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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
146
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:11:00 -
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Obviously it can do a lot of things with that many bonuses, but most of them are just redundant. So what's left to make this ship useful? What can it do that you can't do with standard ships? For example:
As an armor tanking blaster ship the Gnosis is completely redundant. The Brutix is faster, has more dps, tanks better, and is cheap and available in unlimited numbers. The only advantage the Gnosis has is a spare mid or two for ewar. Is it worth it? Probably not. Even though the Gnosis has the option to use this kind of setup it doesn't offer enough to justify using an expensive unique ship.
As a shield tanking blaster ship the Gnosis is decent. It's more agile than the Ferox and has more dps (though mostly because of the drones), and is obviously better than the mediocre-at-best Eagle. On the other hand the margin of superiority isn't that much better, and it would be hard to justify the price.
As a laser ship it's what the Harbinger wishes it could be. The Gnosis has the same lows, but the mid slots to finally fit MWD/cap booster/tackle and still have slots left over. And with the drones compensating for the lost turret dps the overall firepower is better. Cost is the only real drawback here.
So, what makes the Gnosis unique? Which setups fit into the second and third categories and have potential, and which are in the first-category garbage pile? Note that I'm NOT necessarily talking about which is the most powerful, you can argue that lasers are weak overall and there's no need for a laser ship, but it's still a viable answer to this question. |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
137
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:32:00 -
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I don't think it can compete with the harby in terms of DPS, sure paper dps might be higher with 5 mediums but........
5 mediums. |
Drew Solaert
Wildcard Inc.
264
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:36:00 -
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It's got a pretty clear role bonus. Exploration.
Also expecting a free ship to be miles better than the standard BC's is a bit far fetched. TBH it's nice that it's usable.
One thing that it does have going for it that other BC's don't have is the cargohold. All the Navy Cap 800's you could possibly need. Align time is pretty damn decent, if the ship itself is slow and the scan rez is pretty hot.
Shield tanked it pulls out some good numbers all things considered DPS wise, damage mods of choice with a couple of drone stabs and it packs a fair punch, and offers good flexibility. I lied :o
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Alexa Coates
Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC
515
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:44:00 -
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Well, for starters, It's a TRUE multipurpose ship for EVERYONE. No matter your skills, you can fit this thing anyway you want.
Blasters and shield? Missiles and armor? Lasers and Hull?
That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers. |
Nalha Saldana
Sickology
715
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:14:00 -
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Strengths -Many possibilities, enemies dont know what to expect -Good buffer tank, you can fit over 70k EHP shield or armor tank with many spare low or mid -Its low mass is awesome, with a 4.2s align time its definitely the most agile BC
Weaknesses -Bad cap recharge rate, makes lasers and neuts hard to maintain without cap boosters -Bad shield recharge rate, together with lackluster cap this makes it a horrible pve ship, expect many noobs to lose theirs soon -Speed, its base speed is goddamn awful but its low mass makes it come up to Drake speed with MWD fits |
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
146
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:25:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:No matter your skills, you can fit this thing anyway you want.
Of course, but what I'm asking is what creative setups can you do with it that you can't do with any other ship? Flexibility is nice, but so far I'm not seeing much "creativity" that doesn't end up being a mediocre copy of some other cheaper ship. So how do you make the most of your unique opportunity? |
Charlie Jacobson
85
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:32:00 -
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Merin Ryskin wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:No matter your skills, you can fit this thing anyway you want. Of course, but what I'm asking is what creative setups can you do with it that you can't do with any other ship? Flexibility is nice, but so far I'm not seeing much "creativity" that doesn't end up being a mediocre copy of some other cheaper ship. So how do you make the most of your unique opportunity?
Most cheaper ships don't have the scan probe bonus, so the Gnosis shines at exploration for a lower price than a Tech3 cruiser (for now). |
Stonkeep
Osmanli Empire
20
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:33:00 -
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You can fit it however you want it thanks to 6/6/6 and ship bonuses. Very versatile and seems more suited for exploration(low sec aswell).
However speed is awful. Base speed is same as BS thus its usage is very limited, especially in pvp. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
621
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:43:00 -
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Gate camping, armor-tanked, HAM boat. Use the lows for tank and a ballistic control. Use the mids for sensor boosts, 2 web, a scram, and an med. You'll want a few of these circling the gate with some long point interceptors to catch smaller items. Add in a guardian chain for reps and you could have an interesting missile based, armor tanked fleet.
Why armor based missiles... So all the drake pilots can finally join an armor fleet. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
880
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:48:00 -
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It's the ultimate jack of all trades ship. Assuming you're willing to risk flying it, you can basically have it set up anyway you want for whatever you want.
I really wish more of these would be available, it's such a useful ship yet it doesn't seem overpowering. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Atrocitas
3406
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:58:00 -
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Kill PL Redeemers... https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard
-Liang
Ed: Wait, I removed the actual kill link. But, go peruse the latest kills. ;-) Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
60
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Posted - 2013.05.07 02:06:00 -
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The majority of the Gnosis's damage potential is in its drones--it isn't really a "jack of all trades" since you have to get a good portion of the damage output from the drones. So with the drones as the primary weapon system: - Pick a secondary weapon system. - Pick a tanking type, as long as you don't pick passive shield--that won't work well.
So if you want a baby rattlesnake--drones/missiles/shield tank--there you go.
If you want to do something that isn't available elsewhere--drones/lasers/shield tank--there you go.
If you try to do something that's already done by other ships (drones/hybrids/armor tank, for example), you'll just be disappointed. |
Cal Stantson
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
36
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Posted - 2013.05.07 05:43:00 -
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It's very slightly superior to the Myrm if you want to fit a heavy armor tank and lots of ewar. Debatable if it's worth an extra slot for 3x the price though. |
Josilin du Guesclin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.05.07 05:47:00 -
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Merin Ryskin wrote: As a laser ship it's what the Harbinger wishes it could be. The Gnosis has the same lows, but the mid slots to finally fit MWD/cap booster/tackle and still have slots left over. And with the drones compensating for the lost turret dps the overall firepower is better. Cost is the only real drawback here.
So, what makes the Gnosis unique? Which setups fit into the second and third categories and have potential, and which are in the first-category garbage pile? Note that I'm NOT necessarily talking about which is the most powerful, you can argue that lasers are weak overall and there's no need for a laser ship, but it's still a viable answer to this question.
Well, it does a pretty good job of shield + laser.
The big thing is to fit low CPU weapons with a shield tank, or low PG weapons with an armour tank. This allows combinations that few other ships have. Also, the balanced slot layout allows nice utility, etc.
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Ashala Arcsylver
Gypsy Rose Mining
0
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Posted - 2013.05.07 06:29:00 -
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It can also double as a field command ship without needing the command ship skill. Would make a decent booster for mining ops defense to augment an orca's boosts as well as providing pretty decent drone and missile coverage. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
2395
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Posted - 2013.05.07 06:34:00 -
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Super tanked bait.
Because who can really resist such a bait ship? Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Garresh
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
168
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Posted - 2013.05.07 07:41:00 -
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At risk of sounding like a complete moron(I always do ) I'm going to say this thing has a shitton of potential as a dual prop TD fit ship. It's not particularly fast, but it's agility is just absurd. I'm looking at a fitting right now with an align time of 2.9 seconds... What in the actual boop? I'll be honest, I'm usually flying frigs so my knowledge here is a bit lackluster, but we're looking at a battlecruiser with the agility of a destroyer, and if utilized properly it actually can become more agile than a dessie.
I don't know if I want to risk taking one out, but seriously, there has to be some fittings which can abuse that agility. I've never seen anything like this. This Space Intentionally Left Blank |
Froggy Storm
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
31
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Posted - 2013.05.07 07:55:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Super tanked bait.
Because who can really resist such a bait ship?
I was thinking of just this. Tank the bejeezus out of it put probe cyno and some Artie on it to look like its out hunting for exploration sites.
I know it is common enough for lowsec dwellers to keep tags on the signatures so they can gank. Well this becomes a much harder to tell bait boat. And training cyno alts to it would be pretty quick. |
StrCmdMan Severasse
Fog Logistics Mad Citizens
0
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:47:00 -
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Call me crazy but with all that cargo space it's almost like a mini golem just with the bonuses to drones over cruise / torp and no shield boost / painters this ship could make an excellent support/salvage ship for an alt that typically has less SP with non maxed out skills. Strap on a MWD salvagers a respectable tank some medium drones and salvage drones and your looking at a ship that can salvage tank and even offer DPS to LV4's potentially higher as long as its flown in conjunction with a flag ship (you could also fit it with scanning probes if needed for what your doing, a drone link augmenter would be nessicary for salvaging and dps, and i would probably active tank this no reason you couldn't fit some guns).
Would be a hassle to fly but at times the Noctis can be to. Depending on the numbers and loss of tractor range with the extra dps it could be on par profitability wise or even exceed the Noctis due to faster missions more rewards and you don't miss out on any of the salvage just some of the loot due to the loss of tractors but with the MWD you can still loot high value wrecks. It would be a combat variant to the Noctis with less skill requirements.
I guess even in the end this isn't truly unique but if it works as a salvager, tank, dps support boat and it's successful at all 3 then it kinda is |
Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
329
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:26:00 -
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Hah, I think it's cool CCP gave us a ship where there's a lot to talk about for once :)
I personally just enjoy looking at it, haha. The bonuses it offers make it a great gift for everybody and it doesn't seem to be overly lacking in any areas other than speed.
One question I do have though, are the omni resistances harming it more than helping? Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Serving highsec, lowsec and nullsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX |
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Atrocitas
3410
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:29:00 -
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Yeah, the speed on it is just kinda sad. Kinda wish it was a bit faster. :)
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1300
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:14:00 -
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So rather than wasting bandwidth, why not just contract yours up and move along? I'll take yours off your hands for 10 mil. I'll await the contract arrival so you can play with a clear conscience. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1300
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:16:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:Well, for starters, It's a TRUE multipurpose ship for EVERYONE. No matter your skills, you can fit this thing anyway you want.
Blasters and shield? Missiles and armor? Lasers and Hull?
This. I don't see why so many people are behaving like whiney little b!tches over this free, multi-purpose ship. Ungrateful bastages... "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Alexa Coates
Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC
534
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:51:00 -
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I've been having a buttload of fun with my gnosii, fitting them the way i said earlier. It's awesome to see people panic when they realize i accidentally the pvp mold. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers. |
Alexa Coates
Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC
534
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:53:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:I've been having a buttload of fun with my gnosii, fitting them the way i said earlier. It's awesome to see people panic when they realize i accidentally the pvp mold. I think my favorite thing to do is fit it with blasters+armor, leaving all the mids open for tackle. a LOT of tackle. I put 2 webs, a scram, and a disrupter on it, with 2 slots left over. Those are filled with a mwd and a tc. 530 dps, 12k armor hp with 65% resists across the board, with such an insane tackle is absolutely amazing. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers. |
loki energon
Voodoo Children Workers Trade Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:04:00 -
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i got 550 dps with one of each weapon type, lazor, blastor, missile, and autocannon, and hob IIs. lol and a decent ASB shield boost set up to boot.
i DUAL TANKED it, and as funny as it seemed, i believe it would be great in pvp, the never-ending tank.
this will undoubtedly go down in EVE history as the most versitile sub cap ship kill em all. |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
143
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Posted - 2013.05.08 04:08:00 -
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loki energon wrote:i got 550 dps with one of each weapon type, lazor, blastor, missile, and autocannon, and hob IIs. lol and a decent ASB shield boost set up to boot.
i DUAL TANKED it, and as funny as it seemed, i believe it would be great in pvp, the never-ending tank.
this will undoubtedly go down in EVE history as the most versitile sub cap ship
What it does that no other ship can?
Breed a whole new species of failfits.
dual tanking, honestly. |
Yami Badasaz
OBC The Kadeshi
4
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Posted - 2013.05.08 04:37:00 -
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I like the idea would never undock in it though. Wish it had more Dronebay however.
I'm still waiting for CCP to make Jove a playable race. |
Auduin Samson
Do not disturb Sanctuary Pact
42
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Posted - 2013.05.08 15:52:00 -
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It's primary advantage is that you can fit a laser, a projectile gun, a hybrid, a missile launcher, and a drone mod, and nobody will shun you for fitting unbonused weapons. |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
145
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Posted - 2013.05.08 18:53:00 -
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Auduin Samson wrote:It's primary advantage is that you can fit a laser, a projectile gun, a hybrid, a missile launcher, and a drone mod, and nobody will shun you for fitting unbonused weapons.
I will most certainly shun you if you fit all of that on the same ship |
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