes all the time. |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
278
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:05:00 -
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Fret Thiesant wrote:I solo a fair amount of the time, fly t1 frigs, and have under 4 mill Sp. I get fights in plexes all the time.
Agreed. To those who don't get fights I can just advice you to not fly ships which are well known to be OP. These are for example:
- Daredevil
- Hookbill
- Dramiel
Just take something else and leave your OGB docked at home. |
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1st-Garrentious WispBender
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:14:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Colt Blackhawk wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:X Gallentius wrote:So bottom line is that you have no idea on why there were fewer kills when Gallente made its push than when Caldari made its push later. (And no, neither Zarnak Wolf nor you were involved in either event.) I'll spoil it and tell Cearain why. When the Gallente made their big push - We and many other Caldari could see the writing on the wall a few weeks before and denied content. We even moved from the WZ well before our home was pushed. So a lot of us didn't fight/waste isk/ships fighting the inevitable. So kills went down. When the Caldari pushed - The Gallente fought back the entire time. So more kills. If Cearain was in FW and had access to decent intel he would know this. And THERE we have the difference between amarr militia and caldari militia.Cals: Okay it is inevitable. Srew you guys. We give up and go highsec. Most of us will leave fw :P Amarr: Okay. Last stand. There isn-¦t anything inevitable. Fight to the last ship and last drop of blood. Sahtogas may not fall. Never. We will fight for every damn plex with 4 vs 20. 2 1/2 weeks later amarr kick minnie ass like hell, while even many calmil 100% loyalist corps are coming to amarr mili. There isn-¦t anything inevitable. Yeah - We are more chilled. After all - Eve is only a game and I'm not gonna let a game control my time. It was a choice Dplex all saturday and sunday and still lose my system while I'm asleep or at work during the week. Or understand the pendulum is swinging and go do something else more interesting for a while.
Are you telling me you are working? Thanks for the free intel, time for me and my buddies to come mess up your home. That's right, we're gonna come in and re-arrange your hangar. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1418
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:22:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:I'll spoil it and tell Cearain why. *sigh* I thought this was good for two pages of trolling.
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
944
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:09:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Colt Blackhawk wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:X Gallentius wrote:So bottom line is that you have no idea on why there were fewer kills when Gallente made its push than when Caldari made its push later. (And no, neither Zarnak Wolf nor you were involved in either event.) I'll spoil it and tell Cearain why. When the Gallente made their big push - We and many other Caldari could see the writing on the wall a few weeks before and denied content. We even moved from the WZ well before our home was pushed. So a lot of us didn't fight/waste isk/ships fighting the inevitable. So kills went down. When the Caldari pushed - The Gallente fought back the entire time. So more kills. If Cearain was in FW and had access to decent intel he would know this. And THERE we have the difference between amarr militia and caldari militia.Cals: Okay it is inevitable. Srew you guys. We give up and go highsec. Most of us will leave fw :P Amarr: Okay. Last stand. There isn-¦t anything inevitable. Fight to the last ship and last drop of blood. Sahtogas may not fall. Never. We will fight for every damn plex with 4 vs 20. 2 1/2 weeks later amarr kick minnie ass like hell, while even many calmil 100% loyalist corps are coming to amarr mili. There isn-¦t anything inevitable. Yeah - We are more chilled. After all - Eve is only a game and I'm not gonna let a game control my time. It was a choice Dplex all saturday and sunday and still lose my system while I'm asleep or at work during the week. Or understand the pendulum is swinging and go do something else more interesting for a while.
Your story doesn't make sense. (not to say its not true but if it is true that pretty illogical) So dplexing is boring even when there is a full blown push by your enemy to take all systems? I thought this was the time to get all sorts of exciting pvp?
You can't have it both ways that defensive plexing is boring non pvp for you but somehow it is exciting pvp for gallente. They had to keep hold of all the systems they had during their push to take all the systems and that would require allot of defensive plexing. That is at least part of the reason why thier pvp was down.
But Look at what amarr did. Not only did they get very excited about pvp in sahtogas (one player said he moved 40 billion in ships into the system!) but they also sent a contingent to capture a system several jumps away. Unfortunately the Minmatar (and gallente?) weren't interested in pvp and let the opportunity pass. (They let it pass 3 times in the last year)
There are 101 systems. You guys couldn't have put some resources into taking/deplexing even a few systems and got a ton of fights? Yet you had the resources to make a push immediately after? If anything this demonstrates how little caldari care about the sov war.
From the perspective of someone who wants to pvp these actions from caldari and minmatar do not make sense. It does add up from the perspective of someone who wants to farm.
Caldari: Let them get their medal and then they will stop pvping to hold the plexes in 90% of the systems and we can farm.
Minmatar: let them start taking systems again instead of crushing their morale so we have more fields to farm.
XG and I may disagree on allot, but I do agree with him that the current mechanics can bring about occassional times (2-3 a year per war zone) where there can be allot of excellent plex pvp in a small number of systems. Caldari and minmatar's actions suggest they have no interest in that. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
188
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:18:00 -
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cearain wrote:There are 101 systems. You guys couldn't have put some resources into taking/deplexing even a few systems and got a ton of fights? Yet you had the resources to make a push immediately after?
Again your showing how ignorent to our warzone you are the immediate pushback was by Evoke fresh outa null and needing to make fast isk. And then they were bkd up by the caldari corps that had given up during our push, they saw this as evoke giving them a glimmer of hope..... GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
944
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:19:00 -
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Meditril wrote:Fret Thiesant wrote:I solo a fair amount of the time, fly t1 frigs, and have under 4 mill Sp. I get fights in plexes all the time. Agreed. To those who don't get fights I can just advice you to not fly ships which are well known to be OP. These are for example:
- Daredevil
- Hookbill
- Dramiel
Just take something else and leave your OGB docked at home.
This is good advice. Except the OGB. Its not unusual for me to see more t3 ships on dscan in busy fw system than combat ships. Only sometimes will you even know who is getting what boosts. So you either don't fight in these systems at all (whcih means you will get allot less pvp) or you just fight anyway.
This is just another reason not to take anything larger or more expensive than a af out. Between off grid boosts making kiting frigates impossible to catch (assuming you can even lock them) and the prevelance of gate camps your are just throwing isk away. With smaller cheaper ships its fine to throw a few away when you get caught by camps or boosted ship.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:cearain wrote:There are 101 systems. You guys couldn't have put some resources into taking/deplexing even a few systems and got a ton of fights? Yet you had the resources to make a push immediately after?
Again your showing how ignorent to our warzone you are the immediate pushback was by Evoke fresh outa null and needing to make fast isk. And then they were bkd up by the caldari corps that had given up during our push, they saw this as evoke giving them a glimmer of hope.
Fair enough that is a good point. I think the rest of my post remains valid.
Again a contemporaneous posts and comments about this, indicating gallente were burned out of plexing in January and February. Yet it seems they were certainly up for pvp.
http://www.ninveah.com/2013/02/why-sudden-shifts-in-faction-warfare.html
BTW: When you call someone ignorant, you will have more credibility if you spell the word correctly. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:51:00 -
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See theres the difference you read blogs for your "facts" on warzone and there never biased or skewed at all are they hahaha? This was pointed out to you when you linked pinkys blog before and was told the content was twisted by pinky himself Where as we dont need to read biased/propoganda reports to know what going on were actually in that warzone so we know whats going on..
Iv said this a thousand times before to you cerain try the other warzone and then you might actually see how different the WZs are.
Jumping on a spelling mistake really is that what you have to stoop to now cearain? GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:53:00 -
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Cearain wrote:ALUCARD 1208 wrote:cearain wrote:There are 101 systems. You guys couldn't have put some resources into taking/deplexing even a few systems and got a ton of fights? Yet you had the resources to make a push immediately after?
Again your showing how ignorent to our warzone you are the immediate pushback was by Evoke fresh outa null and needing to make fast isk. And then they were bkd up by the caldari corps that had given up during our push, they saw this as evoke giving them a glimmer of hope. Fair enough that is a good point. I think the rest of my post remains valid. Again a contemporaneous posts and comments about this, indicating gallente were burned out of plexing in January and February. Yet it seems they were certainly up for pvp. http://www.ninveah.com/2013/02/why-sudden-shifts-in-faction-warfare.htmlBTW: When you call someone ignorant, you will have more credibility if you spell the word correctly.
Because some elses spelling makes you less ignorant?
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:54:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote: Lets look at the iraqi information ministers contemporaneous reports.
Ok so this line nearly finished me off i choked on my dinner while laughing ;)
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:15:00 -
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It has nothing to do with farming, but how one side defines "winning"
From the perspective of players who want to win, the actions of the Caldari in Nov/Dec makes perfect sense. If you think you can't win, you're not going to try. Better save resources and spend time doing something else.
They had their plan. Gallente were too strong and it was better to try to let Gallente burn out and then counter attack rather than fight. I heard the same thing from Gallente leadership when the Caldari took all of the Gallente systems the first time around. It's not a unique strategy for one side. (And in the end it didn't work in either case)
Caldari then got lucky with Ev0ke joining FW to get their numbers up. Pew was had by all because both sides thought they could win. In some cases it was "hopeless" for Gallente and core systems like Heydieles fell pretty easily. Gallente decided which systems were valuable to them (not which systems the FW scoreboard decides is valuable) and defended them tooth and nail - probably because we thought we had a chance at winning. Massive amounts of pew.
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